I mean, I voted for her, and would vote for her again any day if it meant voting against Trump, but he’s not wrong.
She’s not really unique in that aspect compared to any other mainstream Democrat vs any outsider or mainstream Republican, and that’s probably ~90% of the DNC’s problem when it comes to overcoming voter apathy.
Realistically, most people are not expecting Dems to refuse large donations, but accepting a donation should not mean that you then compromise your own values to accommodate 1% of voters on any issue. That’s not how a democracy is supposed to work. That’s just pay to play.
Its so stupid to me that we’ve now reached the point that politicians don’t even pretend to be public servants anymore. They’re just paypigs doing whatever the money wants. Used to be, a campaign donation got you a “hi how are ya” and maybe a thank you card after the election. They sent you money and it was nice of them because you needed it.
Now with kamala, she got the largest grassroots fundraising of any candidate in history and what does she do? Listen to a bunch of rich fucks who gave the maximum contribution. I bet they all voted for Trump too. She’s either the most incompetent and gullible politician in american history or the dnc are fascist collaborators. The way she turned away from every popular idea she had makes it seem like she was told to lose. Im sure its been fucking great for her brother tho.
The big money on both sides is invested in the same places.
The rest follows from that.
The Dems though paint this like it’s a “necessary evil” they just have to accept all these donations from the ultra wealthy because you can’t win any other way
So the position starts off cynically pragmatic, and cynical pragmatism makes for a shitty rallying cry.
But then it doesn’t even work. They sell out to get the big money donations and then lose.
Ineffective cynical pragmatism is an even worse rallying cry.
And any time you get a Sanders or a Mamdani that shows a different path to success they go “oh sure that worked for them but it wouldn’t work anywhere else, only our cynical pragmatism works everywhere as long as you ignore all these donations from electoral defeats”
The Dems though paint this like it’s a “necessary evil” they just have to accept all these donations from the ultra wealthy because you can’t win any other way
So the position starts off cynically pragmatic, and cynical pragmatism makes for a shitty rallying cry.
But then it doesn’t even work. They sell out to get the big money donations and then lose.
Ineffective cynical pragmatism is an even worse rallying cry.
And any time you get a Sanders or a Mamdani that shows a different path to success they go “oh sure that worked for them but it wouldn’t work anywhere else, only our cynical pragmatism works everywhere as long as you ignore all these electoral defeats”
don’t forgot all the aipac bribes she took to look the over way as children were slaughtered.
You and your single issue /s
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This but no /s. “You and your single issue” was a contributing factor in getting everything worse, including the single issue you think you care about.
It’s a godamn genocide there is no bigger crime against humanity then a genocide. It’s completely worth it
in getting everything worse, including the single issue you think you care about.
People who voted for harris and trump are the only one to blame. Dems also share the responsibility for being bad at everyehing allowing trump to fool people and vote for him
Ah yes, committing extra genocide will fix it!
Flawless logic buddy.
You keep supporting the same terrible two parties that support genocide so fon’t blame other for your complicity
You helped the worst of them be elected thus making genocide worse.
I didn’t , you americans who voted for the same two terrible parties are. You americans been fine with the terrible system for 160 goddamn year
Keep on blaming the voters, it’s been working wonderfully so far.
By the way: I’ve never been to the USA but I’d already made up my mind about never going long before Trump’s victory in 2016.
It’s always amazing to me how people will blame those that couldn’t stomach voting for a pro-genocide candidate, instead of blaming the candidate for being pro-genocide.
Well… duh
“too many billionaires telling her not to speak up for the working class of this country.”
Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and all the other corporate Democrats are far from billionaires. That was her pressure group.
Pelosi is the wealthiest of the three due to her stock trading husband, just over $100 million, but still a far cry from a billion.
That wasn’t where the pressure was coming from:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/
Daamn. Also, did you know, Hilary Clinton was using private email server, and sometimes she used it to talk to her official stuff. I bet that’s also very important.
Bernie is pointing out one of the major flaws of the Democratic Party and he is way ahead of his time in regard to US politics. Can you imagine if the USA would look at itself like Norway.
An oil producing enthostate governed by a neoliberal plutocracy?
I think we already tried that under Bush, Obama, and Biden.
and he’s a zionist shill that doesn’t really have a position to stand on either. calling him progressive when he’s a liberal zionist is absolutely batshit.
Bernie, Jon Stewart and some other Jewish people condemned what’s going on in Palestine and does not support killing kids. Can you back your story? Maybe there’s something I don’t know. Now most normal people of empathy does not support what Hamas did to innocent Jews, same as the zionist are doing to innocent Palestinians and West Bank on a greater scale as an excuse to sieze more land.
Starting on February 21st, 2025, he set off on the “Fighting Olligarchy Tour” with the other pathetic liberal zionist where he stated that Isntreal has a right to exist. He received criticism and yet still removed and silenced Pro-Palestinian protestors from his rallies. His exact statement from the rally:
“Israel, like any other country, has the right to defend itself from terrorism, but it does not have the right to wage all out war against the Palestinian people”
The only terrorists are the settlers occupying that land and for him to allude to Hamas being a terrorist organization is just more proof of his ignorance. An indigenous resistance group is NOT a terrorist when they’re trying to liberate themselves from the terrorist settlers that are trying to genocide them.
Not only does he actively defend Isntreal’s right to exist but he has also been called out for his voting record. Especially his vote to confirm Marco Rubio. As an indigenous person, that settler is nothing more than another pale face devil that pretends to act like some white savior when in fact the language he uses is actively causing harm to society.
If Israel doesn’t have a right to exist what is the alternative in your opinion?
Eradicate its existence and give sovereignty back to the indigenous people of Palestine.
So, genocide.
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It’s nice to know the mods here think that states that do genocide deserve to exist.
just because you kkkrackers love to genocide people doesn’t mean we do. stop projecting your fantasies onto others.
Using a racial slur while saying that is highly ironic
Revoke statehood until both are recognized? Or a one-state, but that’s a stretch.
Bernie Sanders has literally said that Isntreal has a right to exist and defends its status as a state. No state has the right to exist. That pale face poser actively shuts down pro-Palestinian voices at his rallies and talks, ignores the criticism on how he speaks about the genocide, all while protecting his precious Isntreal.
Bernie supports sending interceptors to Israel and get out of here comparing the Nazis to their resisting victims.
Yeah, thanks for the heads up Captain Obvious, now fuck off, sheepherder.
I wonder if the French were busy infighting when Hitler showed up
The Germans certainly were
Bērnard Sandeaux: Le Maginot line will not hold! We need a better strategy!
You: Good job helping the Germans, traitor
It’s not just Harris, it’s the whole Democratic Party leadership DNC…
But he was too. Not too long ago he was pro Israel because of his sponsors.
No for bernie it’s ideological
Does this mean Bernie was also influenced when he backed her or is that different?
Did you expect him to back Trump???
Not really, but also expectations seem unrelated
Yup. Bernie is the lightning rod meant to embrace, extend and extinguish any leftist movement.
Bernie is correct as per usual.
If only being correct has value with society at large…
Maybe he should start a podcast. Seemed to have worked for the right.
That’s funny, he also endorsed her candidacy.
Huh, it’s almost as if he understands compromise/tactics/political game theory instead of being a hopeless idealogue. Imagine that.
Yeah, IMAGINE THAT, 10 million people who voted for Biden and not Harris.
Yup, it’s not so much the compromise as it is which compromises. Compromising international rule of law by turning a blind eye to Israeli occupation and settlement is a different matter than compromising a hardline universal healthcare stance.
It was that or trump lmao.
A bunch of his supporters seem to have wanted Trump then.
The fuck else were his options?
He could have said “I’m not endorsing her, until she gives us <insert any number of highly-popular policies that the Dems keep fighting to keep away from their voters>”.
What would that have accomplished other than playing into him being controlled opposition?
It’s political leverage. A lot of voters will follow Sanders’ lead. The threat of a lot of people not voting for Harris would have pulled her to the left, and made her give consessions. Instead, he signaled to the rest of the Democrats that he will vote for them, no matter how terrible they are.
I want him to be oppositional. I’m against the Democrats as long as they keep being the “lesser evil”.
Then you’re enabling the greater evil.
Pretending to fight the greater evil, but then immediately caputulating and building out the tools that they use to be evil is enabling the greater evil. Calling the lesser evil out for pretending is not enabling the greater evil.
Can’t help but to see this view as naively idealistic.
I don’t know, let’s ask all his idiot fanboys that refused to vote.
No, I’m asking you. What do you feel were his other options?
Of course not. I voted for Harris without the slightest hesitation.
Bernie was trying to win an election. That means attacking your opponent. Including exaggerations and using buzzwords like “billionaire”. It happens every time in primaries, Republican and Democrat.
You didn’t answer the question.
Says the guy who loves watching politicians sucking corporate cock
If Bernie didn’t do that it would have been a guarantee that Trump won. The DNC wasn’t going to run anyone else so that was the only thing he could do. I’m not saying I’d do it myself, personally, but I understand the position he found himself in.
As usual, nuance/context is a thing.
. The DNC wasn’t going to run anyone else
The “DNC” doesn’t run anyone, they support the Democratic candidate once chosen.
I respect Bernie. It’s his right to run. When he’s lost, he’s always accepted it and endorsed the Democrat. He never claimed he was cheated or that the elections were rigged. He has integrity and understand that gradual improvement is better than straight regression.
Wish I could say the same for a chunk of his supporters though.
The “DNC” doesn’t run anyone, they support the Democratic candidate once chosen.
You mean the same DNC that argued in court that they can support whatever candidate they want, despite what the voters say?
Brother trump did win and bernie is a dnc stooge
Nuance and context are completely absent
Yea, reading comprehension is hard, eh?
“guarantee that Trump won”
Words mean things. It was not guaranteed that Trump was going to win when he endorsed Harris.
I think he’s talking about 2016
Considering Bernie was more popular than Clinton, it was more likely Trump would win after he quit
Bernie’s not a stooge. He wanted the better side to win, even if it wasn’t him at the helm.
Reminds me of the people saying that if he didn’t let the DNC rig the primary against him in 2016 then Trump would have won.
Good thing that decision resulted in Trump not winning, right?
Trump beating Clinton doesn’t mean Sanders would have won. What a baseless argument.
And nothing was “rigged”. Stop being blue MAGA.
And nothing was “rigged”. Stop being blue MAGA.
If you haven’t learned about this yet then now is the time
No, but his polling that was better than Clinton in red state supports the belief that he would have won.
Also, it was rigged, Bernie sued the DNC arguing that it was. The DNC pretty much admitted it as their defence:
“…the DNC and Wasserman Schultz have characterized the DNC charter’s promise of ‘impartiality and evenhandedness’ as a mere political promise—political rhetoric that is not enforceable in federal courts.”
Yeah no shit
