Welcome to China.
Facebook is a privately owned company that is responsible for their own actions.
My wife is very progressive and believes in human rights. Her Facebook feed went conservative about a week ago now with constant right wing propaganda.
Big tech has gone full fascist for a bit now
With literally no tech opposition from the left
It’s almost as though most of the techbros are fascists who read about half of Atlas Shrugged and think it makes them smart.
The left had so many things they hated that the right manipulated them into cancelling every single celebrity with a skeleton in their closet. This made all of the terrified. At the same time the right showed they will defend and enrich anyone who even looks their way. The left alienated everyone they could, the right embraced them and offered a safe space. This isn’t complicated. It isn’t Atlas Shrugged. It’s basic human nature and social awareness. The left bought right into so many poisoned apples.
I read through the comments. Literally someone below is even saying “Tech bros are all fascist sympathizers”. I like tech. Do I now say fuck the left because that’s me I like tech and therefore I am a fascist sympathizer? Like its unreal how the left labels things and then has no awareness why they have lost people who traditionally would have been leaning left. I don’t think there ever will be any self awareness on this either.
I can’t imagine the mentality of walking around and saying everything and everyone is a piece of shit and then at the end of the day going “why is nobody supporting me”. People are not fascist or Nazis or whatever because they are helping Trump. They just hate all of you. A lot of the world does.
Sure, but what? All the tech-savvy Americans are fascist sympathizers? No actually bright and plugged-in people in the tech world?
Fascist techbros were already somewhere between wealthy and ultra wealthy.
There are plenty of non-fascist tech-savvy Americans, they just don’t control Scrooge McDuck amounts of money.
Breaking things online isn’t expensive. The asymmetry is the point. In the digital arena, knowledge scales faster than money.
Organize. Identify fascist sympathizing corporations, organizations, churches, NPOs- infrastructure disruption, financial sabotage, data exposure…
Even for those who aren’t “hackers,” why is there not a massive indimidation campaign against MAGA trash? Catfish, get receipts, out cheaters, perverts, and pedos to their families and communities. Find the “apolitical” folks who LARP like Nazis on Twitter. Share their Nazi shit with their employers.
All the tech-savvy Americans
No, just techbros.
Okay so… everyone else is just… allowing it? Nobody going on the offense? Obviously Americans have no stomach for the violence that WILL be necessary- so what’s the excuse for the total lack of cyberwarfare?
How else you get big bucks from selling surveillance tech to the state? Not with principled politicians.
She’s not very progressive if she uses Facebook.
I have asked her to get off of Facebook for awhile, but she is reluctant because her whole family uses it as their primary form of communication.
I ditched Facebook finally during COVID. I had already known it was a garbage platform, but I was feeling similarly because a lot of people I knew used it. The same thing happened to my feed though and I started getting a ton of anti-vax content.
What was worse is because I am pro-health and medical technology I advocated for people to be safe. I started getting death threats by friends of friends. I was flabbergasted and decided to delete my account then and there. If Facebook could turn people anti-vax and pro-murder I had to leave.
Yeah the people become awful on it. But then there is also the data collection and the active political manipulation by the platform itself. Not to mention directly funding Zuckerberg and his plans.
I never was on Facebook, I saw it as a bad idea when it came out. But I understand how many people including friends or family use it. I am pretty blunt: they support Trump, they support billionaires, they support fascism. Both figuratively and literally. Zuck just purchased 11 homes to make yet another compound. The money is from people participating. There is no mincing of words on this, particularly now. Fortunately people are beginning to see that they are getting less of what they asked for (friends and family updates) and that seems to be annoying them enough to at least consider other options. Its harder for them to understand how much of their information had been slanted or even hidden from them.
I know it is hard. Thanks for sharing that you work in a field were you could see how manipulation and non critical thinking can make everybody seems so crazy. COVID was so full of lies and nonsense it was unreal. I lost a lot of people that I thought would never believe in Qanon or conspiracy and I think I can tie a straight line back to Facebook.
The next target is getting people off Instagram, and those folks are dug in even harder.
Not even remotely the same. Being on Facebook actively funds fascism there is no other way to look at it.
So does purchasing groceries at Walmart, but many Americans have no choice in that matter.
I do appreciate that you had a more empathetic comment for the guy whose girlfriend is still on Facebook. Thank you for having the civility to not call her a fascist sympathizer to his face. But don’t worry, your true feelings are safe with me.
This is not how you make allies btw.
We are way beyond finding allies. Call it what it is.
Does Walmart actively distort your news, your information, your opinions? Does it select what you see to push an agenda? Does it require yo to provide information about who you are and who your friends are?
I have a distaste for people shopping at wallmart, but this is beyond that.
Remember, there is nothing Facebook provides that anyone needs. It is a choice.
Progressives don’t go to Nazi bars.
FB has been normally Right wing propaganda arm for ru, for like a decade. i think they might have ramped it up. plus AI bots are probably running the site anyways.
Truth, I was in the boy to alt-right pipeline cause Facebook targets literally everybody with these obtrusive ads and logic void arguments that cause brain rot. I was 15 going on hate crime because a popular Facebook post told me I was an alpha, ten years before this beta/alpha shit hit the mainstream. I’m a much more reserved adult but I’m so depressed my family still takes part in social media. I feel like I don’t have friends because I’m not on insta like what hell did we turn into
So what are you all going to do about it?
Continue to not use Facebook/Instagram.
I switched to Lemmy when Reddit came out in support of people who abuse children. I don’t even mean Trump, I just mean in general. I suggested abusers in general should face harsher penalties. They banned me for it. I said “holy shit you just did me a huge favor, apparently I was on the wrong site because our values are 100% incompatible.”
I mean, there isn’t even a debate. I’m not talking about people who find themselves attracted to kids. I’m talking about people who actually went out and hurt a real child facing longer, more meaningful sentences and they said nah, those people are people and need to be protected.
I’ve moved social networks on account of incompatible values and I think others will, too. Maybe not the majority but I think some others will. Especially as things get worse. There are networks for people who hate (like Truth Social), and networks for people who don’t care (like Facebook/Insta/Whatsapp), but I think as things change, more people will care and will look elsewhere. Not everyone but some people.
So nothing
I got banned for suggested someone stab a can with a knife to open it (they didn’t have a can opener). They said I was promoting violence. I appealed and a human still banned me for that. What a crock lol
I mean, there isn’t even a debate.
Just like anything else an argument could be made for rehabilitation, but yeah banning for this is insane.
Most people will continue and have continued to use the same big name social media, and expecting different from gen x and older is foolish. And these are still massive blocks of politically important people. Never mind the swarths of people in younger generations who will and are falling for the same dumb shit.
Those who use Instagram will keep using it and forget all about this within 24 hours.
I already don’t use Instagram so not really much more I can do but I guess it doesn’t impact me because of that
Why do you ask?
Move to mastodon and lemmy
Give the right the eyes and ears to everyone sounds like a great idea while we sink into the corner
Instagram is Facebook so no surprise there.
facebook= propaganda arm of russia in the US for boomers, and a site filled with bots.
It’s really disturbing seeing social media start leaning this way. It’s very obvious controlled fascist propaganda. Have you seen what Twitter is now? It’s actually creepy and insane.
Remove yourself from algo driven sites, set up an rss reader and hand pick your media, subcribe to newsletters of trustworthy media sites, delete useless apps from your phone or better jailbreak it and install graphene, get an e-reader secondhand and start reading etc etc.
This is how everything works under capitalism.
Yep. Has been since before I was born. I don’t know if it’s ever been this blatantly obvious before. But I guess it always seems that way when you’re living through it.
Capitalism? Are these paid services? This is bribery. They are getting something from the government for pushing their agenda.
They are paid services. The ad companies pay the services for access to the services resources.
Ads? Are they not talking about user generated content?
That’s what happens when you sukk the zukk
It’s time for Pixelfed!
I really wish we had an end-to-end encrypted option where posts are only shared and accessible to people you’ve added. Some of us don’t wish to post our personal photos to everyone on the internet.
Signal lets you post “stories”. Not sure exactly how it works because I’m not into that sort of thing, but it might be something to check out.
Yeah I’m the same (not really into that type of posting).
I basically want what Facebook once was, but with e2ee. Something like: you make a post, only people you’ve added can see it. They can comment, and if they choose, your friends can see that comment also.
Something to prevent mass scraping and data collection, while retaining the ‘keeping up with old aquitances’ vibe old Facebook used to have.
Legal immigrants who have something to offer and dont expect handouts can make a country great.
Correct.
In addition, illegal immigrants that spend their dollars on the local economy, pay taxes without taking from the social security pots and do low wage jobs locals don’t want to do also make a country great.
If people receive low wages to do a job that no one wants to do, sorry but it isnt a great country.
Basically the entire food industry from farm to table is exploited for their value and profit. Hell I worked for a cafe for the last 5 years with shit base pay because the money hungry owners don’t give a flying fuck if I can afford an apartment much less food or medicine. lol I didn’t even get an acknowledgement when I burned my arm on the oven and it left lasting marks. We need unions across sectors and industries for workers right but thats a slim chance of happening
All platforms are just becoming censorship hellholes for the owners.
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When will we get over the corpo social media
I asked that before it started.
Here we are.
Yeah, everyone should stop using Instagram, Facebook, threads, reddit, tik tok. But the FOMO is too strong. It’s too bad, if they did it would fix most of their problems in like a week.
Exactly.
Okay, now do religion.
Everyone should stop going to churches, synagogues, mosques, the church of latter day saints, and scientology. But the FOMO and fear of eternal damnation is too strong. It’s too bad, if they could just realize that everything is god including themselves, they could live happier more fulfilling lives in like a week.
Wayyy ahead of you.
I’m so far ahead of you I’m actually behind you.
People don’t really go to services for god or salvation, they do it for community.
I stopped going to church because the community was composed of rank hypocrites and bigots. I can have communal spaces elsewhere.
100 percent true. After many long years of observation and philosophical debates with myself, this was the logical conclusion I came to.
Most of those who visit th se “holy places” do so for the community and rarely for any actual religious reason.
Alright, the only way we can defeat religion is with cookouts and community events
much more likely than with logical debates online, I’d say
I’m actively working on moving on from Facebook. The amount of false information on the platform is just astounding and when you report the lies, you just get a response saying it doesn’t break any rules. Not even talking politics here, there was deceptive AI post about two top tennis players, that I reported.
Why is the leftist approach is to platform the opposition while the rights approach is to overwhelm the space until it does what they want?
Which approach do you think is working and which one do you think is failing?
Those spaces are overrun by bots, so have fun fighting against a never ending army of CPUs that doesn’t sleep. I am going to protect my sanity and not give them my time and energy (which equals their money).
Which approach do you think requires more money and cooperation from the network management?
Neither.
Both sides have money. In fact the left has much more money than the right.
We’re not even talking about big money here. The average right leaning person will give a dollar to any thing they agree with. The left mull over the morality and ethics of a thing until it passes then they say “well I would punch a Nazi if I ever needed to” but they can’t even muster the energy to read a comment they disagree with.
Look at the donations given to random assholes who said something anti vaccination. Millions of donating poured in. Look at that women that yelled racial slurs at kids in a park. Millions.
I saw Jon Stewart posted here the other day and the comments were calling him a fascist.
We’re fucking done.
I asked which approach requires more money, not who has more. You said the left doesnt want to spend that money, ok. Maybe the mass of liberals collectively has more money, maybe. Not the left though. And the network cooperation part? Which agendas are being priviledged by the recomendation algorithms in social medias?
What is the money doing? It does what we do for free. The algorithm favoured the right because they create content. It’s not a finger on the scale saying show people more right wing stuff. It’s the the right share and create content because they actively engage and participate online rather than sit in the sidelines. But the left wing causes and political parties see more donations than the right on average.
Democrats are able to raise more capital. Left leaning voters earn a higher Average income than right leaning. There’s money on the left we’re just less effective and more apathetic.
There is a finger on the scale though. Youre underestimating its weight. When we disagree on the “left” having money and sharing stuff, etc, i think we actually just disagree on who is the left. In my view, the left is probably a smaller group than in your view. This smaller group i consider left doesnt have much money, and does get a diminished voice in social media despite engaging a lot (relative to its demographic proportion).
I would argue you marginalizing the left into a smaller group is pretty beneficial to the right and you might want to view it critically. Like if you were the right with a lot of money and effort in astro turfing and targeting the left online then maybe you have succumbed to something they may have pushed. How would you know either way?
I think you forgot to say the reason why you think the left has more money than the right.
Classic
Meta sucks
You mean the app that’s run by a fascist and that promotes genocide? I’m shocked. SHOCKER!!! \s
(Seriously use Pixelfed instead, even if only partially for support.)
Pixelfed is dead just like mastadon . Loops was the only hope but someone on dbzero said loops is also fucked
mastodon isn’t dead.
Ofcourse it has users but no replies make it dead
By that same logic, Lemmy is dead, so what are you doing here?
No it’s not . You replied people reply is the proof but on pixelfed their are no replies. Dead area
So… If you think that wonder what you could do about it? If only there was somewhat to get involved and make a difference…
i dont want to do mastdon and its clones like planora or something is a failed experiment to copy what x / twitter did . to make that type of layout to work there need to be a lot more stuff and the big problem is people will always see new stuff instead of reddit like layout where people also see old stuff and thats why lemmy survived and mastadon did not
there need to be a lot more stuff
but that is just the thing, you need to make the stuff. That is how it grows.
Maybe your photos are just shit. I get engagement. Which, by the EXACT FUCKING STANDARD that you just used, PROVES it’s not dead.
I don’t know about Pixelfed but I’m pretty active on Mastodon and I get enough engagement there. I’d say it compares to Instagram like Lemmy compares to reddit.
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Why not work with each other to find ways to get around these things and overwhelm the platform. Like remember when people found that AI put guardrails in. People were not on these comments saying "well guys we should pack it up and leave it alone, I don’t like it anyways. No, instead the collective effort to get it to say something mean was incredible. So why is it with this stuff we convince each other to leave and let these platforms be run by the right wing people. You ever ask why there’s a difference?
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So how do you promote the new platforms if we all left?
Nobody on the right stops to ask if people want them. I mean Reddit was pretty left leaning. Now it isn’t. So what does it matter if they want you there.
It takes 10% of a group to change the views of 100% of the group. The right knew this and strategically targeted smaller sub Reddit’s before moving to bigger ones. I called this out in 2015. You could see smaller local subs shift. Then those fed into the larger city ones and then eventually the larger ones like r/Canada saw big shifts. They did this everywhere. The left has never understood this tactic I don’t know why. It was so obvious from the start.
Thank you good sir, i almost had to read a potty word. Thanks for making the internet great and save again.
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