• Jackusflackus@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    All I can say is let them die. If they are dumb enough to use something stupid like this, they deserve to not survive a crash.

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      The problem is when they crash they are throw from the seat and no longer in control of a 2ton missle. Though, thats implying they were ever in control to begin with.

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      3 months ago

      If you don’t use a seatbelt, a crash can turn your body into a projectile and kill someone else, so it’s not just “let the dumbasses die” scenario.

      Or so I heard on the internet. Sounds like it’s probably a thing, though no idea how common it is.

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        3 months ago

        I’d like to see any real world statistic where that’s more of a problem that it seems like. Not saying it doesn’t happen, probably does. Just not as big of a thing as you may be thinking

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          3 months ago

          How many people should we allow to die by the stupidity of others before something is done about it? What’s the negotiable cost of human life for self serving idiocy?

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            I’m not saying we should let others die (specifically from a person not wearing a seatbelt being ejected and killing someone else from the specific action of being thrown from the car landing on another), I’m just asking to see evidence to tell if it’s a real problem like you say it is.

            I tried searching for any stats of this thing happening and I can’t find anything in the US specifically involving a person that is hurled from a vehicle killing a bystander.

            The likely hood of this scenario is so low it could be literally non existent. So low that it could even be something stupid like someone’s seatbelt even breaks during a crash causing the same event (thinking randomly with no proof whatsoever).

            Again im not saying anyone’s wrong or condemning bystanders to death but it sounds like something that really doesn’t happen like everyone responding to my top comment is making it out to be.

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    3 months ago

    I’ve flipped two cars. The only injury I had from those two incidents was cutting my finger in safety glass due to my own stupidity. The major down side to seatbelts is that they are difficult to undo when your car is upside down. The benefit of seatbelts is that they let you complain on the Internet about how hard it is to undo your seatbelt when upside down.

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    3 months ago

    Every Republican I personally know breaks laws like these all the time, and yet when a cop murders someone they say “they shouldn’t have broken the law”

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    3 months ago

    Excellent product idea, inspires me for some others:

    Punisher airbag-knife, specially designed to deflate those pesky government-mandated airbags. Did you know airbags kill people sometimes? Protect yourself by getting rid of them!

    Punisher-themed electric bathtub hot dog grill, because it’s my God given right to enjoy an American classic whenever and wherever I feel like it.

    Punisher-themed fire alarm sound insulating boxes. Pairs great with the electric bathtub hot dog grill

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      3 months ago

      Did you know airbags kill people sometimes?

      Did you know unbuckled seatbelts are supposed to disable or reduce the action of airbags? Because if you crash hard enough to trigger the airbags, the lack of a seatbelt may make impact with the airbag WORSE than impact with the steering wheel. This is quite the killer device.

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        3 months ago

        I haven’t checked the validity of your statement, but I’d guess this is because airbags are calibrated to go off with the assumption that the occupant is wearing a seatbelt. Airbags should only activate if a collision is hard enough that a person wearing a seatbelt is likely to impact the inside of the car. Without a seatbelt you will not only injure yourself bouncing around the car on a much lower collision speed, but also likely not be in a position the airbag expects you to be when it activates.

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          This is not my field, so this information comes from articles I’ve read over the years: when they first introduced this functionality, it was explained plainly as: your kinetic energy + the kinetic energy of the expanding airbag > your kinetic energy + negative energy absorbed by the deflating airbag.
          Nowadays I gather that things are more complicated, but still, the status of your seatbelt is part of the data your car uses to choose a protection strategy for you. Fooling it with devices like this goes against your own interest twice.

  • MiDaBa@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    Screw right wing punisher dudes.

    Seat belt should be used on every drive.

    That said, I think it’s ridiculous police can charge and make revenue for protecting people from themselves. Education I support, hard enforcement not so much.

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      The problem comes when those laws are used arbitrarily towards one demographic and not just everyone. Any laws written to be discretionary are inherently bigoted.

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      3 months ago

      Sure, let people make their own life or death decisions. This is fine until the death toll starts mounting up and then suddenly relatives and friends of the dead, who can’t fathom that the deceased was an idiot and made their own choice, suddenly start moaning that the government should be doing more to save lives etc. So laws get passed and enforced, and “freedom first” Americans start bitching that the government shouldn’t tell them what to do… thus the cycle continues.

      Just wear your seatbelt. It’s not difficult or inconvenient. Save your energy to rise up about things that matter.

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        Also seat belts reduce the per incident medical costs of traffic accidents, thus ostensibly reducing insurance costs. In all likelihood not cus why wouldn’t they charge more, but in a rational system it would.

        source (that I randomly found and skimmed admittedly):

        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27177737/

  • 6mementomorib@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    What some fail to remember is at least if you’re buckled, even if you crash you have a chance to hit the brakes. If you get catapulted off your seat, there’s none of that, and you can cause more crashes.

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      There are dog harnesses that tie into the seatbelt if you ever want to go the other way with this. we used to use one for our boxer and it helped make him less of a distraction and calmed him down re: the car shifting his weight around.

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      3 months ago

      That’s the point of the alarm though. To alert you that there’s something heavy enough to cause death or injury when it goes ping-ponging around the cabin in a crash.

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    3 months ago

    Blame Chris Kyle for introducing the idea of Punisher skulls as their Navy SEAL unofficial emblem.

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      Sometimes I feel like I should get in on the grift. I couldn’t bring myself to sell an anti-safety device in good conscience, but there’s bound to be a ton of pointless shit I can stick a skull on and sell this crowd.

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        See it depends on the target audience. Any antisafety device that targets cops is a safety device for the general public; every cop that exits through the front of the car is dozens of minorities not harassed or fed into the prison-industrial complex.

        That’s why China should make 200,000 watt electric bikes, no ABS, no TC except on takeoff, lithium battery and center of gravity located just below the rider’s balls, and offer a 95% active duty US and IDF servicemen discount. It comes in 3 colors, olive drab flag, gun metal and grey flag, and flag.

        President Xi, I know you’re reading this, I have other great ideas too.

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        I thought about selling overpriced tee shirts with obvious trolly text. Like the typical skull and fire, maybe a motorcycle, reading something like “the wearer of this shirt is loyal beyond all reason, they stick with a decision no matter how bad!”

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    Very hope insurance companies check these details after any incident to refuse payment.

    Very much hope countries with free healthcare and law force to use seatbelts could refuse treatment such brave persons.

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      lol what? Well how much danger am I allowed to put myself in before doctors get to tell me to eat shit when I turn up at the E.R.?? If I break my collarbone playing backyard football should insurance companies refuse payment because I wasn’t wearing shoulder pads?

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      Undermines the point of free healthcare. People are treated in priority order regardless. Medics have an obligation to help folk in need unless they’re DNR.

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        Yes, but I mean, some system like “self harm” would lower Your priority score, -2. Similar as alcohol overusing could make You problems with medical treatment for liver damage or smoking cigarettes would delay/cost lungs treatment.

        You knew the risk of overusing these, be responsible now.

        Obviously smoking cigarettes would NOT affect medical help in case of car accident, as not related.

        ImHo it is ridiculous to overdrinking for many years and then expect to get liver transplant in priority over common citizen who got badly stabbed while robbed. (I’m no medic, unsure if You can be stabbed badly enough to require liver transplant, it’s just an example).

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          When they give organs they judge based on lifestyle factor and wouldn’t give a liver to an alcoholic over someone that isn’t.

          However, when people get to choose, it can become quite arbitrary. Excuses not to treat.

          Don’t get me wrong, if folk want to write themselves off, by all means, but let’s not Americanize healthcare that is free at the point of use.

  • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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    Im not a physicist or a doctor but I dont think you want a rounded metal plate loosely hanging out nearby when you get into a crash.

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      The small light item that’s clicked into a mechanism that’s designed to hold back the entire bodyweight of the largest human that’ll fit into the seat in the event of a crash? You should probably be more worried about going through the windscreen head first.

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      It’s the punisher logo. I haven’t seen any punisher media but IRRC he’s a bad ass vigilante because cops are corrupt or don’t do their job. So a lot of the “I’m so bad ass” guys idolize this violent line wolf guy