• Treczoks@lemmy.world
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    Only with “Republican Jesus”. You know, the white guy wearing a toga, a cross, and an AR15.

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    American Far-Right Evangelicalism is the biggest heresy in 21st century Christianity and possibly the most wide spread heresy in the history of the religion.

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      Technically Islam is, since it has roots in the arianism heresy

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        I reckon being heretical involves at least claiming to be part of the religion. You might have a better argument for LDS

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          Eh, Muslims claim to worship “The god of Adam, Moses, Abraham, and Jesus”.

          JWs claim to be Christian but not the same religion as Christians.

          I think Mormons do claim to be a Christian debomination somehow. They even sing Christian hymns. Although I had a Mormon missionary reject monotheism to my face. But again, that’s probably why we’d measure them as heretics here.

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            I think the Mormons have the number of people that will go to heaven down to a set number and it is not very large like several thousand. That is of all time. Which makes it kind of funny when they are trying to recruit you in their minds you were predestined never to go to heaven.

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              Those are Jehovah’s Witnesses.

              They believe that there is a two tier system, that there are 144,000 people who will go to heaven and the rest will remain on earth.

              Mormons believe you become a god and get your own planet

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            Eh, Muslims claim to worship “The god of Adam, Moses, Abraham, and Jesus”.

            Well, sure, but that’s not enough for them to be considered “Christian” in any useful sense of the word. We certainly wouldn’t consider Christians to be Jewish by that standard and they have a much deeper foundation in Judaism than Islam has in Christianity.

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      Very likely not. It’s not an easy book to get through. Even the most devout will usually tap out at the begats.

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      Acquaintance from high school married a preacher man, “met” him on FaceBook. Very intelligent and well educated man. His doctorate in divinity is real, he worked for it, absolute expert. His arguments were well crafted and we loved poking each other. Plus, we were both hot pepper fanatics and growers. :)

      Here’s the point: That’s the only Christian I’ve met in life that could actually debate Biblical views. I can turn most of them into a raging, spitting, cursing mess with a dozen questions, and they almost never engage for the whole dozen.

      Guess I should include my best friend. He was a conservative Southern Baptist, very angry when I announced I had turned to atheism, though he was fine with me as a deist. LOL, I corrupted that fucker. Now he’s an atheist, liberal, and supports gay rights. But again, he’s an exception. His best traits are that he’s intelligent, way more so than I, and best yet, he can admit he’s wrong and is willing to examine his beliefs. Exceptions proving rules and whatnot.

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        My sister-in-law’s step dad and grandfather are both preachers with doctorates in theology. I can talk religion with them all day, and we all can recognize the issues with modern Christians. The people who actually understand the Bible are generally great people in my experience.

        They aren’t the issue. It’s the people who use it as a tool/weapon who are the issue. They don’t care what it says, nor do they even know what it says usually. They might know a handful of passages that can be mangled to fit their hateful ideology, but it doesn’t really matter as long as they fell righteous.

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          Have you asked them about the bibles internal inconsistencies?

          Start with something uncontroversial like; what’s the name of Joseph’s father?

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          LOL, no list. I just grew up in a white-bread Presbyterian church, know the Bible well enough to argue, if not exact chapter and verse.

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        Being intelligent but believing in a sky papa. I don’t see those two going together.

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      If they had, they’d know there was a 13th disciple named Matthias. I’m not even kidding, it’s in the Book of Acts. He was selected to replace Judas, and is described as having been with them since the beginning.

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    He definitely would have debated him and every point he lost to Jesus, he just would have brought up some shit from the Old Testament as proof that Jesus is wrong.

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    Or maybe one of Voldemort’s minions, or a band of orcs assaulting Helm’s Deep, or a stormtrooper in- wait, that one’s a little too close. They can imagine him as anything they want, he’s worm food now.