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Tylenol is a brand. Acetominophen was created in 1878 (or 1852, depending on who you ask).
e: That doesn’t make RFKJr not wrong and insane, in case it needed saying.
Not to mention, this doesnt prove tylenol doesnt cause cancer, it just proves that tylenol isnt the only cause of cancer.
Obv it doesnt, but this argument is just bad.
you fucked the argument lol
Over half of Americans read at a 6th-grade level or lower and our President speaks at a 4th-grade level. How many you suppose know Tylenol and acetaminophen are the same thing?
Ah!
There’s dihydrogen monoxide in my drinking water!
Ahhhhh!
It’s on the box.
Look at the elitist over here that knows how to read : P
I never learned and you can’t make me.
Just wait till they hear what big pharma is doing with paracetamol
I could totally see acetaminophen makers rebranding with a “new” paracetamol
lol my guess is like 70% of people in the us don’t know what acetaminophen or paracetamol are, so Tylenol could just come out with Lonelyt Extra Stength and bam, sales
He is absolutely insane
Wasn’t ibuprofen what they were blaming? Or did they switch to acetaminophen?
Edit: just saw the Trump clip, now it’s acetaminophen’s fault, lmao. Funny how it’s something that’s actually safe to take for pain during pregnancy, because of course they can never pass up a chance at making women suffer
They don’t care about women’s suffering, but I think this is a case where it’s incompetence rather than malice.
What’s extra crazy about this is that one thing we do know, for certain, can be damaging to a fetus is for the mother to have a fever. Acetaminophen reduces fevers. This is yet another case of an anti-vaxx nutjob thinking the cure is worse than the disease.
I only ever saw Tylenol.
Do you think RFK knows this?
There’s a 100% correlation between a child coming into direct physical contact with their family doctor and that same child later being diagnosed with autism. Show me an example where this was not the case. Family doctors are sporing autismomes like a tickled mushroom and no one is talking about it.
Delectable comment. I enjoyed every word.
Not true! YOU just talked about it.
And now I am taking about it… holy shit, it’s spreading!
… or worms.
Nothing but to agree. But we are way past the point of facts. This fallacy implies just projection of your own competency onto morons who just dont care. Your enemy doesnt care.
Nothing but to agree.
Cancer existed before cigarettes. Therefore, using the ‘meme’s’ argument: "anyone trying to tell you that cigarettes cause cancer is entirely full of crap”.
But we are way past the point of facts.
Clearly, since this ‘meme’ is using some real bad arguments to try to prove facts.
Not to defend RFK, but this argument is dumb.
People from everywhere it doesn’t natively grow developed cancer long before they had access to tobacco. That doesn’t prove tobacco use doesn’t cause cancer, it just means it isn’t the only potential cause.
Also dumb because it wasn’t until 1943 that we had the first diagnosis of autism. OP is just making shit up.
That’s because cancer is a category of diseases, not a single one. Specific types of cancer that are caused by smoking are caused by smoking (there is afaik 12 of those, and some are associated with prolonged inhalation of any smoke, and some are only tabaco-related, but it doesn’t matter)
The point is, the claim is that Tylenol is “linked to” autism.
This post is rebutting the claim that Tylenol “causes” autism.
Thats a classic straw man argument.
No, the post is claiming that because Tylenol was discovered after autism, it can’t be a cause of it. That’s flawed logic: it’s true that autism must also have some other cause, but it’s very possible in principle for things to have multiple causes, so the timeline argument proves nothing.
That’s not to say that Dipshit McBrainworm’s claim has any sort of merit whatsoever, mind you. It’s just that this argument is defective.
the timeline argument proves nothing
That’s what I said ?
If there is a bump in cases of autism post-Tylenol, then it might be a cause, if there isn’t, it can’t be. That’s the reason for the timeline argument, that’s what it proves.
“Linked to” means “might cause in some cases”. If it’s “linked” then it should be at least correlated. The disconnect between the two shows that it isn’t.
Are there any cancers that were found to be “caused by smoking” before 2003?
Of those, are there any that have subsequently also been found to be “caused by” vaping (such as the tobacco-related ones)?
If so, then it means vaping is indeed a cause (as opposed to the singular cause) of those cancers even though they were around before vaping was invented (in 2003).
That’s why this meme is bad.
If you focus on nicotine specifically, nicotine causes specific type of cancer. Change in the delivery mechanism would cause fluctuations in dosage, but it doesn’t matter in this case (we ignore other types of cancer not to bog down the analogy).
If one would argue that Tylenol causes autism, two things should be shown, the delivery mechanism of Tylenol before it was invented/isolated, to explain pre-Tylenol cases of autism, and/or specific uptick in autism when it was started to be used as medication.
It’s possible that the meme is good you just didn’t get it.Or that Tylenol is able to aggravate a pathway that results in development of autism. This would move it from “Tylenol causes autism” to “maternal use of Tylenol may be a trigger for development of autism in utero”. The latter statement would also require providing compelling that autism (or a condition currently indistinguishable from it) is either not genetic as currently suspected or is like schizophrenia in requiring both a genetic predisposition and a “trigger”.
Now, that’s quite a bit to have to prove and there’s no way in hell RFK Jr of all people managed to figure it out in 6 fucking months. So yeah if China or the EU starts saying this maybe it’s worth considering the possibility, otherwise it’s just another unsubstantiated claim that unfortunately means pregnant people are going to be recommended it’s not worth risking
Also I’m pretty sure paracetamol has been around for about 150 years or more.
Paracetamol was first made in the 1800’s though.
Or are they just blaming a certain brand?
It’s a brand thing, obviously.
It’s always about money.
Wonder what the announcement will be? Wonder which drug they’ll push and which of Trumps cronies will own the pharma company
Dr Oz as another poster said on another post.
Direct from Wikipedia
Paracetamol was first made in 1878 by Harmon Northrop Morse or possibly in 1852 by Charles Frédéric Gerhardt.
The left has misinformation too. Science is on our side; there’s no reason to propagate this shit.
The argument would be that autism is on the rise, not that it’s a new thing. I’m assuming this crowd understands the “rise” is from finer-tuned diagnoses. Hell, there may be another factor, but money says it ain’t Tylenol.
Literally no Americans know what paracetamol is. Randomly ask anyone.
Americans know brand names: Tylenol, Advil, Prilosec, Ambien.
I’ll bet you could survey Americans and 999/1000 have never even have heard the word paracetamol. Or zolpidem, and slightly less often, omeprazole (though that one may be increasing due to the general state of things and subsequent need for prescriptions). Most won’t have heard anything but the brand names, and the brand names have been drilled into their heads by way of constant advertising.
US brands have spend stupid amounts of money making sure people think of their propriety name instead of the real name of any drug.
Nobody would’ve heard paracetamol, but you’d probably get some hits with acetaminophen. Not a lot, to be clear, but some.
I know several Americans who know what paracetamol is. Not sure it’s as rare as you think.
Americans know “paracetamol” about as well as you apparently know “acetaminophen”.
They are the same compound.
“Paracetamol” is the generic term used in Europe and Australia. “Acetaminophen” is the generic term commonly used in the Americas.
Americans barely know ‘acetaminophen’ , too. Some, sure. Most know Tylenol.
Both are slightly less clunky words created from the corpse of “N-acetyl-para-aminophenol”
“Acetaminophen” takes the “acet” from “acetyl” and “aminophen” from “aminophenol”.
“Paracetamol” takes the “para” part, and then a few other random letters that don’t really make sence. “cet” from “acetyl”, and maybe “am” from the start of “amphenol” with the “ol” ending from the same word, ignoring that it ends in “nol”?
Paracetamol" takes the “para” part, and then a few other random letters that don’t really make sence.
Because it actually comes from a different chemical name for the same compound: para-acetylaminophenol
Whichever version you use, it doesn’t really make sense. The para part, sure. But “cetamol”? I guess you can can smush two of the words together and go from “para-acet” to “paracet”. But, the “amol” ending? It seems to be borrowing the “am” from amino, and the “ol” from the end. But, that’s a weird set of letters to borrow, and weird to not borrow the full “amin” from amino and not borrow the full “enol” from phenol.
I know almost all my meds by the generic names because I’m broke and that’s what the pharmacy will give me. Ibuprofen, levothyroxine, etc. Alprazolam.
I most certainly do because I’ve traveled a lot
But people that lump all Americans are just as ignorant as who they’re trying to criticize
I’m not ‘lumping all Americans’.
I’ve lived here for decades. I’m quite solidly informed.
And before that, it was all kinds of slurs I shouldn’t say. It’s been here forever, we’ve only developed empathy for it recently.
Careful! Cancer was around before cigarettes or dioxin. Not that I don’t think RFK is full of shit, but sometimes it’s best to ignore bad arguments when there are so many good ones to be made.
But but but orange man say drug bad.
He’s a dumbass. And a liar.
If he says snow is white, he’s lying (taken from God of War).
That’s the dumbest shit I’ve heard in a long time LMAO
I have no doubt that Tylenol isn’t as safe as it’s made out to be, but RFKs brain worms swung way too far in the other direction lol
Tylenol would be a prescription drug if it hit the market today. Had a friend blow her liver and lie in a coma for two months until she got a transplant. She was a hardcore alcoholic, and this is an alcoholic saying that. Doctor addressed the family and told them alcohol wasn’t the factor, the liver failure was 100% down to Tylenol.
OTOH, I’ve seen a lot of ignorant comments from people thinking it does cumulative damage. Nope, just don’t do too much at once.
She was a hardcore alcoholic, and this is an alcoholic saying that. Doctor addressed the family and told them alcohol wasn’t the factor, the liver failure was 100% down to Tylenol.
That doesn’t sound realistic, that a hardcore alcoholic’s liver failure was 0% from alcohol abuse. I suspect that the information changed at some point in the process of relating it to you.
It was probably just that the Tylenol overdose was the immediate cause, and somebody took that to mean that alcoholism was not a factor.
Surgeon said her alcoholism was hardly a factor. “Believe it or not…”, were his words. He saw her fucking liver, in situ, I’m going to go with his expertise.
Given that she was only around 40, and given that some of us have “Ozzy” genes, I’m not too surprised, though I was at the time. Human’s can have wildly different experiences, no one-size-fits-all. Hell, I’m not allergic to poison ivy. Weird.
Ah, of course. When, as you said, the doctor addressed “the family” and told “them” that stuff, of course, I assumed that you, being “a friend” wouldn’t have been there, or at least would have said “us” instead of “them.”
But of course, you were actually there and heard the words directly with the family. Cool.
Probably that paracetamol becomes far more toxic when alcohol has depleted the liver’s glutathione stores
She was popping them like Tic Tacs. When they dropped the new liver in, they found 3’ of gangrenous small intestine, hence the overdose. She’d pop two, still in pain, no difference, pop another two, rinse and repeat, all afternoon.
Can’t remember what she estimated, won’t try to repeat it, but she went fucking nuts. I think that would kill about any of us.
Glad we have these conversations. We were all shocked to learn that Tylenol could crash your liver. Wasn’t the common knowledge 25-years ago that it is today.
Don’t blame me for his bullshit…it’s empty in here
We learned somewhat recently it can dull emotional pain
It was around for decades and decades then just some years ago researchers figured that out. Always much to learn, not from brainworm scammer though of course
Wow, thank you for bringing that up. That’s potentially very helpful in some situations.
Specifically I’m thinking that it might be worth taking a preemptive dose prior to contact with a known trigger, to assist with exposure therapy.
tfw my wife has a paracetamol allergy and I will never have autistic kids
😔
Cool, maybe next they can find a cure for MAGA
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406
Findings In this population-based study, models without sibling controls identified marginally increased risks of autism and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) associated with acetaminophen use during pregnancy. However, analyses of matched full sibling pairs found no evidence of increased risk of autism (hazard ratio, 0.98), ADHD (hazard ratio, 0.98), or intellectual disability (hazard ratio, 1.01) associated with acetaminophen use.
I can’t wait to post this on social media. No one is going to respond and actually read a medical journal article but Bravo for this. Very interesting and telling. These people will take anything and run with it hardcore for an agenda my god lol
TL;DR they want Autistic people to go without pain killers.
and pregnant women ☝😃 ibuprofen is not allowed during the last trimester making tylenol the usual painkiller of choice
TIL
I agree with the sentiment but the diagnosis autism has changed dramatically over the years, especially the last 25 or so. What was called autism back then might be only a small part of the spectrum now.
