What practical, actionable leftist action does this post endeavor to discuss and/or devise?
Anything? Or is it just “stop shitting on Mamdani”?
Like I get the frustration all around, but what does posting screenshots and shitting on one guy on X/BlueSky/whatever practically do?
Are you counter-virtue-signalling the virtue-signaling leftist? Ok, cool. But I thought this feddit was supposed to be about pragmatics and planning? What’s the plan here?
is it just “stop shitting on Mamdani”?
Seems like it. Mamdani is a miraculous phenomenon. His rise through local government, and approach to his larger campaign, is an example for all of us.
Shitting on Mamdani is counterproductive. It is pragmatic to disincentivize it if we want more Mamdanis, which I can say with confidence that we do.
I watched Zohran’s subway takes episode where he vehemently denies any interest in “defunding the police”. He then proceeds to explain his plan which is exactly what “defund the police” proponents advocate for. You can’t take American politicians at their talking points so try to focus on their rhetoric, because that is significantly harder to fake
It’s almost like “defund the police” was an ineffective tagline and people doing the real, hard work have to swim upstream with it tied around their legs.
Yeah. It is catchy though. “Reallocate Some Portion of Police Funding to More Comprehensive Social Services” just doesn’t roll off the tongue.
Being a politician means being a salesperson first and foremost. He knows that defund the police means doing the same things, but to voters one sounds harsh while the other sounds “common sense.” As a salesperson now I don’t get to makeup how people will hear my words, but I do get to shape what I say so I’m likely to be the winner.
You’re mad at Mamdani when you should be mad that people don’t care enough to look up something and learn.
To me theyre precisely why hard left people rarely get into power.
They feel they shouldn’t have to play by the rules of the game as stupid as they are and thus rarely ever win. To their own detriment.
I wish the same could be said of the far right but trashing the constitution is a point of honour for the King of USA and his cultists lap it up.
Yyyup. The game is what it is. You can learn how to win, or you can lose and criticize the winners from the sideline.
“I found one person on the internet expressing an extreme position from the left. I bet s/he represents all opinions of all people to the left of <implicitly acceptable impure position that I implicitly hold for the purpose of this hypothetical, but which I don’t explicitly claim so as to buy myself the pragmatic superiority derived from said strategic ambiguity>. Better post about it on my favorite internet forum to see how many sympathetic giggles I can get out of fellow strangers who will surely jump at the opportunity to mutually jerk in a circular fashion. Hhyy-uk!”
What the fuck are you talking about
Precisely.
Two days ago I saw a turkish kid getting georgefloyed and i talked shit to the cop to get georgefloyed with him. I was in detention for 12 hours. I saw multiple people their face completely destroyed by police violence
TerMinAllY OnliNe. You literally post 24/7
I’m convinced these people don’t exist. They are right wing trolls meant to divide people
And the Republican lunatics are actually left-wing trolls, right? Or are they Russian bots?
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Unfortunately, that’s not some clever scheme to make them look detached from reality. They just are.
Did you seriously watch Tucker Carlson for ten whole minutes? Are you punishing yourself for something?
Are you trying to ‘both sides’ a rejection of ‘both sides?’
It’s possible for allegedly-left-wing assholes to be conservatives at heart, and plainly-right-wing assholes to also be conservatives at heart. Like hey, maybe the root problem is conservatism, as a tribalist worldview.
I’m clumsily pointing out that same logic can just as well be used by the other side to deny the problems in their camp. Maybe nobody should do it?
‘They could say that about you!’
Yeah, but it would be wrong.
If Shaq tells me ‘you’re short,’ DARVO’s not gonna get me very far, unless he picks my ass up and throws me.
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So the Nazis were socialists? I mean, they said so. Who am I to judge. Apparently.
If you meant to say that I, personally, don’t get to unilaterally declare who’s in the club - because words mean things, and labels are either accurate or not - yeah, that is what I am saying. Anyone can point to tankies and say ‘you’re identarians who don’t seem to care about theory,’ and be right. Anyone can point to Illinois Nazis and say ‘you’re secretly antifa!,’ and be wrong. This is not a contradiction. You have to evaluate claims.
I don’t even think identarian is a word
probably bots
Mostly troll farms…
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We have not one but several entire instances filled with people like this. Hell, the DSA unendorsed AOC, of all people, for being insufficiently pro-Palestine.
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Yeah, let’s keep republicans in power! That’ll show us! /s
ITT: People compare the staw man in the picture to real people with valid complaints about their leadership
Does being “pure left” mean we can’t condemn war crimes unless they’re from the right? Calling out bullshit regardless of “teams” is part of what the left is all about.
Both Likud and Hamas are right though - dunno if you meant that. There are Tankies who whitewash Russian and Chinese atrocities because they perceive them as somehow still Left; Looking at you Roger Waters.
The Terminally Online ‘Leftist’ Brigade disagrees, it would seem.
Agreed, that comment wasn’t “distilled” enough to be correct.
But yeah, imagine being online all day… No one but the freaks stare at their phone and computer all day, right Pug?
Which doesn’t say anything about our society or the things it lacks, no, it’s just those jerks and losers who are terminally online that are the problem.
Internet? I don’t even have a connection y0… I’m pure offline baby!
But yeah, imagine being online all day… No one but the freaks stare at their phone and computer all day, right Pug?
If you forget to touch grass every once in a while, you can get caught in an information bubble. It’s no different from fundamentalists who never leave their church’s social circle.
Which doesn’t say anything about our society or the things it lacks, no, it’s just those jerks and losers who are terminally online that are the problem.
If someone is so terminally online that they’re decrying Zohran Mamdani as being insufficiently left for critical support on the grounds of ‘acknowledging Hamas performed war crimes on Oct 7’, they desperately need to touch grass.
There’s not really enough political theory to address informational autocracy rn.
I like turtles, and attitude changes. I love corn! 🌽
…but we don’t own the algorithms.
We are what we focus on, but online whose deciding that?.. What about in an informational autocracy? Is it our own attention and where we lavish it, what we say to get it? Or is that always an A vs B choice, dished out by a billionaire’s robot.
We are what we focus on to some degree. Perhaps more so on Lemmy.
Look to what you love, hope the positives out shine the negatives. Do the most important things at the most important times. Don’t burn out.
I’m glad Zohran won, perhaps the rest is in the past already. It’d be nice if the progressive dems are given a shot, but we’re all facing autocracy together.
Even the highlighted radical anti-capitalist purist we’re focusing on today (our attention is here). How to coat correctives in sugar 101.
I don’t envy Aesop, fables aren’t easy to write.
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It isn’t just the online ones and it makes me reluctant to even call myself left anymore. I rather describe myself as caring for others besides myself. Not catchy, I know.
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“I agree with 95% of this man’s platform, but I disagree with his more moderate takes during speeches. I will show the establishment they can’t control me by choosing not to vote, ensuring that someone much worse makes it into office. That’ll show them”
Nothing says a person has principles like letting someone else decide them for you.
No you see, permitting mass murder, human trafficking, oppression and violations of bodily autonomy are much better than supporting a single somewhat crappy thing.
(that was a joke, but not a ha-ha joke)
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maybe if you post your shit takes enough times in a single thread, someone will actually agree with them lol
it may surprise you that mass murder, rape, and abduction are deeply unpopular even when punching up
There’s being outside the Overton Window, and then there’s being outside the Overton’s all together, next door at the Godwin’s.
Funny how 90% of that interview, including calling Gaza a genocide is left out of the conversation. A cherry picked line in order to drive a wedge in support, this is not a real sentiment.
the original poster is right.
I know about being pragmatic but if anyone think zohran is gonna be shockingly different, they are gonna be disappointed.Nothing about purity, just contrarian; same people who supported Mamdani until he got popular or until average liberals began liking him. They’re an insufferable bunch.
TOL: “I’m gonna boycott voting for Dems to teach the Dems a lesson. Next time they’ll put up a progressive!”
Reality: Trump wins and Biden is the 2020 candidate
TOL: “I’m gonna boycott voting for Dems to teach the Dems a lesson. Next time they’ll put up a progressive!”
Reality: Biden wins but Dems can’t get passed the filibuster because of a slim majority.
Trump never gets prosecuted and GOP lays groundwork to end democracy and instill fascism if Trump wins next time
TOL: “I’m gonna boycott voting for Dems to teach the Dems a lesson. Next time they’ll put up a progressive!”
Reality: Trump wins 2024 and now US democracy is gone, probably permenantly.
Newsome is most likely to be next Dem nominee
Do we expect anything less from these troglodytes?
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I expect nothing, but a man can hope he can nudge a few fence sitters
This is a really convenient way to view the Democratic party’s constant failures. It’s always someone else’s fault besides the ones in charge. -_-
Oh no, those poor powerless dems that keep winning elections and look the other way when one of their memebers breaks ranks to be the ACTUAL deciding factor.
This narrative is propaganda, that the DNC is entitled to a magically giant number of votes from people who don’t exist and that’s why they’re always useless.
It’s definitely not because the Democratic party is complicit in the oligarchy or anything…
It’s definitely not because the Democratic party is complicit in the oligarchy or anything…
it’s voting, not marriage. you vote for the least harm to those you care about (or fucking should, duh).
it’s not an ideological purity exam, it’s a multi-year term and then you vote again. vote the best option you have, otherwise we’re gonna have trumps forever.
I cannot fathom how hard it is to get people to understand this very simple thing.
I voted for Kamala
Neoliberalism failing to provide meaningful positive change makes apathetic voters
I can not fathom how hard it is to get people like you to understand that voters as a group do not and will never vote in their own self interests and logic. They vote with their feelings, and when nothing gets tangibly better under a leader, they vote them out.
They vote with their feelings, and when nothing gets tangibly better under a leader, they vote them out.
lot of fucking good it does 'em
Does even less good to pretend like human beings will fundamentally change their individual behaviors en masse in between election cycles.
Dems are supposed to be the educated ones, if they give a shit about winning, they would have learned this fact about voters and enabled meaningful change to happen.
sure buddy. whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
What a weird way to handle the fact that people are stupid
This is a really convenient way to view the Democratic party’s constant failures.
You’re missing the point entirely, which seems to be the main problem the online left has.
The point is simple. I’ll bold it for you.
THE US COLLAPSING INTO FASCISM WOULDNT BE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IF KAMALA HAD WON
KAMALA WOULD HAVE HAD BETTER ODDS OF WINNING IF THE ONLINE LEFT DIDNT BOYCOTT THE VOTE AND ENCOURAGED OTHERS TO VOTE FOR HER.
BOYCOTTING THE VOTE CONTRIBUTED TO HER LOSS, THUS GIVING TRUMP THE VICTORY
THUS MARGINALIZED PEOPLE ARE BEING SENT TO CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN A GENOCIDE ON US SOIL
THUS DEMOCRACY HAS ENDED IN THE USA, MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY NON-FASCIST TO WIN
Now let’s do transitive property:
Millions of the left boycotted Kamala, even knowing about P2025 a year in advance, thus contributing to her loss.
Now the US is falling to literal fascism and starting a genocide against minorities on US soil.
Do you see why blaming everything on the Dems (who are certainly guilty) means nothing? There’s clearly a colossal problem with the online left where they were duped by the millions onto inaction against fascism, which is surrender to fascism.
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