I’m trans and I’m terrified, terrified for my queer friends and family, terrified for Ukraine and Palestine, and terrified for the planet.
If you didn’t vote or voted for this piece of shit, fuck you. If you voted for him, you deserve the massive inflation and shit he’s about to put you through.
I’m straight and white, and I am also terrified for my queer friends and family. I figured Israel was always a lost cause but Ukraine is going to be so fucking stupid and painful when they get starved after we offered support.
If you didn’t vote or voted for this piece of shit, FUCK YOU
Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think. So is Putin, but this is not as clear cut. Palestine is fucked, but it already was. Vance even said something along not interfering between Israel and Iran, so it’s about equally fucked, maybe even less fucked.
We live in a world with skewed media picture of what’s happening, and the distortion by Trump people and the distortion by DNC people do not cancel each other out. In some ways they work in the same direction.
Only the biggest and rawest facts should really be used in the comparison. What both have actually done in full. Not what they promise, not project 2025, just the real things. Weapons, money, territory, and not a token amount with some promise, but all. Same way you pay for groceries. Politicians are like shoplifters.
“Ukraine was always friendly with the Trump crowd, I think.”
Timmy, what the everloving fuck are you smoking?
Well, the previous govt was pretty shitty leftovers from the Soviet era. Zelenskyy has turned out to not only talk the talk for a tv show but walk the walk and actually lead the country. He knows how fucked this is and is trying to do damage control in hope of keeping the ammo coming. Like most things conservative every accusation is a confession, when Putin talked about de-nazifying Ukraine, they had already done so through the democratic process and put the funny guy in charge.
With the rerun of this administration though, who knows which side we’ll send aid to and there may be someone in Kyiv loyal to Moscow again. I really fucking hope not but this result will likely do more to help the orcs than our new allies.
“orcs”
Cut that shit the fuck out. Dehumanization is the weapon of the enemy. We do not use it.
Thank God orcs won’t stick like nazis did.
They dehumanized themselves. Nothing wrong with recognizing that.
No, they didn’t. And when you tell yourself that, you make yourself a sucker.
Because when we tell ourselves that people who do terrible things cannot be human, we forget the logical implications of that; that only the inhuman are capable of doing terrible things.
And we’re human. We know this for sure. So therefore whatever we do, cannot be terrible. Because we’d know if we crossed that line, right? Our friends, our family, our coworkers… None of these people are inhuman. We know them, we talk to them, we care about them. So, logically, they could never be capable of anything truly monstrous. Because only monsters can be monstrous.
The Nazis were human. That’s the worst, and by far the most important lesson of the Holocaust. That humans did those things. That every single person you know is, under the right circumstances, capable of the most monstrous acts imaginable.
That’s why so many people cannot bring themselves to believe that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide; because they believe that only inhuman monsters can commit genocide, and they cannot call every person in Isreal an inhuman monster, can they?
It’s not our humanity that keeps us good. Goodness is not inherent, or God given, or born into us. It’s a choice we have to make, every single moment of every single day.
Every time you tell yourself that the worst people in the world aren’t really people, you make it just a little bit easier to cross those lines. To do something truly monstrous. Because the one thing you know for sure is that you are not a monster.
Hurrrrr
Trump withheld aid to Ukraine for personal favors. Trump supporters are evil morons.
Harris got 15 mill less than biden. Trump got same number of votes basically.
They just slept
America made it clear that they will not vote for a woman. Especially a woman of color. Fuck America
I suspected if she lost it was because she was a woman. Others are saying it was all Gaza and they didn’t vote in protest. A commentor replied to me showing the margins are like 10s of thousands in one state.
She seem way better than Hillary too. Hillary reminded me of my grandma but in all the bad ways.
Guess Trump may nuke the whales. Tried to nuke a hurricane.
Anyone who didn’t vote in protest needs to shut the fuck up now. I don’t wanna hear another damn word out of them regarding Gaza, or moralizing to the world. They will now get to see Gaza be dismantled.
They really stuck it to the Democratic party, hope they’re fucking happy that their solution to the Gaza situation is to accelerate wiping Palestinians from existence. Blood is on their hands now more than anyone that did the bare minimum to keep democracy alive.
Nobody learned the lesson from 2016. We can’t stick it to the dems until the GOP goes away.
I bet the dems are high fiving each other right now from all the donations they are going to get.
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We can’t change how people work, adopting republican policies and compromising your democratic policies decreases turnout with the base.
We can only tell the democratic politicians to do what they need to do to win, which isn’t triangulating yourself 2 inches to the left of the republican to try to chase “moderate republicans” who prefer diet fascism to the real thing.
The genocide will continue until moral improves.
Either that, or that America will not vote for the status quo again.
Trump is the status quo as well so apparently they will
He really, really isn’t.
No he really is. What is more status quo than a rich white guy as president with conservative values?
Trump is campaigning on making massive changes to American domestic and foreign policy. I don’t like the changes he’s pursuing, but he is absolutely not running on the status quo. And that is, in fact, exactly what won him the race.
If he was just running on the status quo, he wouldn’t be a threat to democracy. Deporting 20 million people isn’t the status quo. Repealing civil rights isn’t status quo. Attacking or ending NATO isn’t status quo. Abandoning Ukraine isn’t status quo. Befriending Russia isn’t status quo.
Yes, Trump is a conservative white guy. But type of thinking, focusing on identity groups and demographics, is what has got us here. Kamala herself is a historically novel nominee, she was new in terms of personal identity. But she wasn’t actually offering anything other than the same milquetoast centrism of Biden.
This is the problem. People are hurting. Trump actually had something to offer these people. He said, “elect me, I’ll throw out all the immigrants, and by doing so I’ll lower the cost of housing and increase wages!” It’s a horrible, evil, and long-term unproductive solution, but he was actually offering SOMETHING. Democrats offered no meaningful answers to the things people are actually hurting on. The only thing Democrats offered were wonky dismissals of economic concerns by citing official inflation numbers and calculated real wage gains. (Ignoring figures like ratio of median housing cost to median wage.)
People are in pain right now. People are on the edge, driven to the brink by late-stage capitalism. Biden was a milquetoast centrist, but he was able to barely eek out a win by running on a lot of progressive promises in 2020. He walked away from a lot of those commitments and governed as the centrist he is. Harris offered just more of the same. Neither offered real meaningful solutions and proved completely incapable of handling the crises at hand.
Trump again, he actually offered solutions, or at least something that seems like a solution. Like it or not, he WAS the change candidate of 2020. And that is what won him the election.
Well seems like he won twice on going back to the 1950s status quo.
That is NOT the status quo. You’re talking about someone promising to make utterly massive changes to US foreign and domestic policy. People are hurting for change, and if they can’t find that change on the left, they’ll find it on the right.
They just slept
Look at this snoozer. Absolutely sleepymaxxing. A bedtimepilled pillowcel. Got a blanket under his head just lost in the sleepy sauce.
The Democrat vote is ALWAYS 15 million below Biden’s RECORD popular vote number! Trump got HUGE numbers for a Republican. Do your homework, and stop trying to create a narrative using COVID numbers.
The narrative that people voted In the 2020 and chose not too in 2024? Doesn’t matter what dem numbers were in the past cause all it proves is how many people will consistently vote dem.
I’ll tell you what the shock really is me. People voted for Biden not because they hated Trump but something Biden had that dem candidates going back to 2008 didn’t have.
You are out of your mind
Which part?
Biden. People just wanted someone new in charge of COVID.
Well that’s something different he had from previous dems from. Dude lucked out with great timing that alone moved 15 million people to vote.
I know it wasn’t misogyny because John Kerry, Obama, and Harris were all in the 60 mil range.
You realize the US population gets bigger over time, right? There should always been more voters every year because we have more people every year.
The difference between 2020 election and all the others was sudden and large. Not population based.
Being that I’m not transgender or American I don’t think I can personally understand everything you’re feeling right now. All I can say is be strong for yourself, and your friends and family; we all need to support each other if we are going to get through this.
And a double fuck you to anyone who voted for Trump.
You’re still going to get fucked. The whole planet is going to get fucked. The MAGAs abolishing the EPA and going full-throttle on fossil fuels is going to make sure of that.
The climate is one thing that both would fuck the world.
That’s a done deal at this point. The Democratic party would have slowed the rate of increase, but given the tipping points we’ve already crossed, we require actual massive amounts of removal of greenhouse gases, and major geo-engineering projects to try and prevent everything coming our way from climate change.
This is less of a politics post, and more of a ‘we’re so fucked, and most people aren’t aware of how fucked we are that they think what the Democratic Party wants to do for climate would actually do a damn thing’
Seriously, at this point it would require a complete overhaul of both our political system and economic system such that life would be unrecognizable to forestall gigadeaths.
If China and India both go hard on climate action, that may be enough to turn it around. Because of their geographical position, they’re both much more firmly in the line of fire. But the US being out of the game for at least the next four years definitely makes things much, much harder.
Not even there.
All I have to say:
What…
The…
Fuck…
The only silver lining is that maybe the Republicans will just forget about trans people until it’s time to stoke the hate again for the next election.
But yeah, very disappointing result. The country was willing to vote in a twice impeached convicted felon (whose sentencing will be postposed indefinitely, I suspect) over a gasp! brown woman.
Exit polls show 12% of lgbtq voters voted for Trump. 12% of lgbtq voters voted to be jailed, castrated, and discriminated against by their country. That is not only terrifying but also embarrassing.
Jews for Hitler vibes.
It didn’t go well for them either. Being “one of the good ones” won’t save you.
My little vote was a piss in the ocean, but the DEMOCRAT PARTY had the power to run a good candidate, to fund a GREAT CAMPAIGN, but instead, they put Trump in power. It was so bad it has to be deliberate.
And they got you to blame ME for it. Your fellow citizen.
The power elites win.
PS. I voted for Kamala, but I hate this shit of you blaming individual voters, like they aren’t just trying to vote for a better life for themselves.
They can’t vote for a better life for themselves by not voting.
Surely you didn’t expect another 81+ Million democrat turnout like Biden got, did you? That will not happen again, not for a long time. It’s an outlier by a good bit. Even with the Libertarian and Green candidates it was ridiculous what happened last election, and is really only explained by Covid and people not having other things to do. Check out the link to Wikipedia popular vote numbers below, or just look at the graphic. It’s startling. You got as much as Democrats could give.
Massive Republican Turnout.
Well, provided you won’t get gas-chambered or something, there’s one good thing in this event - the electorate has shown that there’s no way DNC behaves in this arrogant “we know better and we won’t let anyone other than our bosses near power” and wins. First in 2016, second in 2024.
Then the next election might actually be the last with the existing system in your country. And this one might have been the last with the two old parties competing. I think it’s nice. Provided, again, … .
We are so fucked. The repercussions of this election are going to effect everything from SCOTUS to county courts. This is so utterly disgusting. People looked at the shit spewing from his mouth and said, “Yes, represent me.”
Fuck this country.
I hate this timeline
THIS is the bad place!
Looks like Trump is going to touch us all in the bad place.
Hopefully Chidi and Eleanor will save us all soon.
Even Jason figured this one out.
Forking orange shirtball
I thought we escaped the worst timeline where Trump won in 2020, but it seems we never left it. This is even worse… packed SC from the start, granted complete immunity right from the get-go…
My only solace is that people endure far worse and manage to find some level of happiness. So just gotta endure and take care of each other and our own and keep searching for daylight
If there’s any silver lining a meteor might hit us and put us out of our misery before we have to worry about wet bulb temperatures
There’s a good chance for another major pandemic, and we’re passing the global warming point of no return.
For better or worse, the US was the biggest player on the planet; now that we’ve fumbled, I think the world is done for. Maybe China could have risen to take the US’s place, but they’re stumbling toward an economic catastrophe, India has their own problems, and Russia is exposed as a bit player. The EU could have been a shining beacon, but they’re struggling with their own rise in fascism. Who else is there? A South American country? They’re barely holding on to their own economies. Canada? Too small - I mean, big country, but not very big population (1/10th of the US). And the US is big enough that when we go down, we’re going to drag a lot of the planet with us. Shit, thanks to Russia and Israel, we’ve been edging into WWIII. Trump’s senile enough to press the button, I have no doubt, and he’ll be completely surrounded by moronic Yes-men this time, with no one to try to talk sense into him. Maybe a relatively quick, fiery end would be better than a painful spiral.
We’re done as a planet. Some creatures will survive, but humans have used up all the readily available low-tech surface resources - oils, coals, metals - so anything that evolves intelligence after us won’t make it past the stone age. And then, the sun will die.
At least we have more solid evidence to the answer to Fermi’s paradox. It’d be a bigger question if we weren’t rushing toward our own extinction.
I’d thought the Great Filter would be a more formidable event than a reality TV host
Oh, man. That’d be a book. Or maybe a chapter in an alternate version of Hitchhiker’s.
It always turns out to be the equivalent of a reality show host.
Count us out. Canada has our own Trump wannabe lined up. He’s been like 20-30 points ahead and we’re no where close to election time.
Ontario the biggest province stayed home and didn’t bother to vote out the conservative premiere who has been fucking shit up. They all stayed home and handed him another majority. In a year or so we will elect our analog of Trump. Make no mistake he’s stocked the party full of MAGA and Proud Boys. I’m not being dramatic. It’s literally what it is. Within 4 years Canada will be openly aligned with Trump.
Yeah, I kinda figured when the truck convoy started out there you guys had your own problems.
And it hates us ❤️
So, I always thought it was just a mean bully thing to say, but, as a group, Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
America is a country full of stupid people.
This is happening all over the world. The USA are just a little further ahead compared to Europe.
That’s true, but whataboutism doesn’t help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn’t get any more obvious than that.
Yeah but so many people here didn’t vote for him and are just as appalled, so when we’re lumped in with the people who did vote for him that’s gonna make people pretty defensive
Yes, I get that of course. I’m sorry for you and every other US citizen that did not vote for him. I’m from Europe and still posted some anti-Trump stuff because I despise him and everything he stands for. I think he is a threat for the whole world.
Errr… México says hi, we elected the fascist one by a huge landslide and it’s been doing fascist things since day 1 so… Even when it’s extremely obvious, people will still pick the worst one if it has enough astrosurfing behind them.
We’re doing shit about it too, still acting as if the fascists party would listen to reason and not as their cult leader tells them to.I’m from Germany and here, too, the fascists are unfortunately on the rise again - despite our terrible past. I realize, of course, that you can’t talk sense to them because they simply ignore arguments and cling uncritically to the lies of their leaders. Nevertheless, I think the situation in the USA is somewhat different, because Trump was already president in pretty much everyone’s lifetime and has only made policy for the super-rich; he has also been convicted of fraud several times and has also enriched himself from the general public (the list goes on). You would think that those who are not die-hard fascists, of which there are probably many, would take this as an opportunity to see through his lies about a better life for the little people. But unfortunately that didn’t happen, I can’t for the life of me understand why not. I mean if you understand stupidity as the inability to learn from mistakes, it seems extremely stupid to me to vote for Trump even a second time.
You think people go around understanding and learning, trying to be better or to prevent others from suffering the same fate… but you are wrong, most humans are resentful assholes, who only care about themselves and are happy with all the astrosurfing and the chance to be assholes to others, I suffered because of X, so you have to suffer through Y while I laugh at you.
The same thing happened here in México, the puppet’s campaign was empty, just promising to keep doing what the expresident told her to… and that was enough to win, nobody cared for anything else, just the promise to bribe the lowest class and force the rest into lowering their life quality.
I’ve been saying this for a while, but they abuse that decent people try to be tolerant of them, not to make them angry or insult them, trying to be the reasonable ones… if we keep this way they are going to keep going with nobody standing up to them.
I don’t really want to accept it, but you’re probably right.
It’s not whataboutism when OC was the one saying it is a US specific issue
OC said America was full of stupid people. I can’t see how that means that the US would be the only country full of stupid people. Of course there are lots and lots of stupid people elsewhere. Pointing that out in the context of the US election sure sounds like whataboutism to me. My only point is that it does not make things any better just because there are other countries with similar issues. But I see what you mean and think you are right: maybe other countries can learn something from this debacle - I don’t have much hope anymore in that regard but we will see.
But the original comment, calling us all morons, is helpful?
No, of course not. It’s just that even people from other countries are pissed because the US elected Trump a second time. Now we have to deal with his horrible policies again. I personally think the man is a threat for the whole democratic world and because of his horrible positions on climate change and other issues even for the whole world.
And you’re right about all this, but calling us all idiots specifically is not helpful. Millions of Americans are incredibly upset by this. It will be disastrous and there’s not a fucking thing we can do. We voted and it didn’t matter.
I’m sorry if you took my comment that way. I’m really the very last person who wants to lump an entire country together. My point was simply that this election has once again shown that there are significant problems in the US (education, racism, corruption, inequality, etc.) that have allowed Trump to deceive the population yet again. To relativize now by pointing out that things are just as bad or even worse elsewhere in the world only distracts from the real issue in my opinion. Nevertheless, I wish you all the best and very much hope that you can somehow put a stop to Trump’s greed and his terrible ideology.
Way further ahead. Dude literally says he wants to be a dictator.
Only on day 1 haha. Gonna be something interesting to see happen. We should get bingo cards going for day 1
You go ahead and make bingo cards, I’ll be prepping for the civil war.
Thanks for trying to make us feel better, but…
That is simply not true. The extremely varied political landscape of Europe is not comparable to the US…
Wow almost like people are getting sick of being told what to do and how to think by the woke ideology.
Did we huwt youw feewings?
No. You acted as though u had the right to tell me what to do and that i was a bad for how i was born. U judged me by the colour of my skin not the quality if my charecter, and i dont like that.
If that’s what you think equity looks like then I’d say any judgement of your character was likely spot on.
Whats wrong with my understanding of equallity? Please elaborate
Waste of time since your ability to read seems low. Equality ≠ equity
Sorry you took our opposition to colonialism and white supremacy personally. Maybe you should think about why. That’s clearly not the intention.
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Oh okay, so trannies are your thing… whatever, colonialism and white supremacy were examples. You can say whatever you want, dude, and you clearly have on any number of occasions. Don’t mistake us calling you out for your bullshit for suppression of your free speech. As a self-proclaimed retard, I’m guessing you probably don’t fully understand the issues you’re talking about. I’d be more likely to call you ignorant, which is fine, because ignorance can be cured.
All we can see here is the quality of your character. And guess what
Was i talking about u (as in u personaly) or u as in ur ideology and its advocates i interact with irl?
U u u ur.
Learn how to spell.
If you’re not a queer person of color this comment is so insanely ironic.
Why must i be a queer person of colour? Sounds like ur saying im not allowed to think or say this without being a queer person of colour. Did u just prove my point?
No you troglodyte, I’m saying you’re proving theirs.
Can you define exactly what woke ideology is?
Woke ideology is a social and philosophical movement that prioritizes identity politics, cultural Marxism, and social constructivism.
It emphasises:
- The importance of group identity over individual identity
- The existence of systemic oppression and power imbalances
- The need to challenge and dismantle these systems
Basicly
- Language policing
- Cancel culture
- Moral absolutism
- Compliance and conformity
This then meads to:
- Intellectual suppression
- Censorship
- Social conformity
- Divisiveness
You can apply all of this to the Trump conservative movement, except that systemic oppression and power imbalances are treated as natural, and thus (at best) not something we need to be concerned about.
Really lets try it:
“The Trump conservative movement is a social and philosophical movement that prioritizes identity politics, cultural Marxism, and social constructivism.” - some guy on lemmy
I mean, Trump conservatism is clearly influenced and informed by post-modernist philosophy. Social constructivism is there in spades. Identity politics predate all of this and have been used by both sides extensively over time. Cultural Marxism… I’m not even sure what it is - sort of an amalgam of critical theory and (((them)))? Okay, you got me on that one.
Lmao did you just make that up yourself?
No i asked my uncensored ai
At least you admit you actually can’t think for yourself
Reads the term “Cultural Marxism”… stops reading.
Hey it’s uh like when you grow a beard that seems like Marx would like it.
I’m pretty sure if Marx had met hipsters then the fucker would’ve been clean shaven pretty quickly.
And block the fucker too.
I hear what you’re saying, but… I’m no blocker.
I guess u cant see this but enjoy ur echo chamber. Its been proven echo chambers make people more extremist.
Why u gonna engage with the ideas or just sit their brooding with a disapproving look?
Imagine I was hungry and you kindly served up a platter of exotic and mysterious food but right in the middle of it there was a festering lump of rotten meat… suddenly I wouldn’t be so hungry. That’s how I feel whenever I encounter that term. There’s no great bogeyman controlling things - it’s just that humanity is slowly moving away from its obsession with invisible sky men telling everyone how to live.
Somehow vague and semi specific at the same time. Just dressed up crybaby bullshit for “I can’t insult minorities with impunity anymore!”
Mkre bad faith insults really?
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Holy fuck, haha.
You are literally defining conservatives everywhere. Do you not fucking get it?
Get what?
And yeah the left and right of the political spectrum as well as the top and bottom are conjoined. Effectively the political spectrum is topologically a torus.
One thing I have noticed is that conservatives everywhere absolutely want to tell everyone else what to do, while crying like little snowflakes about ‘wokeism’ (and none of them can answer what it is).
Projection and all that.
If u could read u would see my definition in responce to the guy who asked. I really wouldnt consider myself a conservative either but since im not with you i must be your enemy.
Just thought I’d drop this little tidbit… I tagged you a while ago “likes the R word a lot”. People are so predictable.
Predictability doesnt make me wrong.
But being a bigot sure as shit does
Welp i havnt done that.
You argued in favor of using the R word after using it. It’s not really debatable.
To be fair, isn’t everywhere? Yeah I get it we have some real morons but the uneducated fucks that voted for Trump don’t define us
Sorry, we live in a democracy and the majority rules.
What point do you think you’re making?
That we are defined by them because we are a democracy, and pretending America is somehow good doesn’t change that.
I didn’t pretend America is good. It’s quite clearly a piece of shit. I won’t humor anymore snide bullshit because my point was very self evident
Yes, and I disagree with it. The uneducated fucks who voted for Trump most certainly define us.
51% of voters at least.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. 😭
Whatever helps you cope.
The Supreme Court will be changed for a generation. I’ll never see a moderate court again in my lifetime. Alito and Thomas will step down and Trump will appoint 40 year old partisans to the bench. The damage he is about to inflict on our institutions the next 2 years will be irreparable.
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Honestly, we were done after Gore.
2000 was the last time period we could have done something that wouldn’t result in unimaginable pain to deal with climate change.
Too many tipping points have already been crossed.
It should be noted here for younger people that the election was illegally stolen by the Republicans in Bush versus Gore. If that one thing hadn’t happened I believe we would be looking at a very different world today.
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Personally, it kinda feels like a weight’s been lifted. Now I can let go of the last shred of pretense of this country being anything other than a fat fucking joke.
You reap what you sow, America.
It’s going to be wild seeing the mass round-up of all the Latinos who voted for him.
you likely won’t see it, as freedom of the press will likely be one of the first things to go out the window
Oh no. You will see it. I deliver to quite a few businesses that have Latino employees on Visas waiting the required time for citizenship.
Couple of them were flabbergasted that I was voting for Harris, lol.
oh i know it’ll happen, and some people will see it. but it won’t be on any news feed, and if it is, they’ll just be labeled as “subversives” or something similar
everyone needs to take everything they thought they knew about this country and flush it down the toilet. because it’s gone.
Look how tight the labor market got when COVID took a million people out of the workforce. Trump’s talking about deporting 10 million workers and customers. You will absolutely see it, although it may be hard to connect the dots.
I know several. They think they’ll be spared for their green cards and citizenships. They don’t realize they are not Americans in the new sense of the word, and the rule of law has been suspended by the Supreme Court. They’re just further down the line. A fascist government needs “an enemy within”. They’ll keep churning through groups, redefining the enemy to hold on to power.
¿Qué esperabas? ¡Habla más alto! ¡No puedo oírte mientras te golpean en el autobús y te deportan!
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Lmao. You’re cute if you think fascists care about who is legal or not.
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You missed out the bit where your joke is funny.
All the immigrants in Springfield were legal, the response from Trump and others were “I don’t care”.
Look up the windrush scandal in the UK. They can just change the rules and if you can’t provide the required proof you’ll get deported.
They have plenty of tools to kick out legal citizens.
Check out Operation Wetback and Wetback 2. The US has already sent US citizens to Mexico for “looking too Mexican” with military operations, and towns have done it in the past 10 years all on their own.
You dumb fucks.
I was born just before Reagan was elected. Growing up, I got the mostly mistaken impression that America had some of its shit sorted from Vietnam, WWII, and all that 20th century turmoil. A period of stability. Upward trending society. Reagan undid a lot of that progress.
I’ve been watching this country die, slowly, for 45 years. This has been such a weird time to be alive. Fighting over scraps we volunteered to subsist on instead of overthrowing corrupt and cruel systems. We had periods we thought we were recovering. We had hope. I feel today like there isn’t any left. Another four years of this, and it will be worse.
He struck a fatal blow. He used the tools of fear and rhetoric to do it. The weakness was there, the vulnerability. And here is the next evolution of American fear. We’re a country voluntarily destroying itself out of fear of our imminent destruction. We had everything, and we gave it away.
We heard the call of the void, and we’ve answered.
I’m in shock… Good luck to you, American Democracy. It was nice knowing ya.
This time there’s no saying you didn’t know. This time there’s no saying “well more voters wanted different”. You get what you get, apparently enough people fall for “look over there” types of distractions in politics.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years. I know digital-age low-information fascism is on its way to Canada and I am definitely not ready.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years.
And all social progress has been set back 75 years.
90 years and in Germany.
This would be a very opportune time for the fediverse to be flourishing, because i dont see any single private company being able to provide a factual flow of information without getting blocked in the US.
Any folks on reddit wondering about this?
Kind of an unsatisfying but still well deserved “TOLD YOU SO” moment… I knew those fuckers would be moronic enough to vote for this shit faced fascist again, while everyone told me to expect a Harris landslide… The fact that everyone talked about fucking grocery prices, tech research, housing prices, kids, abortions, and other (in the grand scheme of things) irrelevant bullshit that won’t matter anymore, while we’re literally about to seal the deal on our fate as a species, tells you clearly that no one wants to understand where we’re headed and what’s at stake.
But since nothing matters anymore, here’s some more predictions from yours truly:
- The US will turn into a fascist state (Tankies: AcKcHyUaLlY… ☝🏻🤡)
- Ukraine is going to get fucked by Russia, genociding them for good. The only chance here would be if NATO went in to liberate Ukraine before Trump is inaugurated, but neither Biden nor the rest of the West is going to have the balls for that.
- Moldova will follow right after.
- Taiwan will get fucked by China.
- The world will fall into an economic crisis due to the fall of TSMC.
- The rise of far right extremism & politics will continue within Europe.
- NATO Alliance will be practically gone.
- Far right countries in Europe will join Russia.
- Russia & Friends will invade and annex the Baltic States.
- The world globally failing to do anything to curb emissions will fall into a climate collapse. Causing food and water shortages, severe natural disasters, millions upon millions of climate refugees - which will get shot at the borders due to the now far right policies. All other issues above will amplify with the world state worsening and becoming more and more unstable.
TLDR: Nothing fucking matters anymore, we’re done. Thanks, you dumb fucks.
It’s going to be a world war. They wrote my whole family’s fucking epitaph with this election.
Who’s going to war with whom? To me it seems more likely that all the countries are going to embrace totality peacefully.
Eh… I don’t know, man. I also see a darker future, but if Trump didn’t do anything like this in 2016, it won’t happen in 2024. He’s older, he’ll just want to play golf.
Edit: Downvoted. I just hope that the repubs get almost nothing of value done like they did in 2016-2020. Sucks that the abortion rights were taken away, sure. But they couldn’t repeal Obamacare or build their precious wall, all because they’re a bunch of incompetents. I hope it’s the same case this time around. I’m not too optimistic, but I can only hope.
They have the courts on their side now, along with the senate I think the house as well. They have a literal plan outlined on hundreds of pages on how to transform the US, which is not just Trump, but the majority of the Republican party - along with a bunch of outside influences.
Fuck. May Baphomet have mercy on our souls.
Trump alone isn’t as harmful as the republicans he represents. Trump will sign the bills the republicans bring him and he will mostly appoint republicans to positions of power and issue orders they tell him to.
On the plus side, liberals might come back from brunch and help resist certain bipartisan policies again. Deportations actually went down under Trump.
Trump will sign the bills the republicans bring him
Well shit!
Enjoy your erosion of rights dumbass.
Just shut the fuck up, man. Do you think I’m happy about all this? My rights have been eroded whether I like it or not. I’m just hoping that they are not eroded further. I don’t understand your stupid comment.
Unless I misunderstood you and you’re in fact a republican threatening me, in which case, doubly go fuck yourself.
No, you just sound like an idiot if you think shit is not going to hit the fucking fan. Day fucking one he’s deporting people. It’s going to get ugly. So stop making it seem like it’s going to be okay.
I just wished you stopped name-calling me since it makes you sound like a edgelord teen.
You’re entitled to your opinion. I understand that you’re angry. So am I. But I can’t do shit about what’s about to happen. So I prefer to remain hopeful and do whatever I can to continue supporting the communities that will be affected by what the majority of Americans legitimately decided in democracy.
I understand wanting to be hopeful, I’m trying too. What you said originally sounded like you’re downplaying all of this, and I’m assuming that’s why you got downvoted so much.
I hope supporting our communities will be enough for this next 2 to 4 years, but only time can tell.
And I’m sorry I called you a dumbass.
No harm done, brother. Infighting is precisely what they want us to do. Sorry I reached the way I reacted too.
But anyway, the whole situation sucks, and I’m very aware of that. I decided not to give that orange asshole any more attention than the strictly necessary. And in turn I’ll focus my energy on signaling strength to those who are too sad and scared for the future.
Hopefully he gets a hole in one >ω<
A liberal making measurable predictions? That’s new.
Ukraine is going to get fucked by Russia, genociding them for good.
- Genocide in Ukraine. “get fucked” isn’t very easy to measure.
Moldova will follow right after.
- Invasion of/genocide in Moldova are measurable
Taiwan will get fucked by China.
- Invasion of Taiwan. China invading China isn’t that farfetched.
The world will fall into an economic crisis due to the fall of TSMC.
- TSMC will fall or stop exporting chips.
The rise of far right extremism & politics will continue within Europe.
Come on, that’s like predicting the sun will rise.
NATO Alliance will be practically gone.
- How do we measure this? Reduction in military spending? Countries leaving NATO?
Russia & Friends will invade and annex the Baltic States.
- Invasion and annexation of the baltic states
The world globally failing to do anything to curb emissions will fall into a climate collapse. Causing food and water shortages, severe natural disasters, millions upon millions of climate refugees - which will get shot at the borders due to the now far right policies. All other issues above will amplify with the world state worsening and becoming more and more unstable.
Predicting a train that’s going off a cliff will continue to go off that cliff.
OK, we have 5, maybe 6 testable predictions. Do you want to give a timeframe so if they don’t happen, you can go back an analyze what caused you to believe these things at the time?
A liberal making measurable predictions? That’s new.
I don’t care about free markets.
How do we measure this? Reduction in military spending? Countries leaving NATO?
The US potentially leaves, and / or NATO members won’t actually uphold their promise to defend something like the Baltics, or only through token measures, moving the red line from Russia’s side further and further.
Predicting a train that’s going off a cliff will continue to go off that cliff.
Oh please. Even now you’re unsure on whether you want to call me a doomer or agree with my points. A bit earlier and it would’ve been the former.
Oh please. Even now you’re unsure on whether you want to call me a doomer or agree with my points.
The US continuing to do nothing about climate change, continuing to take a fascist approach to refugees, and Europe maintaining the conditions for the far right to continue to rise isn’t agreeable or doomer, it’s just obvious.
You’ve got a bunch of things that are so absurdly off base I can only hope you go back and critically examine how you were lead to believe them, two things that might happen if the US forces it, and then “and the sky will remain blue”.
You’ve got a bunch of things that are so absurdly off base I can only hope you go back and critically examine how you were lead to believe them
That’s absolutely hysterical to hear from a Ruscist / Tankie.
OK, so do we have any timeframes where you’ll go back and say “Huh, so Russia didn’t genocide Ukraine and then invade the baltics and Moldova, and NATO still exists, what did I misunderstand before and what can I do so I don’t get fooled again?”
Ruscist
The fall of the USSR was one of the greatest non-war-related humanitarian disasters of the 20th century by life-expectancy, infant mortality, alcoholism, really any metric except oil exports, do you really think I have any positive feelings towards the guys who orchestrated it and are wearing its corpse?
Tankie
Learning history and dialectical materialism is like having a crystal ball compared to an idealist understanding of history.
Thanks for proving my point oh so wonderfully.
(Tankies: AcKcHyUaLlY… ☝🏻🤡)
This is you.
I voted for Harris but I can’t help but feel democrats did this to themselves. We’ve held a decent amount of power over the last 20 years but have done shockingly little. Just slowly letting our country dry and shrivel, leaving people increasingly desperate. Times like these make people seek change, ANY CHANGE, including voting for a dictator. Status-quo politics will fail every time during times like these. Who wants to die slowly?
All authoritarian countries are born from desperation. Chinese communist party, Nazi Germany, the USSR, Iran, North Korea and soon America.
They absolutely did. Harris couldn’t even commit to keeping Lina Khan on board.
Democrats are allergic to success.
Yeah, I think a lot of dem voters have grown really apathetic. Democrat leaders hardly do anything so there’s a sense of pointlessness. It feels like their pitch is “we’re gonna fix everything by doing nothing! Trust us guys it’s gonna work this time!”. Trump says a bunch of bat shit crazy stuff that at least makes seem hes committed. I think that’s the key here.
Because Democrats wanted to not look partisan instead of actually doing something with their majority
Exactly this. And if you point it out, you’ll get all these reasons why it was impossible for Dems because of X, Y and Z, but deathly silence when it comes to “well but why were the Rs able to accomplish so much”? They’re managing to get people into office and do things while the Dems constantly flounder - which leads to even worse election results as constituents lose more faith in their ability to lead.
It’s a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Dems are ineffectual, so they struggle to win elections, so they struggle to have the power to do anything, thus looking like continued failures and ensuring more losses down the line.
The whole party needs to be severely gutted and reborn. Or a third party needs to rise up and start speaking for the average progressive voice that’s not being heard anymore.
It leads to apathetic voters too, democrats who dont bother voting because they figure it won’t change anything.
The dems have an identity crisis, they are so aggravatingly centrist in an attempt to swing votes, that they’ve become incredibly passive in their approach. Republicans are determined to completely restructure America according to their ideology. Dems are so politically inclusive in their approach, trying to cater to “far left”, left, centrist AND slight right conservative that they are paralyzed concerning policy. The very best thing they can do is a 5% tax cut for the working class? Seriously?
I think if they went further left with candidates like Bernie, existing dems would be much more compelled to go out and vote. Right now they have zero commitment, almost none of Biden’s policies came to fruition.
Watching the count last night, I remarked to my friend that Democrats lost people in the middle—the undecided voters whose existence I struggled to understand a few months ago—because they don’t actually have any principles and convictions; if they did, they’d eventually have to address issues that neoliberal capitalists want people to ignore, so they remain ineffectual and uninspiring.
Thus, white middle-class centrists who don’t actually comprehend the threat to minority groups drifted back into their nostalgic dreams of ‘smaller government’ and ‘lower taxes’, regardless of being presented no evidence those things will be delivered. In their minds, those theoretical ideals are more exciting than another establishment Democrat with no values who does nothing to speak to their woes.
Ah yes voting for a dictator is indeed innocent and blameless.
Literally nobody said that.
Moving to the right is a failed strategy. You will never be able to accept that.
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I have never attempted to get anyone to vote third party. Not once.
We have lost, democracy has lost, today the American people have lost to tyranny. All the Americans can do now is collect themselves and reorganize, the next four years will be the toughest years in American history and its effects will ripple across the world.
Where I was wrong was with how narrow the result would he. It wasn’t even Gore v Bush levels of close unlike when Lichtman’s 13 keys prediction previously failed. Kamala lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that tried to usurp democracy and is the reason why abortion is no longer a federal right. The Republicans spent the last few weeks crapping on Haitians and Puerto Ricans, yet won some districts with large Latino populations.
This is what happens when Democrats ignore their voter base and choose a cabal of unpopular and uncharismatic candidates to carry the torch. The bar is now so low that we need James Cameron to venture out into the Mariana Trench and lift it back up again…
Harris was popular when she first announced. She then proceeded to run to the cold dead embrace of the Biden campaign.
Progressive policy is more popular than any candidate, if they focused on rent control, free healthcare, free childcare, free college and other immediate, material improvements to people’s conditions, they’d have won in a landslide. Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
Harris was popular when she first announced.
I don’t think she was popular when first announced, rather the fact that not-Biden was popular.
Absolutely.
I’m convinced that Biden would have won.
I personally believe that this is not Biden’s or Kamala’s fault. It’s the old-school Democrat establishment’s fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections. Lichtman predicted a Biden win, bad debate performance and all, and the dems fucked it up.
To be transparent, I still believed Lichtman when he said Harris would win. I will never believe in his stuff again, unless he adds new keys or something.
I personally believe that this is not Biden’s or Kamala’s fault. It’s the old-school Democrat establishment’s fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections.
Yes. Every time, even in 2020 when the mood of the country was very different, they are afraid to run anything other than center-right candidates because they “aren’t electable”. Guess what - your corporatist center-right candidates are consistently priming people to receive the protectionist messages from the fascists, Maybe fucking try something different some time, fucking DNC!
OK, the next question is: How do we convey this to liberals who think we want the dems to lose?
In the words of my boomer mother, “Things aren’t going to get better until the boomers die off.”
It’s probably not even boomers anymore. This community, full of everything from hardcore progressives to literal communists, has gone feral defending Harris’s disaster of a campaign. You couldn’t, and still can’t, call the DNC out for running a horrible candidate with a horrible (nonexistent) platform without being called a troll or a Russian bot. The new generation fell for the two party system hook, line and sinker.
I think y’all just need to come to terms that America is further right than the Democrat party, and the Democratic party moving left is not going to help them.
the Democratic party moving left is not going to help them.
How would we know that? They’ve never tried.
Because there’s no point flirting with the non-existent further left.
Huh? Obama won by getting leftist votes so that clearly isn’t true.
What leftist votes and in what numbers?
Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren’t in the bag for Trump.
YES! I held my nose and voted for her, she turned her back on everything that looked like hope and change during her campaign. Her reaction to R looking weak was to jump to the right, somehow.
Having said that, anyone who needed to be wooed to not vote for Trump was a lost cause, but she literally turned away from every sort of policy decision that excites Democrats.
No she didn’t
California Proposition 33. Repeals ban on local rent controls.
61.6% No · 52% reporting
That’s bizarre, were people confused by the wording? Was there a media blitz by local landlords? More people are renters than landlords so obviously the majority doesn’t want rent to be higher.
There was a massive media campaign against it. Every other political ad on tv was against it .
Progressive policies are popular until billionaires spend millions of dollars convincing people that the world will end if we help poor people a bit.
That’s true, we need a strategy to deal with the media.
The same thing could be observed when even the most right-wing democrats in 2020 were saying we need police reform, and in 2022, they were all talking about a made-up crime wave, or how every election until now, reliable dem voters understood immigration is a net positive for society, but suddenly they’re talking about how Kamala is going to secure the border
I think inflation is the biggest part of why Trump won. People wrongly blamed Biden for it. I guess we’ll just have to learn some lessons again.
People learned a lesson the first time?!
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around? As an outsider it’s honestly just crazy to me that the difference can be so huge, almost unimaginable.
Even if it were - what are we gonna do about it? After shitting all over the place with their BS for the past four years, claiming an election is stolen has risen to “jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” levels.
There would need to be a 4k video of Trump and cronies detailing exactly how they were going to do it, and every detail would need to be easily verified, and even then I’m not sure it would get enough traction to matter.
I don’t really think so, I think the Trump campaign is as surprised as the rest of us. Their plan to steal the election hinged on them calling the results into question and contesting the whole thing through the Trump-friendly Supreme Court.
I wonder if any of them are disappointed. They were planning for a coup, but they were given power freely.
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around?
There’s always a chance of almost anything, but it is very slim (conspiracy theory) with no evidence to support it:
“Importantly, we have no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure,” per the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director Jen Easterly.
Source: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/statement-cisa-director-easterly-security-2024-elections
We still don’t know what their “little secret” is.
Congratu-fucking-lations
