Makes the problems of capitalism even worse. Instead of the owner class you get an even smaller political class controlling all means of production - the party leadership. It becomes even more prone to corruption than capitalism.
Adding to problems is the planned economy - it always results in misaligned incentives, bad allocation of resources, constant shortages…
Third, possibly the worst, is the constant insistence on ideological purity and severe punishment of “thought crimes”. Or as they like to call it “counterrevolutionary activity”.
Even though it was created out of good intentions, I don’t believe a lot positive aspects can be salvaged.
Lemmy always beating the socialist drum, yet I’ve never once had an answer as to how socialism prevents power and money from being concentrated at the top. Communism is the even worse version.
There’s a lot of propaganda.
I struggle to grasp how it’s supposed to be applied in reality. People are always going to be assholes and abuse the system.
I’m willing to try it, capitalism sucks!!!
Definitely one of the fastest way to start arguments, especially among people left-of-center.
No, it’s not!
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Communism sounds amazing on paper, but immediately falls apart once people try to implement it, because it inevitably just becomes a dictatorship with even more hunger than fascism. Human nature undermines a perfect world where Communism is possible. C’est la vie.
Humans aren’t mature enough to handle it.
Speaking of maturity, when we were kids, my mother told me and my brother to share stuff, like split food in equal proprotions, because like… we’re supposed to be equal to each other. Guess why we have fights every fucking day lol. He always say its not fair or some shit.
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I don’t see what this has to do with my comment.
What do you mean
I mean, that the larger the group, the more assholes you will find in that group. Communism works great for families, and households. They look out for and support each other without keeping financial logs of who owes what.
Try to do that on a country wide scale, and there will be people whining that they don’t have enough, or they do too much, or that others deserve less, and they will lie and cheat and manipulate their way into getting more and more and more.
It’s a great system, far too good for us stupid, selfish humans to ever accomplish.
We already have some communism implemented there is cooperatives, communal gardens , the fediverse. I think private companies should be allowed to exists but cooperatives should be more encouraged. I believe we should have a state and the concept of money too
Reasonable
Does not scale well.
A lot of these comments are the classical “it works only on paper” bullshit or the “it always fails” schtick as if it has been tried in a void and not with constant assault from capitalist superpowers and the oligarchs that control those countries. Or what the countries looked like before revolution. Many cases of increased life expectancy, quality of life increases, and lowered infant mortality rates after communist or socialist regimes are installed. Even with capitalists and the countries they control doing literally everything they can to destroy the lives of the people within these countries to fit a narrative. Many of you are way oversimplifying things with preloaded phrases straight out of McCarthyism and it’s really depressing.
If Communism can’t survive or requires totalitarian despotism in the presence of capitalist countries, then it’s an unfit system of government. Governments need to be able survive outside challenges.
“Communism hasn’t been properly tried” is the real bullshit. It doesn’t work, and devolves quickly to authoritarianism.
Yeah I’m sure all the countries involved in operation CONDOR would love that take.
All states are authoritarian my friend. I would simply rather authority be wielded by the working class.
Communism did that when starting with fuedelism or other tyranical systems. when starting with clasical liberal societies it doesn’t improve much. There has never been a capitalist society so who knows how that would fare.
Fuck it, let’s try literally anything except capitalism
Only way forward
Irrelevant. Would cause tonns of needless deaths if there would be another attempt to implement it.
No political ideology would be able to radially change things for better as human beings peaked on their capabilities. Further progress is impossible without some sort of technological breakthrough, and a political system that would resolve around it.
In theory? Pretty good. In the Marx-written demands of the Communist Party, it emphasizes democracy, education, and equality.
I would gladly vote for a communist with similar policies.
Humans are inherently evil. Communism is a beautiful thought experiment that works really well in small select groups, but fails to tolerate the inherent evils that befall it when it begins to scale.
I love it as an idea. I’d love for it to work. Unfortunately, it’s just yet another experiment that falls victim to the “imagine a spherical cow” kind of thinking.
It’s inspired many good ideas, though, that do work. Marx had many good points.
Don’t be daft. Humans aren’t evil, we simply didn’t evolve to care about anyone outside our Monkeysphere. Give that a read, what do you think? I’ve never read anything that gives such solid explanations for so much of human behavior.
The study: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/brv.12730 for those not interested in a cracked pop-sci article.
Table 5, I think, is what the pop-sci takeaway is coming from, which is quite an oversimplification. The idea that “150 people” is what humans can understand is, IMO, a misinterpretation of the study. The study refers to multi-tiered groups ranging from ‘Band’ (~45.5) to ‘Tribe’ (~1350.4) based on the degrees of intelligence, cooperation, etc of the members.
If it’s even relevant, it supports the points I raised that communism is a theory that works well only in small select groups, though I would argue it’s probably correlation and not causation in this case. At least until we have evidence of other primates practicing political theory.
