I don’t quite understand the criticism. It’s not gonna be top of the line, but it’s more than enough to replace my dying laptop from 2015 that I pretty much only ever use like a desktop anyway. And I can save myself the time and effort of picking parts, building, and dealing with shit not working as expected.
It’s always the fucking suits.
But then they only manage to make dissident movements bigger.
COD is going to beg to be let onto the Steam marketplace.
And it’s gonna be great.
In all honesty, I think it might be overall better if games like Fortnite, CoD or Fifa never get patched for Linux. The vast majority of their players are just addicts who fell victim to the predatory mechanisms. One of the few effective solutions is to cut them off this stuff.
Ideally, these games shouldn’t exist, at least not in their current form. But it’s not like billionaire sociopaths will stop feeding on the weak and poor anytime soon.
The vast majority of their players are just addicts who fell victim to the predatory mechanisms.
I don’t play Fortnite, but the only players I know are kids, and they just play it because that’s what everyone else is playing and they want to play with their friends. I’m not excusing the company for monetizing the shit out of it, but (anecdotally) the players’ behaviour just reminds me of me and my friends playing Dooms, UTs, or Quakes back in the day.
Remember when Linux was about freedom? If the OS lets me delete root recursively, it can also let me play slop. It’s not my mom.
Linux isn’t stopping you from playing that slop, it’s just to sloppy to work on Linux.
they are not games they are slop that normies consume.
That’s the only thing I worry about personally, not the users so much, but the capitalists who see “opportunity” once Linux gains a hold, and start figuring out how to make it disgusting like everything else they touch with their greedy little slop mitts.
It won’t be “Well, Linux doesn’t permit anticheat”, it will be
“Okay how do we create some centralized power structure that makes invasive DRM and anticheat that runs on Linux?”
And they’ll move to colonize.
There are already anti cheat options on Linux. They just don’t put any dev time into them because it’s a small market currently.
EAC works fine enough, and it turns off when the game is off, and should uninstall with the game, so people don’t hate it so much.
But I dropped all interest in Helldivers 2 because of that crap, which sucks because it seemed like such a fun game. And I’m not touching anything Riot for the same reason. These “just trust us bro” always-on, deeply embedded rootkits are just unethical.
That is too far even for taking school tests, it’s indefensible and absolutely nonsense for a game.
It’s definitely something I can see both sides of though. It would suck to put a huge chunk of time and effort into a multiplayer game just to have cheaters ruin it for everyone on launch. Any game that isn’t moderated or making effort to deter them gets overrun quickly.
I don’t understand the mentality that drives people to buy cheats just to feel better about themselves, but it’s clearly there.
TBH though…I don’t remember stuff being this bad when private servers were more of a thing. Battlefield 2 / 2142 / 3 / 4 had ranked vs. unranked servers. The good private-run ones had mods to ban cheaters, the ranked ones had stricter enforcement. It seemed fine and we had fun…
Maybe I’m missing something…
Embrace, Expand, Extinguish.
While I don’t like these games either, I think it would be better for them to support Linux, so all users can enjoy the games they want.
Let’s not forget the whole Counter-Strike economy is based on gambling, which I think is also not good, especially because there’s a lot of young kids picking that up and becoming gambling addicts, which I think is a net negative for people.
Edit: People make games did a deep dive on this, as did Coffeezilla did a series on the whole ecosystem.
Oh wow I haven’t played since the original Source. I thought you were just talking about how you had to manage an equipment budget in a match. But no, legit gambling scheme with real time and money for what amounts to NFTs that can only be used within Steam’s ecosystem.
Yeah, it’s a bit of a black mark on valve however I imagine it prints a lot of money and they seem reticent to put an end to it.
They could sell it as a machine that protects your privacy and prevents any privacy invasive software from running in it
wont play cod cause it has an ewaste gpu anyway.
People are playing cod with igpus xd
The “Linux has no games” argument in a nutshell.
It can install windows. Just dualboot COD
How does one dual boot Call Of Duty?
Replace systemd with COD on wine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InitDo these for whatever windows equivalent is.
Hope this helps. 👍
If it does not work on Linux I simply won’t buy it.
Yes, the same. It being the machine of course
Machine, software, peripheral, whatever.
The thing is this is a legitimate problem for the overall success of this. And the success of Linux as a general gaming OS. If people can’t play their staples like CoD or fortnite or anything else with this problem, then that’ll be enough to decide not to get this. Most people here probably don’t care, but we’re not the majority. And a lot of us probably aren’t in the market for this anyway.
This is the general sentiment I’ve been hearing, though surprisingly a lot of people belive that these games will eventually reach steam machine anyway because it seems stupid to them that it never happens.
I didn’t expect it, but a lot of Xbox players I know are considering saving up for the steam machine because it replaces their need for a console + PC for games, and they are aware that Xbox has been pretty open to putting their games on PC anyway. Some even considered Nintendo emulation which is defnitley something I didn’t expect to see from Xbox only players.
Halo Infinite and MCC run just fine on Linux. If they were comfortable letting their core IP on steam, it would be easy and probably beneficial for MSFT to do the same for CoD.
I think the main holdout will be Epic Games, simply because they want to be a competitor to steam and they seem to hate the idea of giving valve any leverage in the gaming industry.
Boycott the Call of Duty mines.
This.
Exactly. Another lemming made a fantastic quip to this effect, claiming that consoles and windows are performing “SCP level containment” for the rest of us. Let them have CoD.
Yeah, but we know that Linux people would cheer and praise those games if Linux support was suddenly added
RIP BSD.
You can literally install windows on it if you want
It makes no sense to me not allowing anticheat on unmotivated steamOS…
I mean, valve could even build something in, like secure mode, where you have a secure little linux root system for each anticheat game together with a online hash to check against this hole separated file system
Like when you start the game, steamOS boots in this separate root system
Unmotivated? Its a literal checkbox in the anticheats that games package to enable running in Proton. This is not Valve’s responsibility, but idiot or lazy game companies/devs.
Secure boot is what I think you’re thinking of because of Battlefield 6. But as I understand from just skimming it, its handled a bit differently in Linux than Windows, so unsure of how that could be handled or adapted for native Windows games.
Haha, unmodified, of course
Yea, no, was more thinking, if devs don’t trust anticheat with proton, they may trust Valve implementing a console style semi-ROM filesystem on a secure separate partition that is only writable with secret key from valve in some sort and the game is installed there in symlink style, but anticheat is built into that semi-ROM.
Like a Linux-Subsystem-Console
I am just writing showering thoughts, I don’t play games that require anticheat software…
Anti-cheat, even kernel level anti-cheat has worked on Linux for a very long time. Some of the most popular products used by AAA have been available for years. They just intentionally refuse to make their products work on Linux.
Remember Genshin Impact, for example. It literally has an internal flag that instantly closes the game if it detects it is running on Linux. There’s no technical limitation for any of those big multiplayer titles from working, they just don’t want them to.
You don’t use Linux because of kernel anti-cheats
I don’t play CoD because kernel anti-cheats
We are not the same
I do both!
On Linux?
I use FreeBSD btw!
