“NON-GMO”
Proceeds to use banana…
I agree that most anti-GMO stances are silly, but Cavendish bananas aren’t GMO. (The history of major banana cultivars is super interesting, though!)
Yes, but can us Pro-GMO get Gros Michels back into production? I’ll let Monsanto inject me with 5G Tylenol vaccines for the rebirth of those yellow fatties.
Why go back? I’m sure we can make an even more delicious banana. Actually I’m pretty sure we have, like the gold finger banana
https://fhia.org.hn/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/fhia01.pdf
For those interested in the taste and such. The Wikipedia didn’t really describe it but linked to this.
Aaand the “brand-new sentence” award of the day goes to…
Almost all food crops are GMO through the practice of selective breeding. Bananas have been altered to be sterile, seedless, and have larger edible fruit.
Oh, totally agreed. It’s just not in the way the person in the post cares about.
Selective breeding isnt GMO tho. Gmo is modifying genetics directly. Selective breeding is manipulativing the natural processes and hoping the offspring carried the desired genes. Its like saying placing bets on a roulette table is investing.
Selective breeding isnt GMO tho
The definition of a genetically modified organism (GMO) is not clear and varies widely between countries, international bodies, and other communities. At its broadest, the definition of a GMO can include anything that has had its genes altered, including by nature. Taking a less broad view, it can encompass every organism that has had its genes altered by humans, which would include all crops and livestock
Going by the second sense of the definition in the excerpt you shared, every human-domesticated plant or animal is GMO. And that is not exclusive to bananas.
Which again begs the question why the Original Commenter (OC) would make this distinction in the first place.
I mean, the line between gambling and investing is a lot thinner than most people would like to believe.
Actually I’d say that investing is gambling, and selective breeding is a form of genetic engineering.
Investing isnt gambling because if you had all the knowledge of the world, you could guarantee to “win” every single time. Its practically just predicting the future. While gambling, is pretty much a random event, some games may allow for some prediction (such as card counting), but casinos ussually thwart that by constantly introducing more randomness.
Thats the same analogous for selective breeding. You have some idea what could happen, because at the very least you know the offspring will a random selection of genes from their parents, but you can never predict which genes. But in genetic engineering, you know exactly what genes you’re targeting, and how and where those genes will be expressed.
Perfect knowledge still doesn’t fix insolvency, fraud, or outright irrational actors. Tell me you haven’t ever touched the stock market without telling me you have never touched the stock market.
I mean it would… but good job at missing the point
Except perfect knowledge of the world isn’t possible and there is sufficient complexity in the systems that lead to stock value changing to make it effectively random luck whether any particular investment will pay off (you’ve invested heavily into office real estate; welcome to the global pandemic and the rise of remote work).
Selective breeding doesn’t care which genes are in play, it is outcome orientated. The result is the same, genes that don’t give the desired result are filtered out, genes leading to the desired result are promoted. The fact that you aren’t targeting specific genes doesn’t matter.
you’ve invested heavily into office real estate; welcome to the global pandemic and the rise of remote work).
Except youre also a big executive at your company and you tell all your peasants workers to go back to the office. And you collaborate with your rich friends to do the same and rake in all the cash.
But that doesnt change anything. Any amount of knowledge gives your a advantage because it reduces risk. A roulette table has the same amount of risk everytime because the previous spins has zero effect of the future.
Selective breeding doesn’t care which genes are in play, it is outcome orientated. The result is the same, genes that don’t give the desired result are filtered out, genes leading to the desired result are promoted.
Right… but it took humans ~5000 years to breed corn. Perhaps millions if not billions of iterations. And it was all random chance that the offsprings resulted with desirablity traits. There is a reason farmers dont grow apple trees by seed anymore. Noone can guarantee the offspring will produce quality apples, and it takes a decade to produce apples.
but Cavendish bananas aren’t GMO
They are. We took something barely edible in nature and bred it to the point where it’s a tasty treat. It’s a perfect example of GMO.
I would like to believe people like this don’t exist. But sadly, they do.
Think of the average person. Half the population is dumber than that.
Average is sensitive to outliers, it is possible more than half is below it (or above).
You want median.
I was paraphrasing a George Carlin joke:
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
true for smaller sample sizes, but for large normally-distributed sets, such as “all people,” the mean and median will be pretty much identical. when you take a larger sample, it’s more likely that an outlier on one end will be balanced out by a similar outlier on the other end. e.g. when you measure the height of 50 people, you might happen to end up with one person who’s 6’8" and have to account for that, but when you measure the height of 50,000 people, you’re more likely to also have someone who’s 4’4"
This seems like a troll, because there are other (better) egg substitutes that a vegan would likely already know of.
I don’t know. I was vegan for a good 10 years and during that time met a lot of really stupid vegans. They’re not the majority, but they’re out there.
Yes, and even then, I have met some amazingly smart and successful people whose lifestyle-become-creed has led them into some amazingly stupid situations. Including a few vegans.
We are all stupid at some point in our lives at some things.
100%, I’m frequently stupid about things!
What’s the term? Nobel syndrome, where someone who may very well be an outright genius in their specialty is stupid in anything else. I may be stupid but at least I don’t let my ego blind me just cause I’m vaguely competent at a scattering of things.
wait… chicken parmesan is not vegan?
Fair point. I guess I figured at least flax seed would be a given, as even I know about it (and I’m not vegan).
In the same way that not everyone is a competent cook, not all vegans are competent cooks. I don’t find it too surprising that someone might naively think “banana in this custard would be nice” without grasping that the egg is structurally important for the dish rather than for flavor or protein.
Mashed banana is a good substitute for egg in lots of baking recipe, like cakes and such, but for custard it wouldn’t work at all, cornflour is probably what they want to use, or something along those lines. A thickening agent.
I tried a recipe for a cake but I substituted the dry ingredients for buns because they’re already baked, I replaced the chocolate with burger, and I replaced the frosting with sauce. Can anyone explain to me why my cake tastes like a hamburger now?
It’s because of the oven, can’t you read ?
The good thing is that bananas have no bones.
I only ever buy boneless bananas. It’s a good thing, too, as I’ve never been able to find bone-in bananas before at the grocery store.
Veganism is a cult. You can’t change my mind.
Veganism is a specific version of ethics/morality, extended to other organisms beyond humans.
Other specific versions of ethics/morality in the world exist, like religion, political ideologies, cultural norms, etc.
On a philosophical level, it’s not different in that regard.
You’re just trying to scare bait people from having an open mind about the tradition
Veganism is ethical. Vegans can be stupid the same way carnivores can be. This reductive belief system may work in a world without critical thinking but I find your comment just as stupid as the one in this post.
There are vegans and then there are militant vegans. And those militant ones tend to be new to veganism. Or they are just straight up assholes.
But the few vegans I have known were very nice people and you wouldn’t know they were vegans if you weren’t swapping recipes with them.
I like the militant ones. it’s the evangelistic ones that bother me.
All ethics-based movements benefit when their constituents adopt all sorts of different roles to achieve the movements’ aims.
Look at MLK Jr., Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers. Different sides of the Civil Rights Movement, but all equally valid as they each apply pressure in different ways to bring about change.
Militant vegans are needed just as much as peaceful ones.
Weirdly enough a mashed banana can be an egg substitute for the right recipe.
My Wife has celiac, so no gluten for her. So when looking for gluten free recipes, we often come across full on vegan recipes with substitutes. A mashed banana for eggs is one of them.
It might work where the egg is not meant to set, where it’s basically a binder. But if it is meant to set or firm up then best to use something else. As an aside, my two kids are celiac and there is some really weird substitutes for wheat flour in some products. Anyone who thinks gluten free is somehow healthier should read the ingredients labels.
I didn’t say it was a good sub in all cases. Just that it is a valid one for many.
Sarah the Subtle Savage
I love it when people who represent a company (or in this case, a website) are smartasses to customers. I work with the public, and many times I’ve wanted to tell someone off but I don’t want to get in shit with upper management. My direct manager would support me but the higher ups definitely wouldn’t. Today actually I said to a coworker that I wanted to tell off a lady I was just dealing with but couldn’t. The lady was pretending she knew everything (that’s not how you do things, you’re wrong it’s this way, etc) and I very nearly said “I didn’t realize you work here” or something less pleasant but decided against it last second.
I learned a long time ago that there are customers you cannot afford to have. They cost more than they are worth to keep. And on occasions, I have told them off to make them go away.
The majority of customers do need courtesy and understanding. But there are those few that don’t.
I think the egg functions as a thickener in there, so some kind of starch or maybe a vegan gelatin would work.
would banana work?
Probably not. It’s high in starch but not a great thickener, and it doesn’t set.
Yes, replace the starch with a banana and more starch.
Pectic is the vegan gelatin you’re referring to. Usually vegans can find that in packets like gelatin from the store, although another source is from chia or flax seeds.
You soak the seeds in water for probably 1-2 hours, and the liquid as a result contains the pectin from the seeds.
Pectin like this and bananas (or often apple sauce) likely emulate eggs the best. You get the binding power from the seeds, and the wetness from the bananas/apple sauce
Not in an egg custard. That’s an egg / milk dish.
Well, obviously you’re taking liberties. You could come up with something broadly similar though. Coconut milk and starch probably.
Yes, it’s likely possible to find some vegan equivalent that matches a custard. Might take some trial and error, but someone will do (or likely has done) it.
It’s unfortunate to see omnis in chat gatekeep this food. Like, sure it won’t be 100% the same, but it’s more inclusive to have vegan alternatives than to not have them. We can all better relate that way, and uk avoid tribe mentality
Mashed bananas and scrambled eggs are the same!
they both look like monkey vomit.
Monkey vomit is just mashed banana with extra steps
*Massed banana
Purchased a bunch at church.
I feel like you should at least have the ingredients that are in the name of the dish.
To be fair in MOST things baking substituting some banana, pumpkin, applesauce, etc. for egg will work fine (and impart some flavor so, pick which one works for what you’re doing) but in an uhh egg custard… well… That is a bit different. (Really I would probably just use like potato starch to get something that would set correctly, but you would need to adjust flavor if you wanted to get it close since that won’t give egg flavor.)
In recipes that have egg as the star ingredient I add just a teeny pinch of kala namak, it adds a bit of the background sulfur flavor. I’m allergic to egg whites, but honestly I’m not sure I’d even bother with an egg custard. There are plenty of alternative desserts that dont need to be a vegan dish that’s 80% starch lol
Crab Rangoon begs to differ, but that is an extreme example
Tartar sauce enters the room.
I forgot about cream of tartar and thought you were a cannibal for a second.
I thought they was a lamb if they from Tartary
There is also the dish “tartare”, which I would be really surprised if they didn’t share some entomology with the region/people and the claims involved.
Iirc, it’s named after the concept of mongols putting a piece of tough meat under their saddles and riding on it all day to tenderize it. That’s actually where the name for tartar sauce comes from, because it was an accompaniment to the dish.
Egg cream, too.
Lobster sauce sends its regards.
Pumpkin spice says hello
Monkey gland sauce has entered the chat.
Monkey bread, too
Welsh rarebit has entered the chat.
It blows my mind that there is no raccoon in this dish…
Theseus’ recipe. How many ingredients can you replace before it’s a different dish?
In this case one
How can you call out a sail boat when it’s got no sails?!
🤷 It’s for everything else. Why isn’t it sailing?
The usual vegan recipe complaint: “I wanted to follow your recipe for grandma’s meatloaf, but substituted anything offending with the first thing I found on google. Your meatloaf neither looks nor tastes like my Grandma’s!”
Someone should tell her that bananas are a GMO. So is rice, corn, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, brussels sprouts, kale, and mustard. They all exist because humans modified them, if humans didn’t exist then neither would those plants.
Ironically the one thing that isn’t a GMO is the damn egg.
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Well…
Chickens have been gene modified by 1000’s of years of selective breeding. Those eggs, by extension, are therefore gene modified also. Otherwise you wouldn’t get more chickens like you want them.
I believe they’re referring to the even more specific definition of GMO where genes are manipulated directly rather than indirectly through breeding and domestication.
But you are correct in a general sense. I believe the Wikipedia article for GMO also makes an even more generalized definition where any plant/animal whose genes are modified, by humans or nature, are GMO.
It’s the same arguement against cloned meat. People get upset by the method because they don’t understand that the DNA literally doesn’t care.
If you modify you through breeding or through direct genetic manipulation or even through radiation exposure, Which is how they got red grapefruit by the way, the end result is still DNA. It’s not weird mutant dangerous DNA, it’s just normal DNA which is different to the original. There’s no way it can hurt anyone.
This has to be bait, “no gmo gluten free vegans”?!
C’moooooon
Seriously I refuse to believe this is isn’t a troll. Swapping eggs for bananas in an EGG custard is just baked banana.
People with dietary restrictions, often have several. It’s because they they think more about their food.
Sounds like something you’d write on a placard at a protest.
Say no to GMO gluten-free vegans
Also the reply says the recipe is for an egg custard tart. Why would a vegan even be looking at a recipe like that?
I’m a vegan of 4.5+ years.
I’ve looked online many a time for vegan alternatives to recipes. Some are good. Some are shit.
I’ve learned that if you still want to make good food as a vegan, sometimes that involves learning substitution “tricks” that can be used to turn a non-vegan dish into a vegan one.
For eggs, I’ve mostly heard that you can replace those with soaked chia or flax seeds. You use the pectin that dissolves out of the seeds as the binder.
I have also seen people only claim that apply sauce or bananas are good vegan substitutes for egg. I haven’t really tried that out before in it’s own, but I imagine that the combo of ( soaked chia/flax seed + banana/apple sauce ) is what emulates eggs the most. You get the binding power from the seeds, with the wet nature from the banana or apply sauce.
FYI, vegans look for ways to “veganize” dishes all the time, especially at restaurants. Seldom do I want to take my friends or family to vegan-only restaurants because they tend to have “fat vegan” food. I’m better off enjoying a meal with them at a vegetarian/omnivore restaurant, which may or may not have vegan options. You have to learn to make substitutes on the fly to maintain your practice.
Just my 2¢
Oh sure, I totally get that. I’ve used flax seed and applesauce in baking recipes before because I didn’t have an egg or whatever. But in this case I’m a little baffled because I liken it to a a vegetarian trying to find substitutes for a steak. (Which, yeah, I suppose scientists are trying to do just that.) When you’re substituting an ingredient that is performing a function, like a binder, that makes a bit more sense to me. But when it’s a key flavor ingredient in a dish, I don’t really get why one would bother, or at least they shouldn’t be surprised if a substitution didn’t work and it shouldn’t reflect badly on the original recipe. All that being said, I also respect vegetarians and vegans for doing something that I’m not willing to do myself!
My wife was gluten free for awhile for health reasons on doctors orders. She would try to make the most outrageous gluten free versions of food because she missed them, but they were always terrible. I kept telling her, instead of making a bad version of a good food, make healthy food taste good.
Yep. For instance, making a vegan version of a non vegan food can turn out disappointing. But a food that is just vegan to start with? Delicious.
Yup. Lots of delicious foods just so happen to be vegan
Tomato sauce on pasta - delicious!
Vegan imitation version of beef - bleh.
The benefit of the doubt would be that they liked custard tarts before going vegan and wanted to try and make a vegan version?
Then wouldn’t you search for “vegan egg tart”?
Could be stupid, could be someone who was told “honestly vegan recipes are often bad just look up a recipe and swap the egg for banana/pumpkin/applesauce and it’ll be fine.” which… usually yes, as egg is there as binder and not there as like… the whole point of the dish.
Yeah, I suppose it could work when there’s just a little bit of egg and you just need binding and moisture, so something like pancakes or muffins.
Whoa!
True. You are more charitable than I am.
My ex’s Mom is a vegetarian (who also doesn’t believe in using GMOs or a microwave) and her Dad has celiac and legitimately can’t do gluten.
I hate trying to cook for them, and I REALLY hate it when they cook for me. Her Dad made these “dessert” balls that are made from flax seed and sadness the first time we met and I pretended to like them to be polite. Now he always makes me a bunch of them and I have to choke them down with a smile. I’ll bee seeing them Friday and know I get to look forward to chomping on birdseed.
If they’re your ex’s parents, I’d have thought you’d be rid of them and their terrible cooking.
We’re still best friends. Just no longer romantically attached.
We’re Ace, so it’s less of a transition than for most couples.
Flaxseed and sadness is a step up from cyanide and happiness
Is it though?
Why do you keep that lie up?
Because he’s a very sweet man and really enjoys sharing them with me. I’m not gonna take that away from him.
i use a lot of flaxseed and have experienced the “ah shit too much flax” very often
flaxseed-based dessert should be an internationally recognized war crime
Then you have people from the opposite end of the spectrum. One time I received “protein cookies” from a friend and it was just baked chocolate whey protein powder 🤣. You’d expect something like that to work okay-ish, but it was a very, very sad cookie with way too much sweetener.
I don’t know how to cook for shit (I once set pasta on fire) but I feel like even my dumbass could figure out how to make that work. Motherfucker needs to refine their recipe.
🤣. Htf does pasta even catch fire? There’s usually moisture at all times.
Well I will say that the cookies were safe to eat at least. I think they are in the process of making it work atm.
I managed to boil the water down a tad bit too much cause they weren’t softening, some of them were stuck to the side of the pot and caught fire. From there it was a simple matter of energy burnoff.
Please tell me that you were drunk out of your mind, lol.
Close I was running on 4 hours of sleep and had been awake for about 2 days.
In our old office we had a stove in the break room. A coworker managed to forget she was boiling eggs and smoke out the building 3 times in 4 months.
We finally bought her a gimmicky egg cooker that would turn itself off.
I’ve met people like this. They are real and usually not invited back.
Edit: same to anyone claiming to be allergic to msg! Mfer I just saw you drink a bloody Mary!
In defense of the MSG thing - afaik you can’t actually be allergic to it (outside of some super rare conditions, like the ones where youre allergic to things like icewater) but it is a relatively common migraine trigger. Downing it with booze, which for many people helps with migraines (the vasodilator/vasoconstrictor effects sorta cancel eachother out) means it has a minimal effect.
This isn’t everyone, obviously migraines are uncommon and ones triggered by MSG are an extension in rarity, but it is explicable behavior in a very real subset of the population.
Banana or applesauce can be an OK replacement for eggs. The latter works great as a binder in meatballs. The former ruins the meatballs, unless “banana meatballs” sounds delicious to you.
Plantain meatballs sounds great though!
A plantain pork meatball legit sounds amazing.
Crush/grind the plantain? Mix with ground pork, salt, pepper, cumin, garlic, pan fry and serve with a glaze? I think that might just work and I kind want to get it
Nice thinking!
