What will these goose stepping idiots do if the USA invades Venezuela or Iran? Are they going to march with the MAGA patriotism or chicken out? I would say over 75% will claim bone spurs. Bunch of losers.
You’re telling me people privileged in a system are more likely to defend that system? Wowie, I hadn’t thought of that.
The comments here on this Lemmy post can serve as a perfect demonstration for the reason behind men turning right-wing. Any comment trying to point out some specific aspect of life where men are experiencing more hardships is immediately shut off and getting told these experiences and concerns are invalid.
There is a limit to how much “fuck you” one can hear before going “well, fuck you too”.
They are Joe boys and UFC fans. The RNC literally lasso’d these low hanging fruit that get their news in 10 second videos… As soon as their parents kick them out and they have to work and pay rent, they quickly run from the dark side. It’s easy to sway INCELS. The DNC simply chooses not to and it’s a bad game plan. Most of them were Bernie Bros until they, gasp, gave the nomination to Hillary. I have two that have done the circle of life with this exact scenario.
Bernie Bros Voted for Trump Voted For Biden Voted for Trump kicked them both out and all they even do now is bleat about how Trump hasn’t done a GD thing to help them. No shit.
Girls always were a lot smarter than us
I like their boobies
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Yeah the non korea charts appear to show young men being more centrist (+0) and women being more left.
Centrism is not a fixed ideology, it is just the current status quo. Sadly, the graphics are dogshit because they don’t explain what the y-axis means. Is that a value per country or should it be comparable? What is zero? A little bit of racism but worker rights?
\edited because I weirdly wrote in my native language in the middle
I was more getting at the headline but yeah that’s a larger problem with “left right” analysis in that is both a shifting target (example: in the 1900s eugenics was ‘progressive’ ) and its a fuzzy target where both sides might have similar policy stances in places but arrive there by very different paths (example: opposition to Israel).
I’ve never heard of eugenics being described as left wing. Could you elaborate?
Early in the 1900s for a very brief period eugenics was thought to be a way to rid the world of disease, before it became clear what it would entail. The amendment to ban alcohol and the amendment to unban alcohol were both part of the progressive movement as well. So nailing down what is centrist, progressive, right wing is very much time dependent.
Abortion was very much popular in non catholic churches until the 1980s when republicans roped it into the culture war.
The charts in the article don’t even support this claim, at least in the USA and Britain. I mean look at them.
Please. If you actually bothered there’s tons of data to validate this trend. It’s been known for years now, this isn’t exactly news.
South Korea, what the fuck?
From the article:
The #MeToo movement was the key trigger, giving rise to fiercely feminist values among young women who felt empowered to speak out against long-running injustices. That spark found especially dry tinder in South Korea, where gender inequality remains stark, and outright misogyny is common.
In the country’s 2022 presidential election, while older men and women voted in lockstep, young men swung heavily behind the right-wing People Power party, and young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers.
Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two. Its marriage rate has plummeted, and birth rate has fallen precipitously, dropping to 0.78 births per woman in 2022, the lowest of any country in the world.
Seven years on from the initial #MeToo explosion, the gender divergence in attitudes has become self-sustaining. Survey data show that in many countries the ideological differences now extend beyond this issue. The clear progressive-vs-conservative divide on sexual harassment appears to have caused — or at least is part of — a broader realignment of young men and women into conservative and liberal camps respectively on other issues.
young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers
This is only partially true. The key swing vote in the election, that handed Trump the win were; 40+year old white women without a college education. Until this election, that group was almost entirely in the Democrat camp, but went full MAGA.
The youth vote only has a small turnout, with voting patterns locked into geographic regions, there wasn’t too much unexpected that happened with the youth vote.
Be skeptical of recent survey data, reflection on this past election, or any survey data for that matter, especially in a Medium article.This quote comes from the graph’s source article from the FT. They are talking about South Korea and not the US.
The author is discussing several countries, including the U.S.A., saying that it is the same trend for each. So yest they are implying the US.
What they are explicitly saying, and not implying at all is, “Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two.”
They are not implying the specifics of how the election unfolded in South Korea bears clear resemblance to the US like you stated.
This is a silly discussion because you did read the FT article, speculated wildly, and now are defending your bad take with a vague and baffling two sentence defense. Construct an actual argument.
It’s a shitty article, that uses shitty polling data.
What it means to be lib vs. con in different time periods and different countries is a complex question. I guarantee you that in absolute terms, white boys from the Midwest are much less racist than they were 40 years ago.It misses the biggest swing from lib to conservative that happened, that older white women, without a college education, flipped to conservative, from consistently voting Democrat.
The article implicitly is trying to cast blame on young white boys, turning conservative, and therefore pushing the country into being regressive. It misses that the biggest regressive block are still the elderly white folk, and that that block is also the biggest voting block.
Both the articles were written in January 2024, ten months before the election. They weren’t analyzing the 2024 elections. There is no possibiliy of mentioning elderly white folks ev
They never mention whiteness anywhere in either article and the FT article is explicitly a global take mentioning Germany, UK, South Korea, Tunisia, and China.
There is nothing in the FT article implicitly or explicitly blaming “young white boys”. It is saying that when there is an ideological gap between young men and women, it has sociological implications.
I agree that the larger media narrative blames young white men’s regressive turn for the Trump presidential win and not elderly white folks or white Gen X women, but this is not that article.
This makes no sense. Since when do countries other than the US exist?
The article is referring to South Korea, the United States, Germany, and the United Kingdom, 4 countries. I’d argue that the youth vote never really mattered to turn these elections. You have to examine who actually voted, turned out to the ballot box.
So what the article is saying is, saying “sexual harrassment/assault is bad” radicalized all the men?
Seven years on from the initial #MeToo explosion
it’s crazy to me that that was as late as 2018. i definitely felt that circulating in school in 2012.
The flaws in their culture, where they’re expected to be invaded by North Korea at anytime, and nearly all the males – even pop stars – are also expected to do military service. Of course the men have become deeply reactionary, what with anti-communist propaganda heavily embedded throughout, and they’re not happy with South Korean women being more assertive now than 50 years ago.
It’s not helping that South Korea is so much of a horrifyingly thinly-disguised corporate dystopia.
where they’re expected to be invaded by North Korea at anytime
it could be noted, maybe, that in case of a war, probably only men would have to go to the frontline. so much for equality.
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I remember growing up in the 90’s being told by friends, family members and teachers that I don’t need or deserve help because everything is easier for a man, or being told by my boss that she won’t promote men because she doesn’t trust men with money, or women being mean to me because of my gender and then telling me it’s payback for things they read men did to women decades ago. And then when I try to talk about these experiences, people telling me they don’t believe me, or they didn’t happen, or they don’t matter.
And I remember, as a kid, saying “one day there’s gonna be a whole generation of boys who grew up around women like you, and they’re going to want payback”.
Well here we are. Keep blaming internet propaganda.
That’s an extremely specific series of events. Either you made it up, or you’re really unlucky, because that is not the experience of most men. Not once have I experienced even one of those things.
Same here. '94, not much older than this dude and grew up in an overwhelmingly conservative gender-role following country and still nothing like what this dude is describing. I don’t know where all these butthurt men are coming from lately but they need to get their shit together and stop whining. I don’t see women whine like this. This is not even a gender thing anymore at this point. It’s just immature overdramatic behavior.
Not once have I experienced even one of those things
You are playing anecdotical as much es the person you reply to.
Maybe a big amoint of men who turn right in Europe and US have experienced this?Or maybe not…
It could be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I’m not the one who needs to prove his assertion.
Maybe it’s a bunch of bullshit that that guy made up to justify his imagined victimhood?
He dated his “experiences” in the 90s, you fucking dumbass. Lol. You guys are so stupid! How the fuck is that an explanation for the political trends of the last few years?
You guys lie so much, you’d think you’d be good at it by now.
You are calling me «dumbass» and stupid when I did nothing to you, and conflating me to an undefined group of liars that does not exist.
Not once have I experienced even one of those things.
I have, multiple times.
it was my experience too.
as a working class guy who got into an ivy league school… my entire life i was told how i ‘didn’t deserve’ it, and how i ‘stole it’ from someone more deserving. everyone in my life talked me down and down and down, and now i’m middle aged and now all i hear is that i’m both a rich asshole, and a poor piece of shit and that i need to give all my money to women, or i need to earn more money to give more money to women.
the only people who ever supported me in my life in a positive way… were working class men who also put themselves through college. everyone else endless shit on me no matter how much i achieved or how hard i worked.
Who on Earth would tell you to give money to women specifically? Sounds like a strawman if I ever heard one.
They might ask you to give your money to the poor, because they need it way more than you. But never something gender specific.
And everyone else in the room clapped, I presume?
yep. pretty much.
I grew up in the 90s and don’t know a single other man who had your experience.
Same. Graduated in 2000 and thought that except for extreme right-wing cults everyone accepted each other. Lol guess that’s still true today 😂
It absolutely does matter if you observed systemic violence against men. That’s hard to prove, though, and a string of personal anecdotes and hearsay is just not going to be enough, I’m afraid. I might even partially agree with your post, but large parts of it seem exaggerated to the point of a caricature, strawman-like, cherry-picked, over-generalized, redditesque… Sounds more like venting, really. And that’s not helping your argument. You’d be well-advised to dig up much better evidence for what it is you want to prove.
If you try to fit in progressive spaces, you get told that everything you do is wrong. It may also be true, I don’t exclude this.
But there is no compassion, no good faith. One would rather opt for the group that does not complain about him all the time.If you try to fit in progressive spaces, you get told that everything you do is wrong.
What a bunch of fucking bullshit. You guys are so transparent.
Since you are so above me, tell me what do you see through the transparency, because even re-reading it now, my comment is only explaining the current drift of men to extreme bigot spaces.
You only get told you do something wrong when you do something wrong.
How about you learn from it instead of claiming that is all you do?
Your stance will not prevent men from turning their back on progressive spaces.
i have been progressive my entire life.
however, the desperate need to exclude men and see them as inherently evil is a more recent issue. like the past 10 years. in the 2000s i never encountered this outside of extremists… now it’s mainstream in liberal spaces to basically view men as evil and awful inherently. the only ‘good men’ are those who subordinate themselves entirely to the leftist hypocracies and deny their masculinity as evil.
I am so glad that at least one reply got the point.
I have also been in situations that led me to distance myself from certain groups and extremisms, but really it was not an anecdotical observation; more like a general one.
More than anything, we (humans) long for being accepted.
The bar for men in progressive spaces might now have been set too high. You don’t educate a dog by hitting it with a stick.
No wonder they are trying to suppress women’s ability to vote again. I’m fairly certain women outnumber men just given by a statistical outcome of X vs Y chromosome at birth. I’m not certain but there’s probably a statistical study somewhere out there that a left leaving woman married to a right leaning man will vote right due to proximity. I’ve seen the former example in real life many times over sadly.
The joke is on the right-wing men. Good luck finding female partners. Also, the best time to be a left leaning progressive guy.
Dumb fools who have no one decent to look up to end up blaming women for it, so move right. Women don’t want anything to do with dumb fools who want to take away their rights, so move left.
Sure, it is only this simple and you are very smart.
OPs comment was not very constructively phrased… But it actually pretty much is that simple.
However, most right-leaning young men will not be brave enough to actually ask women their opinions on divisive issues, and open enough to listen and consider their own assumptions could be wrong (‘maybe my dad is a misogynist… maybe I was raised to believe things that just aren’t accurate’). Those ideas are confronting and take a lot of emotional maturity.
I agree with you.
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Ok, but why are the colors reversed?
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