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    That’s a conversation I’ve had more than once with my parents:

    – Doing X is fine! Everybody did it in my time and we grew up just fine!

    – Didn’t that friend of yours die because of it?

    – Yeah, but he’s only a single person, and everybody did X…

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      Anytime I hear this argument from someone, I tell them to go look up the term, “survivorship bias”.

      I mean we figured this shit out during WWII, FFS. People need to keep up.

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          Partly because the famous example is from WW2 not WW1. We did not have planes like that in WW1, unless you exist in the world of Yojou Senki but at that point you have other problems like Niche god, Megalomanic Jesus, and Tanya Von Degurechaff ranting about the Chicago school of economics.

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    Oh, I’ve been cutting the visible mold off for years. Same applies to things like jam (jelly). Spoon out the mouldy bit, then crack on.

    Should I be ded?

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      The key part is that your immune system is used to various mold and parasite infections and you’re fine, but if you become immune compromised or old then the same thing you did before can kill you. That’s why people who actually get infected with things like water born parasites are usually very old or sick.

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      If there is visible mold on a part of a surface, then it’s reasonable to assume that a much larger part of that surface already has mold, it’s just not visible yet. Bread is basically a sponge, the surface of a sponge is the entire sponge, so that mold can have spread everywhere in the bread.

      I found this overview which looks right to me: https://www.eatingwell.com/article/91553/4-moldy-foods-you-can-eat-plus-which-foods-to-toss/

      Should you be dead from eating mold? I suspect that it’s a lottery with many factors: which types of molds that you have eaten, the quantities, your immune system, … But keep at it and eventually you might win a price.

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      In with you and I’m still alive. Food is too expensive to throw out.

      There are worst ways to die than keeling over after eating. I’ll take it.

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      The rule is that if its soft food as bread or jelly, its all compromised and should be thrown. If its hard like cheese, you can cut the mold and consume since the mold probably didn’t get that far inside

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      For marmelade / jam / jelly it depends on the sugar contents. I don’t know how much it has to be but if it has high enough sugar contents, you can indeed take off the mould generously and eat what is under it. That said - gross! Just don’t let foods spoil. Buy what you need and plan ahead a bit.

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          1. Keep it in the fridge
          2. Only use clean spoons (don’t let breadcrumbs, butter, saliva touch the jam in the jar)
          3. Immediately close the jar after taking something out.

          -> rarely ever any mold. I keep my jams fresh for months this way.

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    Reminder that, per Wikipedia, aflatoxins - the poisons in molds - “are among the most carcinogenic substances known.”
    Furthermore, aflatoxin B1 can permeate through the skin and its LD50 can be as low as 300 µg/kg.

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    Whilst I don’t eat mouldy bread intentionally (as in, it will have happened without me noticing on occasion) what’s the actual potentially bad thing that happens if one does? Specifically?

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      There are more types of fungus than any other type of life. Lots of them are mostly harmless. Some of them are a little toxic. Some others are very much toxic. Some others will cause allergies, fungal infection, rare metabolic disorders or all together.

      It’s the worst kind of lottery, most likely nothing will happen but if something happens it will be pretty uncomfortable. IT IS NOT WORTH IT!

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      I once at a huge slice of boston creme pie from a local deli, I got nearly to the end before I flipped it over and saw the bottom crust was entirely black mold.

      I had one of the worst stomach aches of my life for about 6 hours that night and enough gas to power a small town, but no lasting harm. I was also a teenager so likely my digestive system was nigh invulnerable.

      It should be understood that most fungus won’t survive in your body, but it does produce toxins. Those toxins don’t have a hard line between harmless and toxic, so the small amounts of spores you ingest every day do nothing, but eating a whole moldy bread slice could make you pretty sick.

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    I’m not a scientist. Is there any reason not to just eat it if its only a little bit of mould? I see so many people freak out. Bro just eat it you won’t even taste the mould over the peanut butter. Or if you’re really worried you can toast it which kills all the mould probably.

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      I’m not a scientist. Is there any reason not to just have unprotected sex if its only a little bit of HIV? I see so many people freak out. Bro just fuck it you won’t even feel the HIV over the lube. Or if you’re really worried you can wash with IPA which kills all the HIV probably.

      would you?

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        Hiv can fuck you up or require you to take drugs the rest of your life. Mold tastes a bit like dirt and might make you feel sick. The stakes are lower I think.

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          Mold can fuck you up or require you to take drugs the rest of your life. HIV feels a bit like the flu and might make you feel sick. The stakes are lower I think.

          HIV isn’t a death sentence anymore. in-fact, I would say it’s probably an apt analogy to pit HIV against eating moldy bread.

          HIV doesn’t kill you, it’s the compromised immune system that attacks the body that turns into AIDS.

          kind of the same thing with mold. the mold doesn’t kill you. it’s the toxins the mold contains that shuts down your kidneys, liver, and pancreas. you can survive for a short time without any of those, but it’s going to be a long painful death.

          some people are fungus chasers and just want to rawdog bread to feel alive. who am I to judge that? you do you. just remember, when it feels like someone is twisting you inside out as you slowly lose consciousness, you chose this because you wanted that bread more than you wanted to live.

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            just remember, when it feels like someone is twisting you inside out as you slowly lose consciousness, you chose this because you wanted that bread more than you wanted to live.

            I once left pasta out on the bench all day and night then the next day I ate it and moved the rest to the fridge. I then spend a 16 hours in the feral position in so much pain I thought i was gonna die. Then the next day I was really hungry and the pasta tasted pretty good so I ate it again and spent another day curled up in immense pain. My stupidity knows no bounds.

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    Penicillin is one of many types of bread mould.

    I too will probably die from bread mould poisoning given my stingy habits with food waste. It’s fine if it’s only the white/blue type, right?

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      I used to be the same way, following the same thought process. Just cutting off the visible mold and a small area around it. I stopped after I got food poisoning from a restaurant and had to eat hospital food for a week. Then I started up again immediately after getting back home to my moldy food. Still no repercussions, that I can tell

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        This past summer I hadn’t been to the cottage for over a month but I had some food left in the fridge. I brought home a can of opened berry jam I had there and I didn’t want it to go to waste. I ate from it three or four times before I noticed the large patch of mold that was growing on the lid and the underside of the top of the inside of the jar. I like saving food because I grew up poor but at the same time, I’m not going to send myself to the hospital to save a bit of jam … I threw the jar away after that.

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          I started up a compost to help cover my conscience about food waste. Worst case scenario, my food is reborn as tomatoes, kale, and herbs. Or as a raccoon because I forgot to secure the lid.

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    Even if penicillin, it tastes awful, and if you don’t need penicillin does it actually help you at all?

    I bit bread like this once and I can still vividly taste it.

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      I ate moldy bread by accident once. Didn’t see the side with the mold until after I made the sandwich, I was also high. That one time and tiny amount was one of the most horrible things I’ve put in my mouth. Spit it out immediately and had PTSD about moldy bread ever since. If I see a tiny bit forming that shit is not going near my mouth, the whole bag is gone.

      Really don’t understand how anyone could “eat around it” or even eat other slices in the pack. Bread is really cheap, just throw it away. Don’t play Russian roulette with foods.

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        the whole bag is gone

        Well, that’s how it’s supposed to be done. Since mold is a fungus, what shows up on the surface is the reproductive parts that spawn spores, meaning the rest of the bread probably has mold too.

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        @MeatPilot @panda_abyss bread isn’t really cheap if you have dietary restrictions, but “mold-free” should be one of them regardless 😂 it sucks when I have to throw away gluten free bread, but that shit being expensive is no excuse for deliberately poisoning myself–if it was, I’d just have the wheat 🤷

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      Tasted kind of limey with a subtle hint of grandma dustiness to me when I ate a slice without looking at it, I now thoroughly check the entire surface.

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      if you don’t need penicillin does it actually help you at all?

      No, it has virtually no chance to help you, and most probably can only hurt you.

      First, it kills indiscriminately. If you’re not sick, what are you killing? Your own healthy gut flora. That’s what.

      Second, what if you are slightly ill? Guess what? It still probably won’t help. Doctors don’t just throw penicillin at you in random amounts. They prescribe a specific dose that has been shown to be effective. Having one untested dose of unknown quantity isn’t going to help.

      Third, when you’re given antibiotics, you are told to take it over a number of days, and to take the entire amount, even if you feel better. They do this for several reasons, but one of the reasons is that, if you only kill some of the bacteria, but not enough of them, the remaining bacteria have a small chance to evolve to become resistant to antibiotics. By taking antibiotics without the guidance of a doctor, you have a small chance of making yourself even more ill with antibiotic-resistant bacteria. I want to emphasize that this is a very small chance, but unlikely things will happen when given enough chances.

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        1. Penicillin is useless, and has been for 25 years
        2. The resistance myth from not taking the full regimen of antibiotics was disproven years ago. Doctors still quote this because they would rather read Mercedes brochures than manuscripts.
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          This bullshit is the reason we can’t have nice things, and the reason staph infections are becoming antibiotic resistant. Well this dumb shit and industrial meat farming and literally spraying antibiotics on plants but I digress.

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      I bit bread like this once and I can still vividly taste it.

      I’ve accidentally eaten various kinds of mold several dozen times in my life, and in some cases I could barely tell. Slightly dirt flavor. That’s the dangerous mold.

      I was also in my 30s when I found out some people don’t know what mildew smells like. They know the sour smell in clothes, but don’t realize it’s mildew. My partner was one such person, and they -still- don’t care but that smell drives me bonkers.

      Unrelated because I didn’t eat them, but it reminded me of the time I made cookies (specifically Russian tea cookies, aka snowballs) and put them directly in the freezer without letting them dry out, and it was humid enough in the container that months later when I went to eat one, they had tiny adorable mushrooms on them.

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      Sardinia is nasty for that cheese. Its also illegal in the EU and is traded on the black market in Europe (The cheese not Sardinia).

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    Glad to still be alive … Yes, i was one of those who ate around it!

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    Food is so weird. Bread becomes toxic waste after 8 minutes of being opened, but there’s probably some cheese species that gets fermented up the asshole of a mountain llama for 6 months, being stuffed back in after every bowel movement, and is still edible (if you’re into that sort of thing) after 400 years of being left in a dank cave amongst the frothing remains of a rotting gerbil cemetery.

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      Cheese is weird because someone had to be like, well let’s go ahead and store some milk in the stomach of an animal, but also they forgot about it under a chair for 3 months and then, upon finding it, thought, “well let’s have a go anyway, despite it changing forms.” And then eventually someone realized if you stuck it in certain caves it became delicious. So much human history just in that one food product there.

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        I think one theory is that it was central Asian horse-riding societies who started carrying milk on horseback, in saddlebags made out of animal bladders. The motion of the riding and  the rennet left in the bladders churned the milk and turned it into cheese.

        I remember also reading on a science magazine’s site this possibility that the first cheese made by humans was more of yeast-based preparation, without animal milk, but i can’t find the article mentioning that anymore.

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            It is but adding renet causes the milk fat to coagulate. Once that is done 90 degrees abpit the right temp for most cheese. The action of it moving it will cause tue curds to be broken down. The problem with this theory is the whey. Part of cheesemaking is removing the curd from the whey to allow the moisture to be removed. In a sealed vessel it cant go anywhere.

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      There’s a reindeersheep cheese that is considered a delicacy that has actual maggots in it. Another orange cheese that has fucking mites! I don’t mind my stinky cheese, but I’m not eating anything moving.

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          For those not in the know, “rotten” puts it lightly, this cheese is made specifically to breed fly maggots which are eaten alive with the cheese.

          It’s not particularly legal to sell or manufacture for consumption due to the fact that yes, the maggots can in fact try to chew through your stomach and intestines before they die from digestion and cause severe intestinal distress.

          They ain’t the big, chewy grubs that Timon and Pumba might eat either, they’re piles of teeny, tiny crawling masses of mini-maggots, so extremely horrifying. Nurgle cheese.

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    That’s life living with a human garbage disposal. They will eat anything. They’ll acknowledge the five second rule only in so much as it’s their inside joke when they eat a chunk of cake that fell on the floor at least 20 minutes earlier and miraculously escaped the canine detection system. It’s bizarre having to justify throwing away 30 cents worth of cookies that were molded because “I would have still eaten them just not the moldy parts.” but that and similar conversations are being had regularly.