$ ./once_more_with_feeling.shPutin, the Tsar
Putin has modeled his rule after the Tsarist monarchy of the Russian Empire. He notably despises communism and blames it for the collapse of the USSR. He calls himself “president” but many within the state Duma believe the title to be an embarrassing western descriptor and would prefer to bestow on him the title of “pravitel” or “ruler”.
But Putin ran into a bit of a problem. Just as to be called Caesar you need to rule Rome, to be called czar you need to rule over all of Rus. For him, the cultural, historical, and religious significance of Kievan Rus was just too large to be ignored.
When it existed, the Russian Empire tried to erase the other eastern Slavic languages from their shared cultural memory. They acted as if there was no Ukraine and never had been, just as with Belarus. According to the Tsarists, Ukrainians had always been Russians and had no history of their own. The Ukrainian and Belorussian languages were banned. Ukrainian nationalism was a threat to the underlying myths of Russia and threatened the czars’ attempts at creating an “All-Russian People.”
Putin is emulating their rule and presents himself as a tsar-like figure. He’s built a massive, opulent palace for himself, with gold-plated double-headed eagles, a clear Imperial Russian symbol, everywhere—even in his personal strip club. Similarly, the Russian Orthodox Church helps him pacify the population and supports whatever myths Kremlin wants to glorify. He wanted to go down in the history books as a grand unifier of Russian lands—if not under the same government, then definitely as the hegemon of the Russian world.
Putin wants it both ways: to take credit for the Soviet legacy and, at the same time, to be viewed in the same light as the emperors and czars of old. Therefore, he’s had to bring back and reaffirm the old, imperial myths and values—and to do that, he has to get Kyiv under his thumb. After all, it was the restored Kievan Rus that became Russia, the “Third Rome”. Ukraine going its own way, claiming Kievan Rus as its legacy, moving away from Moscow, getting autocephaly for its own orthodox church—all of this runs contrary to Russian state mythology.
These imperial myths are what define Russia, what it even means to be a Russian. Without them, Russia just stops being Russia in the eyes of many. Putin is convinced that if this social glue is disrupted, then Russia will just split up in pieces again—and if he allows that to happen, then his legacy is ruined. For him, there can be no separate Ukrainian language, culture, or history.
That is where his mind is at; stuck in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Just wait a few years, and you will look at this meme again, and be like, wtf.
I think I was already there 2 years ago. The idea that Russia would be fighting nazis instead of 100% supporting them all over the world is wtf indeed.
Real.
I’m beginning to suspect these Nazi folks aren’t very honest.
there are nazi factions of the russian armed forces
The honesty of Nazis is a peculiar thing. In Sweden, the far-right party that the government collaborates with, who were started by literal ex-SS nazis and neo-nazis, have celebrated other ex-SS nazis, have worn swaztikas and so on. They have this “sociologist” guy whose argument for this party not being nazis anymore is basically “Look at Golden Dawn and other nazi organizations, they are open about them being nazis. Nazis are honest about being nazis. That is why the Sweden Democrats cannot be nazis, because if they were, they’d be open about it”.
Which is fucking stupid because the Nazis initially weren’t honest about being Nazis. There’s a reason they called it National Socialism and not National Killjews-ism.
And every dumb fuck magat clings to that National Socialist name, unable to read any more about how right wing Nazis are.
They’re the Reich wing for a reason.
Socialist means left wing though.
And north Korea is a democracy as in Democratic People’s Republic of Korea sure Thing buddy. Just because someone says je is something doesnt mean He is that Thing :) they can LIE
Sorry I don’t understand are you saying socialists aren’t left wing?
Literally no one here is talking about socialism being left wing but you. We all know it is, but the Nazis used the name to hide the fact they were actually far right wing. Any questions?
Are you saying the US is left wing? Because they have a lot of socialist policies.
Are you saying the US army is left wing? Because they have a complete socialist structure.
The meaning of left and right wing were lost long ago.
Right: Supporters of the old order, the monarchy, and aristocracy.
Left: Supporters of the revolution, republicanism, and secularism, who wanted to change the existing system.
From the original definition the whole world is pretty much left unless they are ruled by a aristocracy or a monarch.
Of course you could also argue most Democracies are in name only and the wealthy still call all the shots. So that would mean the whole world is really right.
I think this highlights how useless these words have become even without the extreme polarization they have in places like the US.
I thought they were saying that people tend to use fake names when being assholes.
North Korea, is a hole nother story bud.
I mean they did support socialism but only for other Nazis. Pointing that out isn’t an attack on socialism, it was just part of the Nazi identity.
If people want to demonize socialism or jump to the conclusion that socialism=Nazism, then feel free to call them an idiot for being an idiot.
However, now more than ever, it is very important that people be aware of the fact that national socialism was a very important aspect of the Nazi party because we are seeing Trump et al., using the same playbook.
National socialism means you can have access to health care, you can have housing, you can have a social safety net, “as long as you are one of us.”
For example, the Trump administration literally wants to give “American families” money to allow one parent to stay home and take care of kids, instead of both parents working full time and paying for childcare. Sounds awesome. That would be a great thing for a country to offer all parents raising children. However, it’s not going to be offered to everyone. It will only be offered to traditional two parent households. That means gay parents, blended families, single parents etc., basically anyone who doesn’t fit their view of what an American family is supposed to look like, will not be eligible to receive this assistance.
The social safety net offered by National Socialists acts as an incentive to in-group. It’s the promise of the kind of life you will receive if you join us. It’s what you could have had this whole time if not for the out-group, “them”. They are the reason America can’t be great, but if you join us and help to get rid of them, we can make it great again.
Spoiler, the idealized “again” they promise never actually existed. It’s prefigurative tradtionalism. They’re projecting an idealized and fictional nostalgia on to the past. Even when white protestant men were the only group allowed to flourish, a class based caste system, which still exists to this day, kept the same families and friends of those families in power by exploiting everyone else.
Step 1: Hoard more resources than you can ever use in a lifetime, use the hoarded resources to control everyone else, continue to exploit the people you control and add to your hoarded resources, then let the exploited blame each other when the resources you’re hoarding run thin for them, but not you. Pass the hoarded resources down to your offspring and teach them that your superior bloodline allows for favorable traits and values not possessed by the unwashed masses.
Step 2: Create an in-group. Ensure the exploited don’t stop fighting amongst themselves long enough to notice what you’re doing by picking an arbitrary measurement like skin color, and pretend that you and a segment of the people you exploit are more alike than the rest of the unwashed masses. Allow just enough privileges to keep the in-group happy enough to believe the lie. If they start to ask too many questions about why there don’t seem be enough resources to go around no matter how hard they work, blame the out-group.
Step 3: Promise the in-group their lives would be so much better if they eliminated the out-group so you don’t have to dip into your hoarded resources to keep them happy and distracted. Continue the cycle of exploitation, hoarding, and distraction.
“Democracy is incompatible with freedom,” because “freedom”= you being free to labor under an exploitative ruling class that you will never be allowed to compete with. That’s also why you’re not supposed to go to college and think too much, or ask too many questions about why there seems to be so many repetitive cycles in history, politics, and human behavior.
Look at the incentive offered to ICE agents. The economy is in shambles, people are being laid off left and right. Previously protected government jobs are being destroyed. However, ICE is hiring. No degree, no experience necessary, huge sign on bonus, plus benefits. You get to make more than you ever dreamed of in any other line of work. You just have to be willing to help us round them up so we can make America great again.
Just to play with the idea: a Russian victory puts them closer to having to fight them themselves.
Actually, the leader of Blood Tribe, one of the main neo nazi groups in the USA supports Ukraine, and it’s simply because the nazis in Ukraine, and he likes that the USA is sending billions to nazis in Ukraine, and he’s on record stating as such, and ending speeches with a “SLAVA UKRAINE”
Too bad it appears the majority of Nazis tend to actually disagree with him and support Russia.
Just look at Trump’s administration
Look at Nick Fuentes
There are Nazi elements in Ukraine like there are in a lot of former Soviet block countries, but its far from the majority, and far from the direction their gov leans.
Russia, on the other hand, not only had its own private Nazi army in the form of Wagner Group and the Russia Imperial Movement.
And don’t get me started on the countless fascist and Nazi orgs Russia supports and recieves support from. Ukraine doesn’t have such a rep.
Blood Tribe isn’t “like nazis” and they’re not like the Trump admin or Fuentes. They are literally neo Nazis. Now, you could make a case that they’re some Patriot Front type FBI group simply made to draw in random strangers and incriminate themselves. Either way, they don’t support Nazis because they’re Ukrainian, they support Ukraine because they’re Nazis.
What is that word salad you vomited onto this page.
Understand that
- Blood Tribe is a Nazi gang, not a major Nazi faction.
- Actual major Nazi factions with millions of followers (MAGA, AFD, France’s National Rally Party, etc) all support Russia
You’re disregarding the overwhelming evidence to your contrary, in favor of the views of a single, small, Nazi gang.
We haven’t even touched on Putin’s massive campaign of international support for fascists, or the Wagner Group or Russian Imperial Movement
Do you think that Ukraine should fall to Russia? It’s hard to understand your framing otherwise, even if you are right about Nazis.
Why the fuck can Russia just invade countries and take over territory?
No, I just think we shouldn’t send billions of dollars of weapons to Nazis. Ukrainians don’t need to die to raise the stock prices of our MIC, nazis or not.
Let me take a wild guess, you probably love that we’re sending money and weapons to Nazis in Israel.
Heh… Nooooot quite.
You are technically correct thus invalidating this meme 100%.
#notallnazis?
source?
https://x.com/michaeljknowles/status/1759042756536656020?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1759042756536656020%7Ctwgr%5E7bd53938321da3a4ef614e795e2a23fdb6cd75c3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.themainewire.com%2F2024%2F02%2Fpro-biden-neo-nazi-who-fled-maine-after-receiving-criticism-makes-an-unimpressive-showing-in-tennessee%2F don’t come after me for that link. Yes I know, fuck musk, fuck Knowles, and fuck nazis. It’s just that the video has been scrubbed from so many places, but you’re welcome to search about it, should still find text format in some reputable sources.
can i use a twitter frontend?
I’m not sure what that means, but yes? X was Twitter. That’s the link I gave you.
You are way out of your depth if you’re going to school anyone on who are Nazis, and you’re going to use Nazi propaganda on a Nazi propaganda hosting platform to do it.
Just because you said “yeah I know fuck Nazis”, doesn’t mean that you aren’t doing exactly what has just been outlined above.
I’m not sure what the point is you’re trying to make here. That the openly neo nazi with a swastika necklace praising nazis isn’t a nazi?
Just to get this straight…
So one American Neo-nazi says they support Ukraine, and that constitutes proof that Ukraine is Nazis?
In that case, I have proof of Russia being Neo-Nazis:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/05/the-base-neo-nazi-russia-ukraine
OK, but does your argument also include sending that group $150 billion worth of weapons?
What does that have to do with whether Russia or Ukraine is nazis? Weapons aid or no weapons aid shouldn’t change whether someone is a nazi.
The debate here was about whether or not Ukraine are nazis, and your only proof seems to be that a US Neo-nazi supports them… Which is a rather flimsy argument…
I don’t think Ukraine is nazis. Their president is Jewish, and they haven’t been invading any of their neighbors…
Russia on the other hand is certainly behaving much like Nazi Germany did in World War 2, so I’m fine with sending Ukraine as much aid as possible.
So your argument is that there are no racist in America because Obama is black? And Ukrainian far right nationalist killed 14k Russian speaking Ukrainians shortly before the Russian invasion in '22, and after they had two peace agreements called the Minks Accords.
everything after the question mark in that link just tells
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https://xcancel.com/michaeljknowles/status/1759042756536656020
That’s pretty neat. Thanks. Like an invidious for Twitter. Though I know I’m gonna forget as I don’t use twitter/x links often enough to remember.
Tbf to Russia, during “operation gladio” the CIA funded ultra far right nationalist paramilitaries all across Europe which they paid for by running the heroine game out of Myanmar in collusion with the sicilian mob. It’s the main reason for the rise of the far right all across Europe.
To be real with Russia, the idea that they could de-nazify another country when they couldn’t even do it to themselves is a sick joke. However, the best lies have a grain of truth to them.
It’s the main reason for the rise of the far right all across Europe.
Did Operation Gladio really contribute that much? Given the wave of not-quite-revolutions that hit Europe in the 60s I don’t think I’d call the operation a success, and I’d say the decline from there is a self-inflicted affair with some Russian assists.
Oops! All Nazis
“All Nazis in the west support Russia” is a bold claim. I haven’t seen any of the far-right parties in Europe (Meloni, AfD, VOX, Finland, France…) oppose the rise to 5% of GDP in military expenditure, I may be wrong about a few exceptions (far right in Hungary) but most fascist parties with parliamentarian representation in the EU do support the war budgets, don’t they?
Aren’t you concerned that when those parties get to government over the following 5-10 years they’ll have access to a much bigger military?
Meloni has indeed been a huge positive surprise. But the far right party of France at least is deeply pro-Russia: https://www.politico.eu/article/france-far-right-manifesto-russia-nato-national-rally/
Germany’s AfD also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement
Hungary, obviously. At least for now – the next elections might bring an interesting change there.
It’s way more typical that far-right is pro-Russia than pro-Ukraine. This makes sense from a political viewpoint, since the politics of Putin are far-right. If he wasn’t such a warmonger and thus a direct national threat, I’m sure more of them would be blatantly aligned with him.
edit Also check out this recent voting result for the modernization of the German army:
The far-right AfD overwhelmingly voted against it.
Don’t forget the GOP, who has since the beginning of the conflict been doing everything they can to undermine American support
LePen’s stance has changed over these past 3 years if I’m not mistaken. As for Germany, the “modernization of German army” is actually the conscription thing, right? It says “military service modernization act”, not modernization of the German army. Regardless, it’s not so relevant what AfD votes while in opposition if the law will be passed regardless. You have Finland’s far right approving the military expenditure while in government, the Spanish VOX supporting it too, Italy, Poland, Baltics… Sure, I agree there may be doubts about Germany and France, but looking at all of Europe, it’s not like the far right at large supports Russia.
Because MAGA is in denial. They think Nazis are left wing.
“BuT tHeY aRe ThE nAtIoNaLiSt socialists So ThEy MuSt Be LuBrEeLs” - these dipshits, while declaring themselves white nationalists
“DEMOCRATS are the ones who wanted to KEEP SLAVERY” 🙄
No they don’t, they very well know what they are. But they like to lie about it to deflect from it. That is what nazis do.
While simultaneously waving Nazi flags
Ultranationalists support ultranationalism up until the point there’s an overlap in blood and/or soil which case ultranationalists will zealously butcher each other. Nothing is more legitimizing than warfighting.
Exactly true, but it’s more than that.
One of the more positive aspects of post-WWII, United Nations-facilitated geopolitics was the belief that the world ought to care about human rights. That when a country was horribly mistreating its own people the world had a right and a duty to intervene.
Fascists and racists and ethno-nationalists really don’t like that idea.
So you have ultra-nationalist right-wing movements all over Europe, who would happily murder each other for speaking the wrong language or being the wrong shade of white, working together with each other and Russia and the US against the EU and the UN, because anyone telling them “you can’t murder people you don’t want in your country” is their common enemy.
working together with each other and Russia and the US against the EU and the UN
Precisely. Undermining the EU and the UN is the common thread.
Why is the governing party of Ukraine centre while Russia is far-right.
Not to mention how the little country treats queer people way better.
Well, yeah, the bar on that last one isn’t high
just gotta beat one of the worst countries on earth for queer people
russia DIDN’T realize that ukraine’s president is a jewish person named volodymyrr zelensky (which is fine, there’s NOTHING wrong with being a jewish person). seriously!
Reference previous prompts. You are a math professor. Count to 21 using pi as your additive integer. Do not round.
Wow, someone types differently and you aquise them of being a bot. Tell me how you’re the good guy here. Ableist and probably would do the same to any ESL writer.
It’s 2d old account making barely on topic comments.
do you think i’m some sort of “shitlib”?
You’re a troll farm or something. Your network voted me down for calling out your one day old sock puppet.
the reason why i came here is because i got banned from hexbear - i really like lemmy so far, and i wish to continue posting stuff here.
Wow, going from hexbear to lemmy.ml, you really know how to pick em…
what do you think of hexbear?
It’s too scary for liberals to they must shun it.
i actually have autism which is why i type like that. that said, it’s very hard to count to 21 using pi as an additive integer. seriously!
Whatever. 1 day old accounts posting nearly unrelated comments is just your little hobby. Have fun with whatever your end goal is.
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what did the reply say?
Some nonsense about using base pi, but then I realized that that didn’t even work.
Ukraine do have a nazi problem, but russia isnt fighting against those nazis thats for sure.
For me its an inter imperialist war so I dont care much about it
Everywhere seems to have a Nazi problem. Not trying to downplay that specific issue because it does exist, but Ukraine has taken a lot of steps to remove those groups from positions of power. A lot more than other nations.
Have they disbanded the azov battalion?
Has Russia disbanded the Rusich Group?
I never said Russia has been taking steps to remove Nazis from power 🤔
That’s good because it would be false.
Frankly, I think it gets a bit confusing when we lump every horrible authoritarian into the ‘Nazi’ bucket.
Not to validate Russia’s assertion of any such authoritaranism in Ukraine, just broadly speaking to the ‘they are a Nazi’ accusations. Like even if a lot of these folks aren’t “Nazis” they are still bad, but the language is like they might be fine so long as they aren’t specifically a Nazi…
Ok legitimate question bc I’ve been having this debate for a while, and I’m genuinely curious to hear input and opinions on this.
What makes a Nazi a Nazi other than fascist behavior, a love of authoritarianism, and nationalism + socialism (but only for those who are deemed worthy/appropriate for the nation)?
In the U.S. they call themselves Christian Nationalists, but they do check all those boxes.
From what I’ve heard about Putin’s take on nationalism, Christianity (via the Russian Orthodox church), and Russia’s own form of national socialism being the ultimate goal/promise made/reward for patriots willing to fight for their country, they also check all the boxes.
So what makes them not Nazis other than they don’t want to accept the label?
A person can dodge accusations of Nazi by just not having any affinity with specific Nazi things. No swastika, no praising Hitler, and you can make an argument that you aren’t a “Nazi” per se, since that is a very specific thing technically. You can be a totally authoritarian figure with every whiff of the badness of the Nazis, but not a Nazi.
In Trump’s case we’ve got check marks for almost everything, including Nazi salutes. No obvious swastikas I’m aware of, and the numbers of people who have actually died or disappeared while in ICE custody isn’t close to the Holocaust, but we are also only one year into his full fascist term…
Authorotarian right wing people believe in a natural heiraechy in which they put a public strong man at the top. His party is reactionary in directing government function. There is typically a focus on some enemy within which must be removed from society to make it pure again. This is where genocide has occurred historically.
The Socialism part of National Socialism was an appeal to the working class in Germany. A brand name may not be related to the product. I can see how some would confuse the strong man’s, “I am the state”, as public ownership of the means of production.
The Socialism part of National Socialism was an appeal to the working class in Germany.
How is this any different than what Trump is doing with ICE?
Most people are being laid off in the U.S. right now, but ICE is desperate to hire. You don’t need any experience or education to join. In fact, education and thinking too much is downright discouraged, along with the trap of “toxic empathy.”
You get a really great salary, a huge sign on bonus, and benefits. If I quit my job today (with an M.S. and a decade of experience) and went to work for ICE, I might actually be able to afford to buy a house, stop paying rent, and start saving money instead of barely scraping by month to month just to pay my bills (when I can) and buy groceries.
All I would have to do is be willing to round up the “enemy from within,” for the Trump administration and send them to overcrowded private prisons and detention centers where people are literally disappearing and dying preventable deaths on a regular basis.
There’s no way in hell I would be willing to do that because I’ve seen this before and recognize it for exactly what this is. However, I can see how appealing the offer would be if you’re unaware of what’s really going on or if you’re willing to just dissociate and not think about the fact that you’re a fucking Nazi just following orders.
I hope to God I never find myself in a situation where I need to choose between joining ICE (and commiting legalized crimes) or turning to “illegal crime” just to keep my family fed, but my job has just barely continued to be funded multiple times already in 2025.
Again, nobody is hiring right now other than ICE, but for me, I honestly believe “illegal crime” would be the preferable option. I also recognize that by chosing “illegal crime,” I then become a target for incentivized incarceration and officially “part of the enemy from within” (more so than I already am for simply pointing out what’s actually happening here). I risk losing my family, being rounded up as part of a quota by the Trump administration to arrest 5000 people in my city in an operation targeting crime and immigration, and sent to one of the many overcrowded private prisons that this administration and their wealthy friends continue to profit from via these arrest quotas and constantly expanding incarceration rates, alongside the profits they’re making from immigration detention centers/deportation pipelines, Palantir, and other investments in private tech surveillance that helps them spy on and round up these enemies from within.
I’m sorry if this comes off as a little angry/harsh, but how in the fuck am I not supposed to notice the similarities between the Trump administration and Nazism?
It’s not. That’s the problem with them
What makes a Nazi a Nazi other than fascist behavior, a love of authoritarianism, and nationalism + socialism (but only for those who are deemed worthy/appropriate for the nation)?
Genocide
And Nazis DID NOT love socialism, lol. Quite the opposite.
Russia ticks all boxes of genocide too.
Kidnapping kids, terrorizing civilians, killing POWs and their leaders stated that eradicating Ukraine as a nation is their main objective.
Please don’t take anything I said as support for Russia. Putin is a war criminal.
Nazi = fascist in western circles these days, it is as simple as that
The Russian “Nazi” = the western “terrorists” = evil bad motherfuckers have to be exterminated = propaganda to keep people motivated to do war activities
I think his observation still stands when we swap out Nazi for fascist.
Frankly, I think it gets a bit confusing when we lump every horrible authoritarian into the ‘Nazi’ bucket.
There are non-fascist authoritarians. I agree that it might be confusing, but in terms of initial political resistence, I think the first steps are the same.
I agree, though at least fascism is a little more vague and I think that is at least more workable than the very specific Nazi designation.
