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Me: Oh and Mint, could you also add my old printer that I can’t get to work on any other OS I’ve tried?
Mint: Sure thing.
me: hey mint, suspend automatically.
mint: no.
me: suspend manually then.
mint: no.
me: shutdown
mint: no.
…
sudo shutdown nowsudo shutdown now
No.
For your case…
Alt + SysRq + O
Alt + SysRq + R E I S U B
sudo su - && sync && sync && sync && init 0
Let that sync in!
I find that to be the most convenient and also the quickest way.
Ha. On Windows I had this ancient Ethernet Canon IP printer. Windows hated it, even with the supplied Canon drivers and network Utility. It always needed messing with every time to get it to show up as a printer on the network.
When I moved to OpenSUSE I went into YAST2 printer discovery. It found the printer right away, and suggested a model, and asked if I wanted to install the GutenPrint driver for it. Yes please. And do you want to announce this printer to others on your network (via CUPS) Yes. Done. Worked 100% with no Canon utilities.
Fedora gnome was the definition of perfect. It was so stable that it was boring. The KDE one on the other hand…… Let’s say it has never worked for more than a day for me.
Don’t you put that evil on KDE, Ricky Bobby!!
If KDE was a woman… I’d take her out for a 3 course meal, split the bill bc she don’t need no man to take care of her (or her baby), drive her home using the scenic route, walk with her from the car to her front door, then ask for consent before giving her a goodnight kiss
Back when I last tried LM gnome, it would fail to get to the log-in screen every couple weeks. So far haven’t had any major issues with bazzite kde.
I’ve had Fedora on a Thinkpad X300, Thinkpad T420 (what I’m typing on right now), and Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 GA402RK. The last has a Mediatek MT7922, unlike the prior 2 with Intel wireless – and they all have worked flawlessly.
Distro hoping is fine. But there is a certain feeling you get when you can fix your own problems by reading the arch wiki
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you can download the arch wiki on kiwix (for android), it’s like 30 megabytes
Well, shit. Got 2 tebibytes to transfer, guess I’d better start now, hey?
Good thing transferring 2 tebibytes is no slower than 2 kibibytes
Just attach two of these bad boys
Instead of a bird can I just use my station wagon full of tapes?
- Andrew S. Tannenbaum
For shit and giggles, it should be on Arch Wiki too.
On your other Arch laptop, obviously. You need multiple pre-owned ThinkPads loaded with Arch at any given time to maintain workable redundancy, just like you need several clean pairs of programming socks.
…“clean”? Well shit, I have some work to do then!:-P
Your optimism about sock cleanliness is wonderful
Phone or use an offline copy
Going to save this link just in case the Internet goes down one day.
I saved the comment so I can download the wiki if I ever lose internet.
I downloaded all your comments so I could read them in case the Internet stops existing.
I’ve still got a backup copy of The Internet from back in the day when you could install The Internet on your computer using a cd which arrived in the post. I also have a backup pile of optical drives so if necessary I can burn you a copy of The Internet and post it to you? Though I haven’t got a copy of the postal service.
Knowledge don’t rust. What happened happened. It’s static. Sometimes we discover that a speck of dust was in the wrong place, but we got it more or less right. I mean, I could look up shit in our 50 year old encyclopedia and it would still be mostly correct…
Not sure that’ll work, I’ll paste the Wiki here
Beginning with Part 1 of 1,204:
I am a nerd with many computers. That helps.
Whenever I have a Linux box without Internet I just USB tether an Android phone—if the phone is on WiFi then it uses that (not cell), so it’s basically just a WiFi adapter that’s almost universally supported. (I think it NATs, so in some circumstances won’t work, but good enough for most emergency use cases.)
I’ve never tried that. I do the wifi hotspot but what do I need to do USB tether?
The wifi hotspot uses mobile data and requires an active wifi reciever on the computer while the usb tether can use mobile or wifi data and only requires a working usb on the computer.
You basically only plug a usb data cord between the computer and phone, and then activate usb tether in the phones connection settings
With some apple laptops, you have to do something like that in order to get the firmware for the wifi chip in 90% of distros, I think endeavourOS was the only one snacking the correct AUR package right at installation 😇
Just download it and setup on your own server
Another option that’s available is hosting your own Kiwix instance and downloading the Arch Wiki .zim file.
I have a few other .zim’s from the Kiwix library including Alpine Wiki, Stack Overflow, Man pages and a full copy of Wikipedia. There’s a lot available at that Kiwix library which can make for a good offline digital library.
Honestly. Arch has taught me a lot.
I love fixing arch by reading the arch wiki, or fixing ubuntu reading the arch wiki
I set up my login manager for fedora and my grub for fedora using the arch wiki…
or fixing windows by only using WSL and reading the arch wiki
I tried to find a solution for my failing marriage in the arch wiki. The arch wiki instructed me that the problem was consulting the arch wiki. Thanks for saving my marriage, arch wiki!
Distro hoping is fine.
Yeah. I hope my distro keeps working as smooth as always. I really hope.
I use the Arch wiki for non arch stuff
That and the man pages
You guys read man pages?
You ever read the man pages for mount?
The ones for goo are especially satisfying.
Should i?
man mountY’all are using Linux for that?
I won‘t lie the Arch Wiki has not helped me once. Odd threads in the forums or 2 minute long Youtube videos, though? Couldn‘t make it without those.
Total oposite experience for me.
My experience has been the opposite. I built a new PC last year, and only Fedora and Arch recognized the Radeon GPU and the Intel Wi-Fi. Mint was shipping a kernel that was too old to recognize either one.
Agreed. Out of all the distributions I have tried, Fedora (and its various spins and derivatives) are what tend to have everything actually work out of the box.
Opensuse Tumbleweed tho
My first distro has been Nobara after swapping off windows.
It really is dummy proof.
For those on the edge. Just do it. Windows 11 is free to go back to. You risk nothing by giving Linux a try.
The guy behind Nobara does a LOT of important work to make Linux usable at home, especially when it comes to gaming. And in case anyone doesn’t know, he is a software engineer at Red Hat, the company sponsoring Fedora, the distro that Nobara is based on.
On new hardware it’s generally easier to use a rolling release distro in my experience.
You’re more likely to have a newer kernel and drivers that support things like wifi cards.
IMO, you shouldn’t have to learn Arch just to be able to get a new PC. Eventually, people who like Ubuntu and Mint are going to want to upgrade to a new computer, and they might be in for a shock once they do. That kind of thing is what pushes people back to Windows.
If you can’t install something like EndeavourOS or tumble weed then you likely were not going to be able to reload an os anyway.
Installing vanilla arch is a very useful activity to do at least once so you know how the system works but don’t have to use vanilla Arch and can use any of the derivatives so long as it has the latest kernel / drivers for your hardware.
And IMO, that needs to change. Mint has released ISOs with updated kernels which does help. But expecting everybody to eventually graduate to a rolling release distro by the time they want to buy a new PC is just going to send people back to Windows.
How does this happen? Do not most major desktop Linux distros more or less run almost the same kernel with the same driver modules? (Except in the case of Debian being several years behind the rest).
TLDR, computer SAYS NO!
Each distro has its own flavor, and sometimes that flavor leads to things not going the way the user or even maintainer of said desktop applications intended.
But at the end of the day, there’s only one program in control of all the hardware. They’re all getting the kernel from the same place, the distros aren’t writing their own kernels except for a few tweaks here and there.
But at the end of the day, there’s only one program in control of all the hardware.
Is there though? There’s a surprising amount of layers hidden away particularly in the UI. If any one of those layers fucks up then wifi no workie. There’s also like 700 programs that all do the same thing, but not all of them work. Very fun to find out that they changed X in an update and now all the automations you had set up need updating.
The tweaks can make a huge difference on more obscure hardware
Fedora has a policy of not shipping with non-free/proprietary packages. So depending on what wifi adaptor you have the driver might not be present by default. It’s easily fixed by enabling non-free/third party repos after installation, but the annoying gotcha with wifi drivers is you might not have an alternative way to reach the internet to do that.
Mostly but some base distros change the kernel config and other make changes to the code for some reason.
I got two weeks of uni left and afterwards, I’m thinking its time to take the plunge again. I haven’t used linux since I threw ubuntu lite or some shit on a cheap netbook 15 years ago. I remember it working pretty well and not having any major issues out of the box.
Then again, it’s not like I have any trouble with Windows now. My install is almost perfect for me with everything extraneous ripped out. However, it’s more of a moral/philosophical choice at this point to support FOSS and to claw back some of my digital privacy. I wish I could find a way to easily see what software I use will work directly and what I’ll need to find replacements for.
Hey Mint could I have audio please?
Mint: No and never ask again.
I still use it though.
I had the same problem with mint.
The only routine sound issues I have on mint is the output settings don’t stay the same through a reboot, and there doesn’t seem to be a way to permanently disable output for monitor speakers that I don’t have (eg HDMI sound).
So I’m not the only one?!
Tried Fedora KDE just recently, and apparently the latest version broke something and you just get a black screen on some laptops, fresh install and all. Found some random ISO someone posted and that one worked, but kinda crazy it’s been over a month that this is known to not work and the official ISO is still borked
The fix is to use a grubby command to disable rhgb at boot. You can find the fix in the fedora discussion website.
I don’t know if it’s been officially fixed yet, but I’m holding the update for a laptop until it’s fixed.
Well one would surely want the pretty boot screen that affords.
This sounds like an old Nvidia gpu quirk
Nah, it actually affected my main laptop with a modern amd cpu 😅.
I’m actually more into seeing what happens with my computer so it’s not an issue for me, but for fedora users like my gf it might be lame to have it boot up to a black screen (she has a laptop with similar specs).
All good on the wifi front here on Asahi Fedora Linux on Mac mini M1. 😁
People: don’t bother to check if hardware is supported by Linux
Linux: 🤷 Aaah… yeah, I don’t support that… Sorrie? 🤷
People: leenuts suxxx!!!
All my machines run linux but, I mean, that sounds like a distinction without a difference.
To be fair, between the overzealous pushes from the Linux evangelists, the lack of accessible documentation, the buggyness of some of the common software, and the heavily-relied-upon community support, its usually very hard to tell if your experience will go smoothly or not.
For example, previously, when I had problems with Linux Mint, it was with a pretty bog-standard B350m mobo’s built-in sound. According to the dozen or so people I consulted over it, it should have worked, but for whatever reason, didn’t. More recently, I decided to take another shot. I knew my mouse (A Razor Naga X) wasn’t supported, but google told me Open-Razer covered all the important functionality. This turned out to be wrong, as Open-Razer was mostly for customizing RGB and lacked core functionality like button rebinding.
Don’t get me wrong, I still use Linux on some secondary devices, and consider it a (mostly) viable Windows alternative, but blaming all the problems on users ignores the massive number of issues with current Linux desktop.
It’s kind of complicated. I’ve used Linux since Slackware 7 and I still have issues with some drivers.
Sometimes you just already have the hardware. Sometimes the vendor says it’s compatible but it’s not, or you have to compile drivers from a CD. Sometimes it depends on the version of the kernel used. Sometimes it depends on the architecture. Sometimes conditions change and what’s supposed to be working doesn’t.
I don’t think the meme is blaming Linux, it’s just how it is for some people. Some are gonna distro hop, some are gonna compile their own kernel.
If I had a nickle for every time something “supports Linux” but doesn’t actually work properly I’d have so many nickles.
Still to this day I cannot get reliable 6ghz wifi on my Intel NICs. Most of the time I get stuck swapping back and forth between 5 and 6 to the point that it’s slower than even 2.4. I haven’t tried the latest fedora so maybe that’s my ticket to good wifi?
my wifi in mint works perfectly. getting the screen to rotate in tablet mode is another story.
Never had an issue with that, are you perhaps using an Nvidia gpu?
yep. I’ve used the open drivers and the Nvidia drivers. Nvidia drivers seem to work better most of the time but the screen rotation almost never works.
Weirdly, I never had an issue with screen rotation. I always keep my two side monitors in portrait mode. I found it would usually be very minor issue (usually color or compositing related), but every once in a while a new driver would just make the system unbootable and I would get to play the “boot from a thumb drive and play detective game”. If I wanted to do that, I’d play Myst or some shit :)
This was my exact experience with Manjaro.
Try to install Fedora 43 everything goes perfectly installation finished without any problems. Restart and bam I’m in my bios. Restart thinking it’a fluke, bam back to bios. Try again with a different setup USB bam bios… Ask around try what people are saying bam back to bios… This happened to me on old MSI laptop from 2015 and the new Asus from 2024… I’m beginning to think Fedora is allergic to me.
That’s a weird-un. I moved to Fedora specifically because I wanted a no-nonsense distro, and for the last 7 years it’s delivered on various desk- and laptops, knock-on-wood.
Yeah it’s very weird, but that’s my luck. Weird problems finds me. I’m happy with my cachyOS setup so, can’t complain much.
It’s probably a bootloader issue. Either grub got misconfigured, or uegi/msdos shenanigans.
Tried almost everything about it. Nothing worked. I spend a good amount of time to solve it. Fun fact Nobara was also doing the same bios trick. I asked around their discord as well and they couldn’t help me either.
This sounds very odd. I have tinkered with countless of systems (since 15+ years), I never had an unresolved issue with installing a distro. What is usually the issue? It installs fine by doesn’t boot? Do you make it till the grub menu?
Yes it’s odd and people whom I talked to told me they also hear about it first time. I download the iso verify put it on the USB, boot into USB setup comes no problems partition or other wise no error, no messages. Everything install normally. There is no grub nothing, restart the laptop and boot directly into bios.
It sounds like bios shenanigans, secure boot or Legacy mode enabled or so. If grub doesn’t show up, I would try to go into bios, and override the boot choice to see it would work. Disable legacy and make sure the compatibility. But indeed, sounds very niche.
I’ve been there done that. Tried all the bios settings. Nothing worked.
I used to had linux mint in an old computer and for some reason the wifi didn’t work. I asked a couple of times how to fix it but was ignored everytime. I didn’t care because I used it connected it with the network cable, but my wife was really frustrated because she can’t take it around the house to listen to music and so. After a while of me telling her that I would fix it, she got really mad and told me that if in 2 weeks the wifi of that wasn’t working she would pay a technician to install windows on it. So I came back, not asking for a fix for the wifi bit for other distro easy to use like Mint and talked about the reason why I was leaving mint. And now, of course, people was willing to help me fix the wifi and even wrote me a script to execute on start to fix it.
she got really mad and told me that if in 2 weeks the wifi of that wasn’t working she would pay a technician to install windows on it
That sounds super toxic tbh.
Sound more like tongue in cheek to me, but it is impossible to tell from this few sentence comment.
Why? Imagine your house’s door doesn’t work so you have to make a long trip through the back. You keep asking your partner to fix it. They insist they’ll get the door working. Either they can’t or don’t, doesn’t matter, but you have the money and are willing to pay for someone to fix it. Your partner insists they can fix it. I think it’s reasonable to say something like “if it’s not fixed in two weeks I’m paying someone to fix it.”
A door is not a computer. Treating your SO like your child is very toxic. If you still don’t see the problem I truly feel sorry for whoever you’re with.
Edit: A fully formed adult mind (referencing the wife from earlier) would conclude they should get a Windows computer for their very own, not manipulate and humiliate someone else.
I used to had linux mint in an old computer and for some reason the wifi didn’t work.
To me this implies it isn’t their primary computer. It’s not “manipulating and humiliating” someone else. It’s just saying, “you’ve been saying you’d fix this but it hasn’t worked, I need to use this computer for something.”
And no need to feel sorry for my wife. We’ve been together over half our lives, married for over a decade, and extremely happy with each other. My wife has done things like this to me. It’s not toxic or manipulative. Sometimes I overestimate my own skills and/or get distracted with other things.
If you’re like me and you work with computers for a living and you don’t really want to put in the hard work of fixing computers at home, you can do what I did. Which is to download an abliterated local AI and tell it what the problem is and what specs you’re working with and it will almost always fix it for you in like five minutes.
And when it doesn’t fix it in five minutes, it will destroy your operating system with whatever commands it tells you to paste in a terminal, and you were going to be wiping and reinstalling it anyway, so nothing lost.
Mfs can’t fix a wifi and are asked to install a maintain a local llm server.
all this time spent on setting up a local llm and reinstalling a whole system + setting it up again instead of reading the documentation 😭😭😭
When I first started using Linux, I was told that if I had a problem, I shouldn’t give a well-reasoned, well-documented description of what’s wrong and what steps I’ve tried, because everyone will ignore it. Instead, I was told to say that Linux sucks because I’m having this problem and I’d get 3.8 million angry fixes within 10 minutes.
This is true of nearly every topic.
