Half the things you don’t need to do daily.
Which half?
You don’t need to buy food every day, or do laundry, or hoover, clean/tidy. Meditating is not for everyone and for some people even socialising is not a daily necessity.
Cook and wash up 3x daily - this is also crazy. If it is supposedly a workday, you won’t be home for lunch. And you don’t want to or have to cook every time you’re home, and for the dishes, there exist dishwashers (if you don’t have one, make sure you get one, this is the single best thing that happened to us if we talk about chores. We had a 12+people party yesterday, and it only took 2 runs to not think about dishes, over than 30mins for putting them into the washer).
I think the washing machine edges out the dishwasher but they are my 1 and 2. If I had to live on a deserted island and could only take two things with me it’s my washing machine and dishwasher.
Oh, sorry, I both was born in and live in a place where a washing machine is something that is there by default. Yes, this is not given, and in this case washing machine is more important
No, no! Everyone can afford what you’ve always had. They’re clearly just too lazy, unlike the perfect billionaires you’ll never have an unkind word for.
Are you ok? I just humbly confirmed that I considered something I’ve always had a given, where it is not. The billionaires thing: do we know each other?
Also, what I always had, I’ve had in different forms. Like, when I was a kid, we had this Siberia-6 washing machine, which was ok for the Soviet Union that was crumbling into pieces around us, but by the western standards, the technology was like something from the 60s. It was such shit that I washed my socks by hand, does it count?
I also wore said socks until they had giant holes in them, same as my sweaters. I was only talking about this with my billionaire friends, but now you also know.
Even then, you can socialize during a lot of this, too. Cook with friends. Have community meals. Socialize with coworkers. Etc.
Edit: It’s funny, I’ll say ‘Unionize’ and anyone with half a brain will cheer, but the second I say “Hey maybe it would be good to build actual community with people you want to build defenses against capitalism with,” I’m the bad guy
Work.
But, I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we need another study about how we’re all actually more productive when we’re required to be at work for fewer hours.
Nope. We just need to have even less time to do anything, don’t you know that rich people can afford to hire servants? Therefore everyone can and the poor are just lazy.
And there are hundreds of other necessary activities that aren’t listed here. What is your point? The point of the post is that this person (and many others) feel overburdened by the pressures and requirements of modern society. Pointing out that the specific chore of vacuuming doesn’t have to happen every day isn’t astute.
The whole comment would fit into literally any time period.
If that’s true, which I question very much as the pressures of modern society are significantly more encompassing than in the past, that only means we’ve been doing it wrong the whole time.
they aren’t. people just say that to feel good.
living life as a european peasant was less burden some, in that you died by 30-35, and only 1/2 children survived past 5 years old.
or maybe you’d rather be working 10 hours a day in a factory from the age of 10, losing your limbs in an accident, and being a begger the rest of your life? that was life for many pre ww1
Work all day in the field
Sleep
Am I the only one who finds this impossible?
You’re right! Why should we try to fix it now?
We should make it even worse and then deny it was ever better than it is right now!
they are overburdened by basic adulthood.
that’s a character flaw. not a society flaw.
none of these things are onerous burdens. they are minimal. nobody is asking them to train 2-3 hours a day for a marathon.
What is “hoover?”
A British-English term for vacuum. I would have fit that under clean/tidy personally
Specifically it’s a brand of vacuum cleaner.
7.5 hours a day
I’m not sure if this is referring to work or sleep, but something that’s been bothering me about the ‘8 hour workday’ / a ‘9 to 5’ is that’s just not how it is in my experience. It’s 8:00 - 5:00 with an hour lunch break that is certainly less than an hour and at your desk.
I spend about 9.5 hours each work day in work mode.
Yea, we can’t actually just appear at work, and start producing instantly, then be home to enjoy the rest. Our whole lives have to revolve around work. It is the real reason people start losing IQ after a certain age.
Depends how fast you can move. What your reflexes are.
capitalism
You need to sleep as much as you need, walk as much as you need.
Stop listening to other people, listen to your own body.
Proceeds to sleep for 12 hours
Regularly sleeping >8 hours is a sign of a health problem: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/oversleeping-bad-for-your-health
Not more than 8, but more than 9, yes
Those aren’t the biggest problems
Unfortunately, most managers cannot recognize the benefits of letting workers start their commute when said workers start the clock, and eat on the job if necessary reaps such vast rewards in long term employee retention and output.
Friendly reminder that medieval peasants only spent 20-30 hours per week working the land.
But that doesn’t mean the other hours were just leisure time, maintenance of tools, clothing, house, etc also took up quite some time.
This is not historically accurate. They had 2-3 months of religious holiday where they were not working. Also every Sunday, no work.
Don’t be an ignorant wage slave. It’s cringe.
They had 2-3 months of religious holiday where they were not working. Also every Sunday, no work.
I can only speak for myself, but I don’t work on Saturdays and Sundays. And I don’t have any religious obligations on those days, so I’ve got them all to myself.
So that’s almost two months worth of Saturdays and on top of that I’ve got a month of paid leave and 7 holiday days.
Work-wise I’m not going to day we have it better or that we aren’t being exploited, but I sure know I wouldn’t want to trade places with a medieval peasant.
Go find some billionaire’s balls to lick.
Additionally, in times when the crops required less care (so not planting or harvesting) peasants were required by their lords to do various amounts of labor. Like “build X feet of fences per year, mend Y feet of fences, serve Z days of conscripted labor”, etc.
So on the one hand, peasants weren’t ruled by the tyranny of the clock like we are, but on the other: work still had to get done, was much less efficient than today (bc technology), and was often unpaid
At the other hand, the lord did have obligations to the peasantry as well. Providing protection is a fairly well known one, but it could also be stuff like providing their people with meat at least once a week. An example that we know of is a case where a complaint was raised by peasants (and won!) because their lord had only provided fish (or maybe duck, as that was considered fish as well) for too long a period.
Simping for inequalityand theft of automation-gains, .world, name a more iconic duo
I’m not sure how adding a bit of nuance to the suggestion that medieval peasants might have less working hours than we do is “simping for inequality”.
I don’t endorse inequality, on the contrary. Hell, the party I vote for in my country is so left it makes Bernie Sanders look like a rightwinger in comparison.
a bit of nuance
But only one decontextualized fact that supports my position and not a more robust understanding or anything that would be be genuinely complicated. Not too much.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medieval-peasants-worked-150-days/
If anyone is promoting decontextualized facts, it’s those claiming midevial peasants only worked X days (with the implication being they had way more leisure time than modern workers). Not only is that claim contested, it does not account for unpaid work, and it only started being true at all after the black death, when economic activity ground to a halt and there were huge labor imbalances. It was not a good time to be alive.
The argument isn’t that it was a good time to be alive. The argument is that they did it and with no tools no modern machinery no fossil fuels no electricity they still had a world and food and shelter.
they also died by 30 and 50% of children died by age 5.
had horrible nutrition, health, and zero education. oh and if you get a minor cut or injury? death.
What is this statistic precisely? I assume that it’s on “average” AKA including people who only do housework.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medieval-peasants-worked-150-days/
Here’s some more context, and yes it doesn’t include housework.
Get really good roommates and split costs. Me and mine hire a maid service because between our incomes we have everything we need covered. We also have our backs as far as commuting and food costs sometimes. It takes a village, modern society tries to tell us otherwise to keep us weak. Rigged individualism is not sustainable.
Also have three or four children to perpetrate the system, work for tips while studying, consume and save for your own retirement. And if you get sick, your whole family loses everything.
Oh, and be thankful you’re in the best possible economic system and socialism is bad, so bad.
What in OPs post is not applicable to socialism?
We’d have a lot more time for looking after our own wellbeing if we weren’t unnecessarily labouring so much. As time goes on, we are forced to work more and more, despite ever increasing productivity. Under capitalism, record profits are never enough
In Socialism there isn’t as much pressure. That way you don’t need to meditate. Also they cram everything into one day. You don’t need to meet friends an clean your house on the same day.
The walking 10k steps is bs.
10k was just arbitrarily picked. More walking is of course healthier than less though.
And traditionally one person (and/or a parade of children) contributed to those tasks full time.
exactly 10k is bullshit, but I don’t see why it still can’t be a cutoff. 3-5k is too low, 20k+ only happens when you are actually hiking or sightseeing all day while travelling (unless you have a work where you run back and forth all day)
The scientifically proven cutoff is 7,500 steps: https://mcpress.mayoclinic.org/nutrition-fitness/does-hitting-10000-steps-a-day-really-make-a-difference/
No this is all pretty easy actually.
I maintain a good chunk of people who find normal living difficult have subtle, undiagnosed health problems.
That’s how it hit me at first: a feeling that I couldn’t keep up. Surprise, it ended up being a serious genetic disorder.
The amount of people who are blaming the poor for burnout in this thread is unsurprising, since this is lemmy.
Liberals view poor as a failure of individuals, not society at large. Liberals hate the poor. Lemmy is liberal.
You need to lookup what liberal means, especially modern liberalism.
You’re describing conservatism and “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” bullshit, which is not lemmy in my experience. At all.
Yeah almost like liberals are closer to conservatives. Means testing doesn’t solve poverty, it’s why liberals do it.
Everybody get a robot vacuum with a mopping function. It saves so freaking much time for me and my floors are always clean. Not that expensive any more, too. Black Friday had some great sales going on.
I dream of collective production and consumption of food. De-individualize feasting!
We’re supposed to live communally so you’re not the only one doing all this maintaining. You’re right, and I share your dream!
A better world is possible friend. We will see the world we dream of or live creating it for the people we love 😘
