Ah, the classic thought terminators. Add eating babies and pets next while you’re just saying shit. But while we’re on the subject of atrocity: do you think nazis might do those things? To, let’s say roughly 13,000 people in eastern Ukraine? Someone should probably intervene in a situation like that, don’t you think?
There are fascists in Russia, too. Russia and Putin strongly express elements of fascism. Putin does not care about Nazis in Ukraine. They were invoked as an excuse to justify the invasion.
Your apologetics for atrocities is really disgusting.
A carnival of excuses for the nazis actually running the show in Ukraine. Its interesting that you act like this war began out of nowhere, and ignore the 13,000 Ukranian civilians murdered by their own government for being “too Russian”. Your apologetics for atrocities is really disgusting.
Both sides of the conflict are indictable, but atrocities cannot be excused on the same basis as war.
Please clarify “13,000 Ukranian civilians murdered by their own government”. Casualties in conflict are not murder, much less murder committed by the “by their own government”, even if the conflict could have been avoided.
None of these mention rape, we all know you just threw that one in there to bolster your “the enemy is animals who cannot be reasoned with” claim. Same as Israel did with Hamas: pretend the other side is made of of mindless monsters so that anything your side does, no matter how fascist, is part of an existential struggle and therefore totally justified.
Bro, lemmy is overrun by this shit… It’s so disheartening. I just got banned from posting in memes for arguing that Ukraine’s far right problem is as nuanced as the US’s… Russian propaganda is a fucking cancer on the world.
Ukraine has institutionalized fascists that uphold Bandera, that banned all left parties, dissolve unions and privatize everything for western capital (textbook facism)
Putins Russia is right wing but doesn’t have the same amount institutionalized facism
All we can do is push back with facts. Invariably, their arguments devolve into whataboutism and name-calling because they know there aren’t any facts that back up their bullshit.
As long as they’re the ones crashing out, we come out of those interactions looking better than they do.
That a patch makes the massacre of women and children excusable? Somehow a piece of fabric makes it okay to kill civilians?
IF that guy is actually wearing that patch, fine. Prosecute him. Doesn’t excuse, justify, or invalidate the MOUNTAIN of evidence of Russian war crimes.
You seem to think the word ‘facts’ means to call anyone who demonstrates wrongthink a pernicious scheming (((russian))) so I don’t think you look as good as you think you do
Even if it did happen, what exactly is reckless about it??? Putin fucked around, he needs to find out.
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For 1 it didn’t happen, and for 2 even if it did, so the fuck what?
Well you see, killing a head of state typically invokes a serious response, and may itself be seen as “fucking around”
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More serious than invading their country, kidnapping their children, and raping their women?
Ah, the classic thought terminators. Add eating babies and pets next while you’re just saying shit. But while we’re on the subject of atrocity: do you think nazis might do those things? To, let’s say roughly 13,000 people in eastern Ukraine? Someone should probably intervene in a situation like that, don’t you think?
There are fascists in Russia, too. Russia and Putin strongly express elements of fascism. Putin does not care about Nazis in Ukraine. They were invoked as an excuse to justify the invasion.
Your apologetics for atrocities is really disgusting.
Whataboutism
A carnival of excuses for the nazis actually running the show in Ukraine. Its interesting that you act like this war began out of nowhere, and ignore the 13,000 Ukranian civilians murdered by their own government for being “too Russian”. Your apologetics for atrocities is really disgusting.
By the way, what do you think the reason for the invasion is? Some braindead shit about “more land” or “wanting to bring back the soviet union”? Or are you so immersed in an action movie reality that you don’t even wonder, because there are simply Good Guys and Bad Guys?
Both sides of the conflict are indictable, but atrocities cannot be excused on the same basis as war.
Please clarify “13,000 Ukranian civilians murdered by their own government”. Casualties in conflict are not murder, much less murder committed by the “by their own government”, even if the conflict could have been avoided.
he’s talking about the campaign of ethnic cleansing your heroes were committing before the war started that led to the war
don’t know how the fuck you twist your brain into not calling it murder, but you are defending an openly nazi government after all
Who are my heroes?
Regardless, please clarify “the campaign of ethnic cleansing”.
Oh so you’re saying they’ll start eating babies and pets too if they try to strike Putin’s house. Ok got it.
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“Independent Legal Analysis of the Russian Federation’s Breaches of the Genocide Convention in Ukraine and the Duty to Prevent”
‘Знищують за те, що українці’. Правники та дипломати наголошують на геноциді в Бучі, " They are being destroyed because they are Ukrainians"
“Russia’s Bucha ‘Facts’ Versus the Evidence”
“Russia/Ukraine: Invasion of Ukraine is an act of aggression and human rights catastrophe”
“War crimes, indiscriminate attacks on infrastructure, systematic and widespread torture show disregard for civilians, says UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine”
None of these mention rape, we all know you just threw that one in there to bolster your “the enemy is animals who cannot be reasoned with” claim. Same as Israel did with Hamas: pretend the other side is made of of mindless monsters so that anything your side does, no matter how fascist, is part of an existential struggle and therefore totally justified.
Bro, lemmy is overrun by this shit… It’s so disheartening. I just got banned from posting in memes for arguing that Ukraine’s far right problem is as nuanced as the US’s… Russian propaganda is a fucking cancer on the world.
Lemmy was created by communists, the communists have been here since the start of Lemmy.
You’re right, which is why I want both of them to lose.
Based mods. And fuck off if you’re trying to normalize facism
Fuck fascism.
Ukraine is not fascist… Putin’s Russia is…
Ukraine has institutionalized fascists that uphold Bandera, that banned all left parties, dissolve unions and privatize everything for western capital (textbook facism)
Putins Russia is right wing but doesn’t have the same amount institutionalized facism
All we can do is push back with facts. Invariably, their arguments devolve into whataboutism and name-calling because they know there aren’t any facts that back up their bullshit.
As long as they’re the ones crashing out, we come out of those interactions looking better than they do.
Soooo, what are you asserting by this photo?
That a patch makes the massacre of women and children excusable? Somehow a piece of fabric makes it okay to kill civilians?
IF that guy is actually wearing that patch, fine. Prosecute him. Doesn’t excuse, justify, or invalidate the MOUNTAIN of evidence of Russian war crimes.
Your whataboutism is utterly staggering.
You seem to think the word ‘facts’ means to call anyone who demonstrates wrongthink a pernicious scheming (((russian))) so I don’t think you look as good as you think you do
Literally saying out loud you got banned for doing nazi apologia and acting like people should be outraged for your cause
Lemmy is indeed fucking overrun with this shit
I’m not apologizing for nazis. The fuck are you talking about?
Listen you need to shut the fuck up about the nazis running the country I am doing war crime apologia for because
I t ’ s C o m p l i c a t e d
OMG FUCK YOU SAYING I’M DEFENDING NAZIS
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Russia really did do the atrocious things you’re pretending to not be aware of.