Ah, the classic thought terminators. Add eating babies and pets next while you’re just saying shit. But while we’re on the subject of atrocity: do you think nazis might do those things? To, let’s say roughly 13,000 people in eastern Ukraine? Someone should probably intervene in a situation like that, don’t you think?
There are fascists in Russia, too. Russia and Putin strongly express elements of fascism. Putin does not care about Nazis in Ukraine. They were invoked as an excuse to justify the invasion.
Your apologetics for atrocities is really disgusting.
A carnival of excuses for the nazis actually running the show in Ukraine. Its interesting that you act like this war began out of nowhere, and ignore the 13,000 Ukranian civilians murdered by their own government for being “too Russian”. Your apologetics for atrocities is really disgusting.
Both sides of the conflict are indictable, but atrocities cannot be excused on the same basis as war.
Please clarify “13,000 Ukranian civilians murdered by their own government”. Casualties in conflict are not murder, much less murder committed by the “by their own government”, even if the conflict could have been avoided.
The Banderites, after taking power and restricting things like the Russian language, responded to Donetsk and Luhansk seceding by shelling them, killing 13,000+ civilians between 2014 and 2022. Have a Reuters link and a link to OSCE itself. Toss in Human Rights Watch for good measure. Plenty of good sources. The point is that this same Banderite regime had amassed a ton of forces in the Donbass region and dramatically increased shelling in 2022, which prompted the DPR and LPR to request aid from Russia, to which they accepted.
The osce and hrw links say nothing casualties. The hrw strongly suggests that the shelling of a working kindergarten was done by russian backed separatists.
The Reuters article does back your number, buslt doesn’t suggest a campaign of ethnic cleansing by either side
None of these mention rape, we all know you just threw that one in there to bolster your “the enemy is animals who cannot be reasoned with” claim. Same as Israel did with Hamas: pretend the other side is made of of mindless monsters so that anything your side does, no matter how fascist, is part of an existential struggle and therefore totally justified.
Bro, lemmy is overrun by this shit… It’s so disheartening. I just got banned from posting in memes for arguing that Ukraine’s far right problem is as nuanced as the US’s… Russian propaganda is a fucking cancer on the world.
All we can do is push back with facts. Invariably, their arguments devolve into whataboutism and name-calling because they know there aren’t any facts that back up their bullshit.
As long as they’re the ones crashing out, we come out of those interactions looking better than they do.
That a patch makes the massacre of women and children excusable? Somehow a piece of fabric makes it okay to kill civilians?
IF that guy is actually wearing that patch, fine. Prosecute him. Doesn’t excuse, justify, or invalidate the MOUNTAIN of evidence of Russian war crimes.
I am asserting that simping for an entire government of Hitler-worshipping goose steppers just because the news told you to does not, in fact, make you look better than us
“It’s just a piece of fabric bro! How dare you invade Germany Ukraine!”
If a nazi army is massacring thousands of people, they should be stopped, right?
“Oh but Russia-”
Cease your whataboutism, you useful idiot. The Russian intervention in Ukraine has been characterized by an aversion to civillian casualties unseen in modern wars, magnitudes less than the US invasion of Iraq, for example. My Arma buddy in Odessa still has power, heating, clean water and internet, four things the RF could and would easily remove if they were actually waging a war against Ukraine’s people and not it’s fascist US puppet government. You have to pretend otherwise though, you have to pretend they’re doing what Ukraine’s ally Israel is doing, because that’s the only way you can justify cheering for seig heiling, terror bombing, raping, torturing, for-the-glory-of-the-white-race fucking neo nazis. Your willful ignorance is pathetic, and one day you and every other morally vacuous imperialist will pretend you never supported this, just like every other nazi supporter after they start and lose a war of ethnic cleansing. Time is a flat circle.
You seem to think the word ‘facts’ means to call anyone who demonstrates wrongthink a pernicious scheming (((russian))) so I don’t think you look as good as you think you do
More serious than invading their country, kidnapping their children, and raping their women?
Ah, the classic thought terminators. Add eating babies and pets next while you’re just saying shit. But while we’re on the subject of atrocity: do you think nazis might do those things? To, let’s say roughly 13,000 people in eastern Ukraine? Someone should probably intervene in a situation like that, don’t you think?
There are fascists in Russia, too. Russia and Putin strongly express elements of fascism. Putin does not care about Nazis in Ukraine. They were invoked as an excuse to justify the invasion.
Your apologetics for atrocities is really disgusting.
Whataboutism
A carnival of excuses for the nazis actually running the show in Ukraine. Its interesting that you act like this war began out of nowhere, and ignore the 13,000 Ukranian civilians murdered by their own government for being “too Russian”. Your apologetics for atrocities is really disgusting.
By the way, what do you think the reason for the invasion is? Some braindead shit about “more land” or “wanting to bring back the soviet union”? Or are you so immersed in an action movie reality that you don’t even wonder, because there are simply Good Guys and Bad Guys?
Both sides of the conflict are indictable, but atrocities cannot be excused on the same basis as war.
Please clarify “13,000 Ukranian civilians murdered by their own government”. Casualties in conflict are not murder, much less murder committed by the “by their own government”, even if the conflict could have been avoided.
he’s talking about the campaign of ethnic cleansing your heroes were committing before the war started that led to the war
don’t know how the fuck you twist your brain into not calling it murder, but you are defending an openly nazi government after all
Who are my heroes?
Regardless, please clarify “the campaign of ethnic cleansing”.
The Banderites, after taking power and restricting things like the Russian language, responded to Donetsk and Luhansk seceding by shelling them, killing 13,000+ civilians between 2014 and 2022. Have a Reuters link and a link to OSCE itself. Toss in Human Rights Watch for good measure. Plenty of good sources. The point is that this same Banderite regime had amassed a ton of forces in the Donbass region and dramatically increased shelling in 2022, which prompted the DPR and LPR to request aid from Russia, to which they accepted.
The osce and hrw links say nothing casualties. The hrw strongly suggests that the shelling of a working kindergarten was done by russian backed separatists.
The Reuters article does back your number, buslt doesn’t suggest a campaign of ethnic cleansing by either side
Ukraine represses separatist movements, just like Russia and every other state.
How does it bear on Russia having committed atrocities?
What word do you need sounded out? What are you confused about? What needs clarification?
You were told the thing. Maybe punch it into duck duck go instead of folding your arms and digging your heels in.
Like the burden of you learning what you’re taking a strong fucking stand on should fall on the people you’re being oppositional towards.
The ones you slava
Identifying a few factions, dates, and names of the events would be a solid way to respond to a request for clarification.
Do you describe the Second World War as “bad thing where people died”, or could you think of more details that elucidate the events?
Oh so you’re saying they’ll start eating babies and pets too if they try to strike Putin’s house. Ok got it.
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“Independent Legal Analysis of the Russian Federation’s Breaches of the Genocide Convention in Ukraine and the Duty to Prevent”
‘Знищують за те, що українці’. Правники та дипломати наголошують на геноциді в Бучі, " They are being destroyed because they are Ukrainians"
“Russia’s Bucha ‘Facts’ Versus the Evidence”
“Russia/Ukraine: Invasion of Ukraine is an act of aggression and human rights catastrophe”
“War crimes, indiscriminate attacks on infrastructure, systematic and widespread torture show disregard for civilians, says UN Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine”
None of these mention rape, we all know you just threw that one in there to bolster your “the enemy is animals who cannot be reasoned with” claim. Same as Israel did with Hamas: pretend the other side is made of of mindless monsters so that anything your side does, no matter how fascist, is part of an existential struggle and therefore totally justified.
Bro, lemmy is overrun by this shit… It’s so disheartening. I just got banned from posting in memes for arguing that Ukraine’s far right problem is as nuanced as the US’s… Russian propaganda is a fucking cancer on the world.
Lemmy was created by communists, the communists have been here since the start of Lemmy.
You’re right, which is why I want both of them to lose.
Based mods. And fuck off if you’re trying to normalize facism
All we can do is push back with facts. Invariably, their arguments devolve into whataboutism and name-calling because they know there aren’t any facts that back up their bullshit.
As long as they’re the ones crashing out, we come out of those interactions looking better than they do.
Soooo, what are you asserting by this photo?
That a patch makes the massacre of women and children excusable? Somehow a piece of fabric makes it okay to kill civilians?
IF that guy is actually wearing that patch, fine. Prosecute him. Doesn’t excuse, justify, or invalidate the MOUNTAIN of evidence of Russian war crimes.
Your whataboutism is utterly staggering.
I am asserting that simping for an entire government of Hitler-worshipping goose steppers just because the news told you to does not, in fact, make you look better than us
You responded to evidence of Ukrainian Nazis by deflecting to Russia, and then you accuse other people of whataboutism
You seem to think it gives the people who wear it permission
Whataboutism is when you talk about the thing we’re talking about and not the thing I’m trying to divert to
It’s not just a meaningless mouth noise I use to stop having to engage. I’m a real person not an npc
“I’m a real person not an NPC!”
Someone sounds upset. I would imagine the cognitive dissonance of trying to defend genocide gets pretty stressful after a while.
You have my sympathies.
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“It’s just a piece of fabric bro! How dare you invade
GermanyUkraine!”If a nazi army is massacring thousands of people, they should be stopped, right?
“Oh but Russia-”
Cease your whataboutism, you useful idiot. The Russian intervention in Ukraine has been characterized by an aversion to civillian casualties unseen in modern wars, magnitudes less than the US invasion of Iraq, for example. My Arma buddy in Odessa still has power, heating, clean water and internet, four things the RF could and would easily remove if they were actually waging a war against Ukraine’s people and not it’s fascist US puppet government. You have to pretend otherwise though, you have to pretend they’re doing what Ukraine’s ally Israel is doing, because that’s the only way you can justify cheering for seig heiling, terror bombing, raping, torturing, for-the-glory-of-the-white-race fucking neo nazis. Your willful ignorance is pathetic, and one day you and every other morally vacuous imperialist will pretend you never supported this, just like every other nazi supporter after they start and lose a war of ethnic cleansing. Time is a flat circle.
You seem to think the word ‘facts’ means to call anyone who demonstrates wrongthink a pernicious scheming (((russian))) so I don’t think you look as good as you think you do
Literally saying out loud you got banned for doing nazi apologia and acting like people should be outraged for your cause
Lemmy is indeed fucking overrun with this shit
I’m not apologizing for nazis. The fuck are you talking about?
Listen you need to shut the fuck up about the nazis running the country I am doing war crime apologia for because
I t ’ s C o m p l i c a t e d
OMG FUCK YOU SAYING I’M DEFENDING NAZIS
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Just like Israel! It’s c o m p l I c a t e d! But anyway have I told you how
HamasRussia is worse??Russia really did do the atrocious things you’re pretending to not be aware of.