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AI generated slop, ICE would not have stopped, ICE would have ran her over and told you to ignore your lying eyes. Though it certainly puts tank man in perspective, it wasn’t just tank man, it was those driving and commanding that tank who still had enough shame to stop and not trample them.
Have you seen the full video? Tank man climbs on top of the tank to yell at the commander
Do you actually know what happened at Tiananmen Square?
Tank man was the day after. The night before, they turned a massive student protest into a slurry that they pushed into the sewers. There was no shame.
You seem to think I’m trying to justify the Tiananmen Square when I’m just putting one particular incident in perspective to how ICE usually acts. Your gross oversimplifcations seem to want to act like whataboutism to how much worse the Tiananmen Square by portraying it into a caricature of “a massive student protest into a slurry that they pushed into the sewers”.
It got pretty bad, a lot worse than any particular ICE incident up to date, but in a lot of ways it was served to the people just like ICE is being served up. People in the US should really inform themselves better with nuance, because the nuance is that it’s far closer to how ICE is acting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre#Military_action
This is only a year into Trump’s second term and it’s already this bad. Just look at how long it took Hitler. I’m one of the people that follow several China youtubers, who supports how they can be an outlet for criticism that could not be made any other way in China, but I’ve gotta say, it has been revealing how much they are willing to ignore what is happening in the US and how illegal the operation against Venezuela was to the point that I now ask how much their bias is influencing them taking about outliers as if they were representative of the whole. The standard you compare against matters.
There were tanks that mowed down people in Tiananmen Square Massacre, but in the infamous particular photo that made Tank Man famous, it really does characterize the restraint of that particular commander and/or driver from their shame, specially because others in the same massacre didn’t. It’s used to illustrate what difference one instance of opposition can make, but it’s also inherently only possible because that tank chose not to make that guy an statistic. The thing is, you are much more likely to get someone in the military to doubt themselves when facing its from an army that made up of the general geographic group of your peers than you are from one specially made to include the most racist, narcissistic, and power-tripping members of it. That’s why soldiers get a lot of the post traumatic stress disorder than some of these assholes never will (and neither do I think Jonathan Ross was suffering from it).
You seem to think I’m trying to justify the Tiananmen Square
I did no such thing. I was just pointing out that the “restraint” by the tank drivers the following day is not at all representative of the actual massacre
Do you actually know what happened at Tiananmen Square?
Ok, so understanding events = justification of those events now?
How does this even get upvoted, are people even reading this shit?
Your gaslighting is bad and you should feel bad.
The fuck are you even talking about. Please, explain how I’m gaslighting.
So according to the tankie narrative, what this woman is really doing is telling them to go back and do their jobs
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Fuck yes you guys are good
Tankie?
litteraly happened in iran and nobody cared, but you need ia to fantazize your own fake martyr
nobody cared
Trump Threatens Iran Intervention. History Shows When Foreign Support Works
Somebody clearly cares
Iran doesn’t claim to be the most noble democracy on earth 😂
but american claim their country is worse than iran. Really funny how the mindless need his im a victim juice while litteraly living in the richest place in the riches time of humankind.
american claim their country is worse than iran
The worst country in the world is the one that is oppressing me, personally.
ok you dont even pretend to be objective. how opress are you ?
What good does a handful of billionaires’ wealth do the poor in the US?
yeah looking at the obesity rate that s sure it s no yemen nor africa. Dont start with the im not privileged for living in usa. You are.
I’m not living there, don’t assume things. And why do you think obesity means wealth? The trash food that makes their people fat and unhealthy is very much an expression of poverty. The wealthy there east healthy food.
a por person in the usa is still richer than a majority of the world. You express it how you want but that s a literal fact.
A homeless person freezing to death on the winter streets in the US is as poor as a homeless person starving in Lebanon. Who cares if one of them has a banged-up smartphone. They’re both dying.
It is photoshopped. US americans don’t have guts to directly confront their government.
I mean, that’s a very sweeping generalisation, which sort of ignores reality. There’s clearly a lot of protesting, and I, as I’m sure you have as well, have seen videos of people being murdered on the street to the cries of “stop resisting” even when the person didn’t do jack shit, only tried to hold on to their 1st and 4th amendment rights. And the end up under the knee of some psycho powertripper, repeating “I can’t breathe” for minutes before finally succumbing to death.
Also nowadays I believe using AI is rather more common than photoshop.
The flaw in your logic is ICE doesn’t have the guts to identify themselves or their vehicles.
Both. Both? Both.
That’s such an easy thing to say from the anonymity of the internet.
ICE trucks are Tanks from AliExpress.
Brave women
The difference being that in the original the protester was safe after the fact:
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Liberals don’t want truth or justice, they want a self serving narrative that disguises their contempt for people they feel are beneath them.
Sorry your feelings got hurt.
A) The image isn’t even an actual event. The person doesn’t exist. Therefore they are neither safe nor unsafe.
B) Sparing the life of one citizen after murdering hundreds is not the flex you think it is
It’s not just an image, it’s a video depicting a column of tanks leaving a Tiananmen square suspiciously empty of squished bodies. Tanks that, after having supposedly finished squishing hundreds of protestors that aren’t seen, just stop for one single guy who stops them and and even talks to the guys inside the first tank.
You should at least learn to comprehend English before spouting bullshit. The OP is an image which actually doesn’t feature any tanks at all! Always these mother fuckers dropping in with copy and paste internet warrior bullshit without even understanding context. This shit has to come from A) low-grade troll farms, B) Terrible LLMs or C) people with inconceivably bad grasp of the English language.
The post I replied to was attempting to compare an actual, factual scenario against an imaginary scenario that never took place where anyway is anything and whisful thinking overrides reality. “Making shit up” to push political agendas is vile and disgusting and is called propaganda.
Governmentz murdering innocent people is bad. Full stop. This isn’t West vs East tribal war bullshit. It’s a damn universal concept. Just swallow that tyrannical governments are bad. It doesn’t matter their location, or politics or ethnicity of the perpetrators. It’s still wrong and will always be wrong.
I hope anybody who disagrees gets everythings they’ve ever dreamed of.
What? Are you talking about the literal op image itself and not what it’s referencing?
And again, I’m highlighting the absurdity the a bunch of tanks that had supposedly just got finished squishing hundreds of protesters and were then leaving the square (that suspiciously doesn’t have hundreds of squished bodies in it) then decide to stop for one dude. How does that make any sense?
I’m highlighting the absurdity the a bunch of tanks that had supposedly just got finished squishing hundreds of protesters and were then leaving the square
Nobody said that? The tank man incident occurred the following day and is a sign of rebellion against a tyrannical government. Nobody except the uneducated or people intentionally obscuring the facts believes both events took place on the same day. Tank man is so powerful because he did it despite the government slaughtering people the day previously. Standing in front of the tank was extremely brave and probably even a little stupid but powerful nonetheless.
This is pretty basic history here. You really think the whole world would make a big hubbub over some rando standing in a street without any further context? People stand in streets everyday and aren’t newsworthy.
Attempting to negate the sacrifice of those killed and belittle them is disgusting and wrong.
The Chinese government, like ALL governments, did a bad thing and the only way we grow as people is to admit this shit happens and learn from it, otherwise we’re repeating the same cycle forever.
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Bullshit.
If he was alive and well he would have been trotted out to the public as propaganda by the CCP that they weren’t cruel. Look, see?! He’s alive! There was no massacre! While he regurgitates some safe speech that toed the Party line.
If he’s lucky he disappeared and kept his mouth shut to survive in silence.
Sources conflict as to his identity, and whether or not he was executed, imprisoned , or lived free.
Not that I expect tankies to think anything other than pro-CCP thought.
Literally just watch the video
Fun Fact: You can totally Google the Not Safe For Life images of the Tiananmen Square massacre. Tank Man wasn’t ran over, but many other students were.
Stop with the AI slop. Rule 5. Get this shit out of here.
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Unrealistic. If someone stood in front of an ICE car like this they would immediately get shot.
Just wait until you hear what happened to the guy standing in front of the tank in the original photo.
Two agents in civilian clothes took him off the street. No further info is available.
She was weaponizing her body!
I made this same comparison a few days ago and got down voted to hell for it. Glad I’m not the only one that sees it
I trust a Chinese tank driver more not to drive me over than an ICE agent.
After the local troops refused to murder civilians they brought in different troops that were perfectly ok with a little mass murder.
The fact that I trust a Chinese tank driver “more”, doesn’t mean I trust a Chinese tank driver.
It would have been better formed if I said “I distrust a Chinese tank driver less than an ICE agent-”
No, the premise is stupid. Like sticking your left hand in a jar of deadly scorpion s and your right hand in a jar of deadly centipede and stating you like the stinging in your left hand better.
I’m old enough to remember the footage being on live and the hope that this action brought to the world.
Sadly a few weeks later tanks rolled over everything on Tianmen Square flattening bikes and human bodies alike.
ICE is shit and everybody involved needs to rot in jail but so far they have not flattened anything with a tank. Given the chance they no doubt will murder people at the scale it happened on Tianmen Square.
Comparing wannabe mass murderers (ICE) to accomplished mass murderers (CCP) doesn’t really help painting the wannabes as bad as they are.
But you know what? I’m just going to join the majority of people that have already set this tankie instance on block. so you and your tankie friends, most of whom are some quarter-assed LLM bot anyway, can knock yourselves out in your little tankie echo chamber. Cheers
What are you on about, there have been many instances where ICE drove over people. They have shot people.
There hasn’t been a Tiananman square like massacre, but the Chinese were military forced to to slaughter countrymen or be shot themselves. They made the wrong choice, killing civilians. ICE is people willingly joining to do unlawful things to innocent civilians, SS style. Murder, concentration camps, torture, starvation, etc.
The one is someone with a gun to their head, making the wrong choice. The other is making the wrong choice to willingly be the fucking gun.
This is the most pretentious, my-shit-doesn’t-stink reply I’ve seen outside of an .ml instance lol
Touch grass.
I wouldn’t trust a single ICE or DHS agent to do the right thing in this situation. We have proof of at least one Chinese tank crew doing so.
How do you define “better”?
Is your context window 1 token?
No. The Tianmen Square video is of tank man who made a tank stop instead of running him over. The protests were over a previous (1-3 nights before) protest or, according to Chinese Government, riot where protesters were killed. Deaths did not happen after tankman.
Historically speaking, a safe bet
Depends. At 4am you don’t want to be under tank treads.
Eye witness account plus video
Pretty famously, he climbed directly up on the tank and chewed out the driver, then got back down and continued to block the tank. Others in the crowd pulled him away back down the street. The tank didn’t try to run him over, he was never reported captured, and as far as we’re aware he’s alive to this day.
Imagine an American climbing onto the hood of an ICE van or stubbornly maneuvering in front of a vehicle.
I’m old enough to remember the footage being on live and the hope that this action brought to the world.
Sadly a few weeks later tanks rolled over everything on Tianmen Square flattening bikes and human bodies alike.
ICE is shit and everybody involved needs to rot in jail but so far they have not flattened anything with a tank. Given the chance they no doubt will murder people at the scale it happened on Tianmen Square.
Comparing wannabe mass murderers (ICE) to accomplished mass murderers (CCP) doesn’t really help painting the wannabes as bad as they are.
Theres no images of human bodies crushed by tanks in tiananmen square. Theres some who were shot on their bikes, in the surrounding streets, probably by police.
