I’ve seen alot of calls for violence in America. Whether it be directed at the president or Federal officers, many people are advocating for an escalation in response to the current situation.
And believe me, I do understand. what I see happening in America is horrifying. But all I am imploring is to really think about what your asking for. Because you can’t put the genie in the bottle once you’ve left it out.
If you’re really gung-ho about it, go and ask a Veteran of Iraq or Afghanistan about it and see what they think. If anyone will know about it they will.
I am going to link a YouTube Playlist. Its the Associated Press Archives of the Bosnian-Serbian war. Because THAT is what will happen if wide scale violence breaks out. Except what will happen in America will be a hundred times worse.
The Bosnian war was pretty much broken up along ethnic lines. “Well it’s going to be Conservative VS. Liberal” you say. Except it won’t be. It will be anyone having a grudge against someone going after them.
ALOT of personal animosity will be taken out in the first few weeks I feel.
And I think the Seige of Sarajavo will be writ large in American cities across the country. Imagine having to dodge sniper fire on your way to get to your job at Wendy’s.
Because that’s the other thing no one is thinking about. You are still going to have to make a living while this is all going to be happening. And the cost of everything will skyrocket. Shipping will probably have to be escorted from place to place because people will be stealing or even blockading locations because they’re “damn dirty libs” or “Fascist Conservatives” Fresh produce will become a thing of the past.
Canada and Mexico will close their borders due to all the refugee’s trying to cross. so if you thinking of doing it, do it the moment everything pops off because otherwise you won’t get in.
Basically Civil war is going to the worst thing to happen in America in a long time. and the only good that comes out of it will be Americans will finally have first hand experience of real war torn violence. And maybe that will hopefully last for another two hundred years or so.
If America even survives the outcome that is.
One thing you saw in places like Syria and the Balkans was a lot of revenge murders and groups that were essentially gangs terrorizing and enslaving towns.
I remember reading how people in the old Yugoslavia talked about how people they’d lived next to for generations suddenly turned on them. The same in Rwanda where groups were slaughtered en masse. People were packed into churches and the buildings set on fire, etc.
The most violent civilization known to man needs more violence to solve its problems.
History repeats itself—if we let it.
When building power, some leaders pick a group to blame: Hitler targeted Jews, Trump vilified immigrants. Once momentum builds, the list of “enemies” grows—anyone who disagrees becomes a target.
Recognizing these patterns is the first step to stopping them. Let’s learn from the past and stand against division.
#HistoryMatters #NeverAgain #UnityOverHate
Well, Trump and MAGA have ensured that the US is cooked anyway no matter what happens
Everybody know it not a game but st some point there is no othet options and fight oppresion
I think the country splits into multiple nations before a true all out conflict. Maybe a 4 part split.
Old South Northeast Some kind of Texas southern alliance with other states in the Louisiana purchase Northwest and Pacific coast.
its called balkanization. pretty much, the northwest coast will be its own constituition, probably combine or allie with some of the east coast states. its very similar to how CNC3 game lore ended up.
The problem with this idea is that it assumes that those areas are politically aligned. I highly doubt people in liberal areas like Austin are going to be okay with being lumped in with whatever happens in Texas and I am confident that the Native Americans in Oklahoma will never be okay with it.
The divide in the US is largely rural vs urban not north vs south or east vs west anymore.
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People tend to migrate during such events, that’s what a refugee is. Restructurings like this often kill more people than they attract, but they do still attract them. And more still get fucked by bad luck. See: literally any country creating event, good or bad.
Yep, exactly.
State borders don’t represent the relevant people groups well at all.
Go look at the greater Idaho movement to see basically exactly what I mean, a decade long drive to break the eastern counties of WA and OR off, and into joining Idaho.
The other huge problem is this:
Cities are generally like islands, need power, water, food, which typically comes from places outside the city.
So you don’t need to even seige them, you just cut the links, and they’ll largely tear themselves apart.
But the flip side of that is that they’re also major logistics hubs and manufacturing centers, by and large… and, most stuff that gets produced outside a city has to go into a or at least near a city at some point before it can actually become something useful, or find an actual market.
So its a kind of … not quite MAD, but almost, more like mutually assured misery.
One thing you can take away is that anyone, in any location during something like this, is going to benefit from being as autarkic and resourceful as they can be, at whatever scale makes sense in a particular situation.
The big superstructures of society basically just break, and you, your buddies, your community, whatever, people with secondary backup plans, alternative economies, largely decoupled systems for providing the bare minimum + a few luxuries, thats what has a better chance of making it through something like this.
Oh, along with that comes: Repair everything, the consumable model of ‘stuff’ is now an insane death trap, not a flex.
Anything complex is unlikely to be easily, wholly replaced… makes a lot more sense to fix up shit, re use and clean up everything that can be reused and cleaned up safely.
Oh right, and uh, kiss the idea of generally free and safe medium to long distance travel goodbye.
Cyberpunk 2020 (the original tabletop game) kinda predicted that sort of outcome.
North East, West Coast then what will be globally known as The Asscrack right up the middle. Texas will be known as the Purple Star state.
*a lot. Buy a dictionary since you lack an education.
you dont get battle lines until there’s been a few years of mass killings on both sides, before Regime Loyalist and Opposition “states” or lines solidify.
Great post.
However, from a European perspective all this has been a long time coming, ignoring all warnings and with open arms (pun not intended).
So for the US I don’t see how it can be fixed without going through this.
I’m sorry.
As another European, I don’t think it’s as bad as it seems. I personally don’t think most republicans are fundamentally fascist, more so convinced that Trump is playing 5d chess.
If you where to ask most Republicans if they supported democracy, right of law and freedom for all, they would say that they support it.
However, due to the tribalism of current American politics and the cult of personality around Trump, they aren’t seeing how that is being infringed.
Trump is almost 80, and will die eventually. With him will his cult of personality die. Some hardliners will probably latch on to Trump Jr or Vance, but most republicans will probably quietly switch over to supporting some more moderate dumb fuck (think Mitt Romney).
Around 84% of Republicans approve of what is clearly kidnapping murder and open fascism as we are threatening half the world, planning on invading a NATO country, and stealing oil from Venezuela. Conservatives are absolutely our enemy.
Hard disagree. The Republican politicians are not leading the masses to dark places, the masses are pulling the politicians to greater extremes and the politicians are holding them back, because they have a greater understanding of the consequences than the average voter.
Ask the average Republican if undocumented I’m immigrants should all be deported, and they will tell you yes. That’s 14 million people, and the only way to accomplish it is to build up ICE to 5 times it’s current size, and do what they are doing in Minneapolis in every city in America. What they want requires fascism.
Ask them if abortion is murder and they will say yes. They don’t care about the women that are dying from pregnancy complications, the children that will be orphaned, the families that have been torn apart because the treatment for many conditions is abortion of the pregnancy and if it’s murder you can get treatment.
Ask them if environmental regulations are too stiff and should be rolled back so the economy can grow, and they will say yes, they don’t care about the ecosystems that will be lost forever, the diseases that people will suffer from pollution, or the rights of communities to avoid those harms.
What holds them back is that individuals don’t all want the same things, so the party pulls in different directions, because some people understand the disaterous implications of a specific policy, so they don’t support that particular cruelty, but they don’t question the wider ideology, and the basic ideology is a death cult.
What you get over time is generational frustration that the corrupt politicians refuse to do what is necessary and support for more and more extreme individuals in office. People that hatch plans like the federalist society, to corrupt the courts, and project 2025, to destroy the administrative state and consolidate power into the executive, and congresspeople who will support the descent into violent fascism, because that’s what is required to give the masses what they demand.
Democracy slows down the process, but the American voters will get the cruelty, suffering, and death they demand eventually.
Right, but that all comes from upstream, with Conservative media (and politicians) focusing all their attention on “wedge issues” to distract their base from their ruinous fiscal policies, gutting the government services their base would benefit from to steal more wealth for the ultra wealthy.
Those outlets would not publish that propaganda if it did not sell. It’s not that there is no interplay, but the media figures pushing the fascist propaganda have no incentive to stop and cannot be forced to stop without abandoning core principles of our society (freedom of speech)
Executing, exiling, or dispropriating enough billionaires would make a difference, but again, you need fascist tools to stop the decent into fascism. There is a significant segment of our society that wants the violence. Not a majority, but enough that I see no peaceful way through. The violence will come for us eventually.
Again, that’s backwards. The billionaire bought the media companies so they can push their message and shift public discourse.
It’s not about profitability; they target engagement/profitability by making everything rage bait.
Sure, the billionaires are the ultimate problem. They are not the office holders.
People that hatch plans like the federalist society, to corrupt the courts, and project 2025, to destroy the administrative state and consolidate power into the executive, and congresspeople who will support the descent into violent fascism
That’s where we are really fucked. So many of the project 2025 goals have been accomplished. Having a partisan supreme court, and this bare minimum majority of congress, has allowed them to change our course forever more.
Vance will be worse; in general the removal of Trump won’t make it better.
I dont have any words to add and hope you’re right.
Relax, Americans aren’t used to seeing and responding to an actual oppressive regime nor have the capacity for supporting meaningful change. Plus the military structure is so well defined, there would be very little chance anyone would fragment or opt to join a “side” except for the active government. Most you would see is a bunch of useless resignations.
In true American fashion, everything you fear will just happen really half assed. If there is even a hint of a civil war, it’ll be snuffed out by your favorite 3 lettered agency long before it begins.
We’re in a civil war right now. This is what it looks like.
But it can get a lot worse.
I think there’s gonna be a lot of Asian American stores getting looted if this happens.
Asian diasporas are always considered the universal “soft target”, I mean just read the news.
We’d have LA Riots all over again, law enforcement will leave us to die while racist mobs lynch us.
remember all those attacks during and right after covid, it was against chinese/asians, and the news pratically stopped talking about it the next day. a white person , dare i say an AA person you would have news weeks on end about them.
Soft? Those folks were hard as fuck.
Unfortunately, most of us aren’t former ROK Army
they meant soft as in easy targets.
So did I. You wanna rob a store with armed koreans at the front door and on the rooftop? No one does now.
It was assumed to be a soft target. History proved otherwise.
Everyone needs a rooftop Korean.
It’s too late, it’s already starting to happen. People are already having to dodge ice just while going to work, Charlie Kirk literal got sniped while at work.
It’s going to get worse before it gets better.
Kirk was preaching ugly evil shit I don’t think you can compare him getting sniped to normal people getting hurt
I’m not saying he was a good person, but the logic of “they deserve it” applies on both sides, even if one side is disproportionate to the other.
Kirk deserved it for the horrid shit he said and the vitriol he spread, I can absolutely see some right winger saying someone else deserves it for living in the dem part of town or looking a bit gay.
Answering a question that who asked? Who would think war is a video game? Everyone’s a badass until they’re on the wrong end of a shooting range. If war causes infrastructure collapse to shipping of critical supplies like foods and fuels tens of millions could die, or more. Exposure, lack of meds (like insulin, anti-rejection, etc.), and lack of clean water will wipe out a huge number of people, too.
The next “civil war” will just be a series of Luigi-like instances. My prediction is that the justice system will simply start failing to get grand jury indictments like they did with the ham sandwhich throwing incident.
“Start failing”??? That ship has done sailed.
Well, yes, in DC several grand Juries have failed to indict due to purposeful Nullification and a hatred of ICE. We would need this kind of agreement on a national level. A not guilty verdict for Luigi would be a great start.
