$73G to make VR Miis with no legs
Meanwhile, VRChat:
This just proves any VR project without any trans people is doomed to fail
Who else could know what it’s like to walk in another’s skin and see a face you don’t recognize in the mirror?
Every software project should have three groups: furries, trans people, and Linux users. Without all three the software becomes doomed, with too much of one it becomes niche, with a balance of all three it becomes incredible :3
Do they have to be three separate people? Because the Venn diagram of those three groups is a circle
Are furries considered trans or what am I missing? Serious question.
Nah, there’s an in-joke that there’s a lot of overlap for people in all 3 simultaneously (Heavy online presence in communities with an emphasis on allowing people to express themselves how they please).
Linux may just be a coincidence though, similar to the Furry/IT overlap.
It’s best when the van diagram is a circle :3
Most reasonable explanation for this crap I heard:
- facebook is just a website that makes money through tracking and ads
- people need to use a device to access facebook, so they can get tracked and see ads
- apple and google own all your devices and started to block tracking and ads (except their own)
- Zuck saw a risky chance by investing in VR. The vision was to get everyone on their VR platform so they can continue to track you and show you ads
cuckedberg bet that VR headsets were going to take over, which even back in 2018 seemed far fetched. He’d have had a better chance to fortify his stranglehold by spending all that money making fb’s own custom android and securing deals with phone manufacturers.
These tech bros call them moonshots.
Which I can see them repurposing all the Metaverse stuff into glasses.
But not that I would touch that and feed the Zuck machine.
Now the vision is to get everyone on their AR platform so they can continue to track you and show you ads through your smart glasses.
All this time, effort, and money spent to convince you to buy things you don’t need.
We are just resources to be used and discarded, objects and not people.
They could have done this AND universal healthcare. Universal Healthcare would actually save us money allowing us to put more into useless BS like Meta VR.
Not in the slightest. According to a congress report, American healthcare expenditure was was approx. $4.6 Trillion in 2023. That $77B would barely even cover 2%.
The crazy thing is that 50% of the cost is middlemen (mainly insurance). The rich could halve their healtcare costs if they just decide to share.
I don’t doubt that insurance introduces a certain amount of overhead into the equation (after all, they have offices and wages to pay), but I’m a bit skeptical of that 50% figure. Do you have a source for that?
In 2024, the United States spent an estimated $14,885 per person on healthcare … while the average for wealthy OECD countries, excluding the United States, was $7,371 per person. https://www.pgpf.org/article/how-does-the-us-healthcare-system-compare-to-other-countries/
Thanks, appreciate the link. However, it does not corroborate the theory that health insurance companies alone are responsible for that difference. From the article:
There are many possible factors for why healthcare prices in the United States are higher than other countries, ranging from the consolidation of hospitals — leading to a lack of competition — to the inefficiencies and administrative waste that derive from the complexity of the U.S. healthcare system. In fact, the United States spends over $1,000 per person on administrative costs — approximately five times more than the average of other wealthy countries.
So while the administrative overhead definitely IS very high compared to other countries, it doesn’t even account for more than 10% of the total healthcare expenditure — meaning eliminating insurance companies wouldn’t just magically make healthcare 50% cheaper for everyone.
OK, the whole 50% additional cost paid by the patient may not all go to the insurers.
Hospitals can also be profiting, as well as numerous side industries (pharma, equipment etc.) as well as the heavy admin layer you highlighted.But the major difference between the US and other rich OECD countries is the insurance layer replacing the social funding. Health insurance is the cause of the disparity, even if it doesn’t receive all the benefit.
Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean a single payer system would solve all of the problems. First of all, that’s still a form of insurance, because it cannot be sustained if it simply pays out each and every claim — after all, the money has to come from somewhere. There HAVE to be people who pay in more than they get out, otherwise the system will simply go bankrupt.
Also, even in a single payer system, healthcare is still a limited resource (because there are only so many providers, i.e. doctors and hospitals, etc.), so rationing has to take place or people will simply abuse the system. In most cases, this means long waitlists to see specialists and/or qualify for expensive treatments. Just ask Brits or Canadians how long they have to wait for such things, and consider whether you’d be willing to risk not getting a lifesaving procedure done in time. It’s not unheard of for Canadians to simply go to the US if the wait is too long, because there they can pay out of pocket and get it done quickly instead of risking their condition getting worse (or Americans going to Mexico to get it done cheaper).
Sadly, this is a much more complicated issue than you seem to think, and I’m afraid such kneejerk approaches aren’t going to help solve it.
It wasn’t even obvious how to get into this thing. We got a Quest headset, the kids use the heck out of it for gaming and hanging with friends, and I poked around in it trying to find this Zuckerberg World and you have to work to find it. I mean, if he wanted this thing to be big it should be the default, but nope. Anyway, the headsets are a ton of fun for gaming with others, but as far as VR interaction with other’s avatars for the purposes of social interaction? Nope.
as far as VR interaction with other’s avatars for the purposes of social interaction? Nope.
Except vrchat is actually HUGE. Now I’m sure the metaverse could never have unseated it as #1, but it could have been a thing if zuck actually made it not look like shit and didn’t try to commodity the hell out of it.
Vrchat exists because of porn, mostly. If metaverse added big tiddy avatars it probably wouldn’t have failed as hard.
Vrchat exists because of porn
That’s a weird take. I’ve played VRchat for around 100 hours, of which most was spent just bullshitting around and randomly inserting yourself in conversation that can go on for hours. Never noticed any porn rooms or whatever you meant by that, but I guess we have different goals in games
Don’t forget that it took, what, 1 week after release for someone to “grope” a journalist avatar and have meta desperately try to patch out shitty human behavior, removing avatars’ hips and legs and forcing them to stay 1.5m away from each other at all times
I feel like Rec Room solved this issue ages ago.
This is an amount that would cover university tuition for all American students for a year.
And some of the money did cover tuition. It may have been a loss to meta, but a lot of people received benefit from it.
good. i hope he turns purple, and shits on the carpet before dying from embarassment.
The imagery there was just beautiful, a perfect 5/7.
Shame they have the skills to create those things but not the skills to understand nobody wants it
VR just isnt there. You’ll need matrix or Ready Player One type integration before people jump on.
Nah, the issue is they made a far inferior product to the already existing and well-established VRChat, which not only has a large pre-existing playerbase, but also allows exponentially more user freedom and expression than the slop they put out.
I don’t follow VR closely so I am curious as to what exactly Meta did accomplish. You seem to have some awareness of this space. They spent an insane amount of money building shit, they must have made something remarkable even if no one cared. Could they really have built only a second rate VR Chat alternative? I mean with that amount of money, he could have built a replacement for credit card processors.
Basically what Truscape said. Their hardware, specifically the Quest headsets, is easy for newcomers to get into. They’re relatively cheap compared to other headsets and can be used standalone without a PC, with the caveat of not being as powerful and unable to play many titles or having to play downgraded versions unless connected to a VR capable PC. The Quest also has standalone tracking, meaning it can be used anywhere without the requirement of mounted external sensors. You could pack up the headset and controllers and take it to your friend’s place to have them try it out, with no setup required.
When connected to a VR capable PC, either by USB-C or wireless AirLink, it functions like any other headset with the PC running the game and streaming it to the headset. This allows you to play PCVR games using the Quest.
tl;dr The hardware is largely more affordable and accessible, but nobody wants to use their software.
God knows where the money went, but it was most definitely just an inferior version of VRChat that constantly advertised to you and asked you for money.
I saw quite a few tec demos of dumb concepts, the kind of ideas someone who has no interest in VR would think VR is supposed to be, like a virtual grocery store and other shopping to buy physical products.
Their hardware options were quite competitive and were very accessible price-wise for people who wanted to experience VR. Nobody wanted to use their software, though. Grab a USB-C cable (or use Airlink), connect it to a PC, and play SteamVR games like VRchat, Pavlov VR, Into the Radius, and Half Life Alyx for a good time. Or play VRChat with worse quality textures and heavy model restrictions natively on Meta Hardware.
Nobody wanted to use Meta software, but the budget conscious really liked meta hardware (basically owning the sub-400 USD portion of the market).
Of course the privacy-conscious saw the writing on the wall and didn’t opt in at all to their ecosystem.
And then they tried to shove microtransactions and NFTs into said product before users even had legs.
If they had legs, they could’ve an easier time walking away though.
It needs more porn to really take off, just like what happened with the internet.
VR porn is amazing already. Really the future of porn. It’s harder to get though since it’s behind so many pay walls or you have to sail the seas. I agree though 100%.
Would you take universal healthcare provided by Facebook, but they get to keep all your medical data?
No, because it will be great initially and then gradually erode into a system worse than we have now 🙃
Heh good question. If the healthcare is literally good. but yeah wth are they gonna do with the data
You ever see that black mirror ep Common People?
It wasn’t for nothing! I’m sure Meta generated tons of patents they’ll use to stifle anyone else in the industry who tries to innovate.
There’s not a lot they can patent. VR existed before they started this project, inside out tracking existed before they started this project, and there are other products with similar ideas that go far further than anything metaverse ever put out (I feel like it never even released).
Note that this was a 10% cut. Meta has a lot of staff. They are also slightly pivoting to AR glasses, as they say Ray-Ban Display sales are much higher than anticipated. I think they see their chance of cornering the VR market as gone (probably because of android xr) (see https://www.uploadvr.com/meta-pauses-third-party-horizon-os-headsets/ ) but think they have a chance to dominate AR glasses / wearables.
I mean he just pumped that money into the US and Chinese economy. It’s not like he lit a pile of money on fire like the Joker. Most of that money went into salaries of the people doing R&D and manufacturing of the headsets in China. Lets hope the Zuck has a dozen more of these failures.
Absolutely it didn’t just get lit on fire.
But that amount of money is enough to end world hunger for a decade. (According to the WHO, ~$7-8 billion a year.)
Instead of being the next Carnegie but with food instead of libraries, and worldwide, Zuckerberg went for a moon shot pet project that an undergrad MBA student would’ve been laughed out of the room for presenting. Diverting time, money, and resources from anything actually productive.
While paying basically no taxes.
They could have created a whole grand theft auto level city and filled it with real people for cheaper wtf
You know how difficult it is to create 3D legs?!
Oh not difficult at all? Yeah well it cost them a bazillion dollars!
Oh you think that’s funny?!
You know how difficult it is to create 3D legs?!
Without tracking actual legs? Reverse kinematics is pretty tricky (but obviously not impossible)
A little reminder that I consider myself as a market socialist who supports socialist pluralism (like in China), as well as redistribution of wealth from the rich snobs to everyone else through UBI and Georgism.
