The protest non-voters fell for it. Now we get generations of destruction to hopefully heal from.
we aren’t going to live long enough to see healing.
I am sad because this is so true. I can hold very high hopes for the bright future, but I won’t see it. At most I will see my dear ones and me live largely unharmed, and that’s it
I can’t believe anyone actually bought that shit.
The part about Biden is true enough. Republicans and Democrats are largely in agreement about the dismantling of the middle class and expansion of the empire. Democrats just want an orderly transition while Republicans want to burn it all down as fast as possible.
Have you visited or had interactions with people from .ml or hexbear?
.ml isn’t pro-Trump generally even if they’d shitpost about the uniparty, it’s Hexbear that’s clearly being run as a psyop.
Well, on review I blocked .ml, maybe they’re saying that now
Not the part about a vote for trump being a vote for peace, but they sure do & did trot out the part about biden being a warmonger.
I mean, he and all Democratic leadership at that level are, but not to the same extent as the Republicans. That said, the false equivalence is either pure propaganda, or stupidity. Pretty hard to tell the difference, unfortunately.
Oooo I have I have!
I don’t honestly think they really did. What they were sold was that the conservative leadership held the conservative individuals’ best interests lined up. Last time they didn’t get to execute their plan. This time no one was left to stop them.
To that point, there are proud boys and neo nazies in positions of power. They’re wearing the gear and putting their slogans on things. The individuals have been told over and over that it’s the non-whites that are the cause of all their problems and they’re still on board with ethnic cleansing. They are just now starting to get somewhat disillusioned that things aren’t actually getting better for them even though the playbooks are being run.
We were always at war with eurasia
With everyone who has oil.
For whatever reason this kind of campaign tactic had zero effective counter amongst the general electorate. This messaging won. Refuting it was left to the internet forums.
everyone is conditioned to defend the right even when theyre wrong
It’s because social media is toxic.
Look at the view counts below conservative posts. That is why there is no counter; the game is rigged.
How can you refuse this. It quickly turns into a “no u” situation.
by design! turns out if you just project hard enough, the only possible argument is a “no u” situation. and actually taking that position officially has been a bridge too far for any credible opposition up to now.
The Onion is so fucked.
ONN is just hyperbolizing what already in the news
The onion just consults their future prediction orb and writes down what they see; they were never satire.
Exactly. The onion HQ rests on top of the worlds only spice mine and you can tell who works for them by the glowing spice addict eyes.
With Lemmy being like half Russian bots, I think this won’t go amiss.
#The Russian state and government interfered in the 2024 United States elections through disinformation and propaganda campaigns[1] aimed at damaging Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and other Democrats while boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump and other candidates who support isolationism and undercutting support for Ukraine aid and NATO.[2][3][4][5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections
I don’t think there’s many propaganda bots on lemmy since it’s not big enough and there’s corporations with much bigger and dumber audiences
Oh yes, the old “I don’t think there’s Russians pn Lemmy”.
Anyone who genuinely thinks that is either severely cognitively limited or a lying Russian. Usually it’s the latter.
I could list a dozen off the top of my head. Start with davel@lemmy.ml. He insists he’s a red-blooded American who happens to not know anything about the US, who happens to know fluent Russian and who happens to favour political positions which are all in line with Russia.
“Lemmy isn’t big enough for” genuinely only a true moron would think that, or you’re another disgusting lying Ruski. Russia is utterly shit at everything except spycraft and propaganda. I’ve met Vladimirs and Ivans on small national servers on Discord/Teamspeak etc. A guy who claimed he was Irish born and raised couldn’t speak English without an extremely strong Russian accent and didn’t know what a limerick is. Let alone what Limerick is.
So, you’d believe a guy called Ivan Ivanovich being 100% born and raised American with no Russian connections, as long as he said it on something that isn’t Facebook? No, FB isn’t even popular now. Xitter? Reddit? YouTube?
Because Russians would just never ever put propagandists to use less moderated services that they could spam their bullshit into without worry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_disinformation
#So… are you spreading Russian propaganda on purpose, or are you just too dumb to realise you’re doing it?
Lol people only backpedal when they’re dead wrong. Except you didn’t backpedal on what you said you straight up deluded yourself into thinking I said Russia and not propaganda bots.
You live in fear and my push back is too much for you
Got a bit mad there… Vanja? Hahahah.
A hit dog will holler if I ever saw one :DD
What does the first comment I made say again? Does it talk about propaganda bots in general, or Russian disinfo?
You’re absolutely shit at this.
You live in fear
In fear of what? The pathetic Russians who are dying by the thousands for the past years? I’m an army trained sergeant in the Finnish reserves. I currently have a somewhat boring life due to bureaucracy. I would very much like to be geared up and sit in position and snipe Vanja as much as my heart desires.
What I live in is provocation. Provocation to anyone dumb enough to spread shitty Ruski propaganda, be it on accident or on purpose.
So you think all prpapganda is pushed by bots? Or are you trying to pretend you think that?
Here, have some of our propaganda, you coward.
Stop reading after the second line because of the nonsense.
“I keep replying to comments I don’t read, that’s you how you know I’m right.”
This is a forum. Are you gonna try replying without being able to address that you were in fact wrong to think “I deluded myself into thinking”.
Like I said, you’re shit at this. Most of them at least keep up the pretense for a day or two before succumbing to the “wyaah I can’t read two paragraphs”. Although that might just mean you’re a subliterate American who’s bought into all the Russian disinfo due to being severely cognitively limited.
So again, are you spreading propaganda on purpose or are you just too dumb to realise you’re doing it?
What do I “live in fear of”? Not the Russian military. That’s an international JOKE.
Nice you’re one of those people that beg me to take things seriously. If you wanted a serious conversation you’d actually talk about Russian propaganda bots on lemmy, not Russians
I mean, to be fair, every sentence except the last one was entirely true.
American Liberal rage at the truth incoming.
Seriously. Would Biden have started wars? He certainly didn’t use the leverage he had to end the Gaza war. And he certainly wouldn’t have done anything to help home prices. If he felt Iran was close to a bomb, he certainly would have bombed Tehran. Him or Kamala. Hell, Kamala’s signature kitchen table policy was a bone-headed plan to offer a large tax credit to first-time home buyers. Except that would have done nothing except bid property prices even higher.
These are objectively true facts. Yet, liberals often are just as prone to cults of personality as Republicans. The same sin of “my side can do no wrong” infects both parties.
yeah i can see you went to speculation real fast.
What’s speculation? Biden oversaw brutal wars and a historic cost of living crisis. I’m not speculating; I’m citing documented history. Did you forget about Gaza and the inflation?
Or are you just so blind that you assume any criticism of the Dear Leader on the left is an endorsement of the Dear Leader on the right?
Everything happening now and you’re still simping for trump while pretending to be some moral angel. You and your dozen .ml trolls who also love to do this are getting on everyone else’s last nerves.
Not liking one choice = liking the other one is peak .world trolling. Where did anyone here simp for Trump?
And for the idiots downvoting: OP literally wrote “every sentence except the last one was entirely true”, which means they don’t think that Trump is responsible for peace and prosperity. You’d have to be really fucking stupid to think they’re “simping for Trump”.
the speculation that Biden would bomb Iran over hint of a bomb. also you really think i cant see through you. btw let me know if im too direct 😆
And he certainly wouldn’t have done anything to help home prices. If he felt Iran was close to a bomb, he certainly would have bombed Tehran. Him or Kamala. Hell, Kamala’s signature kitchen table policy was a bone-headed plan to offer a large tax credit to first-time home buyers. Except that would have done nothing except bid property prices even higher.
None of these are “objectively true facts.” This is speculation.
Maybe Kamala’s house buying plan would have driven up prices a bit. But unless it somehow drove up the costs of all houses by the amount of “free” money, then it still would have been effective for its purpose; getting a house for a first time buyer. You don’t need the same type of help when switching houses.
The only true fact you have is about Israel.
Liberals piss me off more because I feel like they should know better. They certainly act like they do.
Don’t you have a Jill Stein rally to go to or something?
Jill is still in her statis pod waiting for her triumphant return in 2028!
I wonder if Putin sprang for the deluxe pod or the budget model.
Budget. He’s got a 3 day war to finish!
She thinks you can cure autism with crystals.
lol you for real?
Yeah, this fool is always happy to ignore reality, loudly.
What part of anything other than the last sentence is false? And don’t bring up Trump. We’re talking about Biden, not Trump. Some of us aren’t so blind to think that any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump. Biden’s term ended with the US overseeing a brutal war in Gaza and a historic cost of living crisis. You don’t even have to speculate about what Biden would have done, you just have to look at what he actually did.
Why do you think any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump? You’re trapped in prison of “my team” political thinking. And this thinking is exactly what lead us to Trump in the first place.
Yes, but in context that was the only alternative at the time. Right?
Tearing down Biden benefitted Trump.
Tearing down Biden benefitted Trump.
At this point, I have to assume this was the goal.
Tankies don’t want to stop fascism. They want purity tests.
Biden’s term ended with the US overseeing a brutal war in Gaza and a historic cost of living crisis.
Yes, I too remember the US invading Palestine to kidnap their leader. I too remember Biden saying they should turn Gaza into a giant casino and beach resort. I definitely remember Biden threatening to invade denmark if sweden won’t give him a medal.
Why do you think any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump?
Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say “don’t vote for that one” it’s a defacto endorsement of the other.
Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say “don’t vote for that one” it’s a defacto endorsement of the other.
Whataboutism. Two things can be true at once.
Whataboutism would be saying “what Biden does is excusable because Trump does it too”.
So no, it’s not whataboutism.
Are you fucking kidding me? That’s literally the exact thing that you’re saying.
Them: Here are Biden’s stances, and I consider them inexcusable"
You: Actually, they are excusable because lists a bunch of stuff Trump did
If that’s not what you’re saying, then go ahead and explain how Biden’s actions are excusable, why supporting him is defensible, without doing a whataboutism by bringing up Trump doing the same thing. As the other commenter requested.
I swear, whataboutism is just something y’all made up where the only rule is “I’m always right.” What a load of bull.
Whataboutism would be if I said “Biden’s support for the Gaza genocide is acceptable because Trump rapes little girls”. What I actually said was “Biden’s warmongering is nowhere near as severe as Trump’s warmongering”.
And the difference matters, because the context was a tweet that says “If you vote for Biden, you will be at war, so you should vote for Trump”.
Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say “don’t vote for that one” it’s a defacto endorsement of the other
Talkies really need to get with the program.
It’s a two party system. I’d love it if there was a magical third option but that’s not how the electoral college works
Here’s the thing though - US voters went into an election with a binary winner-takes-all choice for the head of their executive branch in a country where the executive branch wields an immense amount of power. Some chose to not take part because neither candidate appealed to them. Many made that choice due to a candidate’s foreign policy positions. It is very reasonable to assume that those are votes that would have not gone to the more conservative/regressive side.
Result: popular vote went to the regressives. And since foreign policy issues could very well have been a cause in this (i.e. people basing their choice to not vote on a candidate’s impacts on foreign populations), the end result is kind of ironic… The death and misery that will result from funding changes in things like PEPFAR, USAID, US funding contributions to various UN programs, refugee programs, etc. will far surpass anything happening in Gaza. Nevermind the incredible economic impacts (and very real resulting human consequences) of tariffs on people in so-called “shithole countries” - like me.
And that’s not even mentioning the totally foreseeable domestic consequences that US voters are now seeing.
So tell me again how choosing not to vote in the US presidential election was a morally sound choice?
I mean only the last paragraph is wrong. A vote for Trump is a vote for even more war and quicker fascism.
Another guy already tried that, plus Biden didn’t start wars
People are just too fucking dumb. Most can only rationalize that current thing bad = current leader bad = different leader better, and there’s no end of grifters taking advantage of that.
yeah primaries was a train wreak in slow mo. like I was telling people I did not give a crap that Kamala was chosen by Biden as a successor she’s still better than trump by far. I couldn’t really think of any reason from them to vote for trump
I’m glad people are coming around on the idea that people are too stupid to vote.
are there any better options?
Not in real life.
I do dream of a government composed of a council of experts. Each person would be an expert in their field and they would br elected by their own peers. I think something like that would be better for humanity. If you look at the science communities you will see a lot of collaboration across boundaries and i think that’s one of our biggest problems.
I’m not so delusional as to think it faultless, but an improvement, surely.
The problem tends to be that (1) experts are only experts in their own fields, but have a distressing tendency to think that makes them experts in all fields and (2) an expert is often only an expert if unchallenged. Plenty of ‘experts’ have had their research get supplanted—or attempts have been made to supplant it—with newer, more accurate research, but the older so-called experts often fight against that newer research so as not to lose their exalted status. Sadly, you see often in science (look at how Louis Pasteur was treated when he dared to suggest bacteria caused disease).
Yeah, absolutely. There would have to be levels of checks and balances just like any other governmental system.
Yet, even with these problems i still think it would be an improvement.
Yeah, that’s not what I said.
People are too fucking dumb [and] there’s no end to grifters taking advantage of that
Maybe not, but these statements are directly applicable to voters and I think voting in an environment where bad actors can easily manipulate voters is irresponsible.
Do you not agree?
Who decides who is allowed to vote?
Quis custodiat ipsos custodes?
Everyone gets to vote or no one.
You can see in one of my other comments that i disagree with that statement.
Also, you didn’t answer my question.
I did answer your question.
Everyone has a vote (democracy) or no one has a vote (dictatorship because the flawed system where you exclude certain voters always ends up like that).
You’ve just reminded me of that clip of I can’t remember which middle-eastern dictator expressing his views on democracy and the average person’s intelligence
If you can find it, i’m curious.
sexism and racism is what they voted for, cant have a black person they made that mistake in 08 with obama, plus no women ever.
One of the biggest problems with the Democrats’ campaign was they went all in on this “benevolent” interventionist policy, and denounced anyone who disagrees with it for any reason as a Russian bot. This papered over differences on the right and allowed Trump to simultaneously win over the libertarian isolationists who want to stay out of conflicts and the nationalists who want mask off imperialism, and that same inflexibility is what alienated the left.
first time I’m hearing about Russian bots, but I’ve given up on democrats, i like them better when the DSA infiltrates’ their party
Most of the American left is still going on about how bad Biden is 🤦♂️
As a leftist I already moved on and thought about normalizing socialism
Because he was.
I’m glad my fellow citizens saw through the bs and overrode my vote to keep us happy and safe.
Disclaimer: I might have voted for him because lesser of, but fuck Biden and his ineffective admin. Hey libs: the orange man would have been in jail in a competently run country. Fucking travesty.
No he would not. He would be ina maximum security federal or military prison, not jail. He didn’t rob liquor stores.
No, he would probably be out of the country.
Not perfect, but Id accept that over gestures around
The premise is “in a competently run country”
Is there any way we can convince Trump voters to NOT vote for Trump or whatever Republican nominee in the 2028 election?
Of course there is, but violence is apparently frowned upon.
Kinda, but there this saying I heard “hard to be moral when it means giving up your friend group”. So it seems like kinda need friend group that endorse left wing values
In case you didn’t know who Presler was, he’s just another conservative sycophant.
