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I wonder how many war crimes will be committed. Should things move forward.
If the U.S. pulls out of NATO, losing Greenland will be the least of Europe’s worries.
It will become obvious at least two weeks before it happens, since we’d need to move aircraft carriers, etc. there. Also, they’d be fools to resist.
No, I’m not supporting this at all, I’m just stating facts.
The US economy would collapse
Can Trump just… not? When is the grim reaper coming for him? PLEASE I hope every night he dies the next day (legally and naturally).
Trump is a symptom, not the cause.
He’s a fetish or a lightning rod, without him there’s a solid chance the movement loses cohesive flow. Its far easier to kick a concussed coyote by itself than a pack of the things.
100% but he does have a magical hold on so many idiots. The conservative machine knows this is a once in a generation occasion so they’re trying to accomplish everything before he’s gone. Once he’s gone, Vance won’t be able to control that rabid base as well.
It’ll still be a nightmare I’m sure, but not as bad.
I hope he dies illegally and unnaturally
I don’t care how he dies. Just soon. And ideally very painfully.
Actually that would be secondary. Ideally, he rots in prison for the rest of a long miserable life, where he can see the media and his own followers criticize, make fun of, and torment his little impotent insecurity. He’s never going to prison though, so…
This doesn’t stop with Trump. They voted for Trump and they voted for the congress that protects him. They will just pick another person that does the same thing, but probably sounds less stupid while doing it. This is an America problem.
Their voting is rigged. The people should not rely on that system
I and many people I know have spent our whole lives trying to change the rigged system of FPTP/single-member constituency voting with the further distortion of state-based apportionment.
The issue, as with any rigged system, is that it’s really hard to un-rig unless either the people benefitting from the rigging let it change (lol) or there’s a major upheaval—usually a war. It took WWI for the German voting system to be un-rigged in favor of the Junkers and Belgium to end their rigged system, and it took a civil war in America to end the 3/5 Compromise which was a start in the right direction and then a decade plus of sustained sctivism for the civil rights movement to see a real impact in voting rights.
The thing with the USA is they are permanently at war, and no war has changed the system. The people benefiting from it are thriving in their political system. What’s gonna happen when this two things can’t change the system? I’m afraid it’s gonna be a Civil conflict.
We’ve been in a cold civil war for years now. It’s just getting hotter and hotter.
I’ve been to marches that were literally planned by children afraid of their futures and boomer men showed up with guns to scare them.
I agree, but these local policies completely opposed to the federal government will bring an armed conflict. If the National Guard decides to back one governor instead of staying loyal to Trump, to name one circumstance, then that may spark a national conflict. This is not the most probable thing to happen, with Black Panthers in the streets already, but it’s a delicate state of things. We have a saying for this that applies to Trump and the USA: it’s like freeing a goat in a glassware shop.
It’s crazy that I’m kinda hoping for a civil war, at this point. I don’t see any way out of this that isn’t an armed conflict.
I didn’t come here until I was a teen and I was deposited into a state that is pretty hostile to everything that I am. My wife came to the US when she was 17 and its been a struggle for her since day 1.
I am so beyond exhausted.
Check out the Election Truth Alliance. Definitely sketchy in some ways so take it with a MASSIVE grain of salt, but it could be on to something.
I beg to differ. His cult is hard carrying. Republican politicians don’t mind reversing all their opinions at the drop of a hat because opposing his cult has proven to be (until recently) political suicide. The [legal and natural] death of Donald Trump would leave the party in shambles. Susie Wiles and Stephen Miller need a figurehead and there isn’t any that can court maga.
I fully believe the fascism and shit continues. I’m not sure the Greenland thing does though. It seems like a weird personal obsession.
Natural resources becoming more accessible due to climate change and military positioning. I unfortunately doubt this ends with Trump.
Nah. This specific thing is all him.
Edit: shit, and Stephen miller, but he’s gone with trump I think.
He would have been legally fired a long time ago if he was alone.
His voters support him and are clueless about his actions and the world. Most republican representatives are just going along with it because he’s so powerful with his cult.
“His voters” being most of the people that cast votes in the presidential election, so yeah, its really not “just him” is it?
They don’t support his ideas and actions. They’ve never thought about most of them. They support him and if he switched stances tomorrow they would follow.
Right. They support whatever his ideas are at the time, no matter how absurd or contradictory.
He has some kind of magical hold on his cult members. Of course the conservative propaganda machine (Fox, Newsmax, OANN, Twitter, TikTok) are so adeptly tuned to keep them brainwashed, but Trump himself is a once in a generation talent for leading the cult.
Really I’m so impressed at how efficient the propaganda machine keeps the base so angry and so oblivious to reality. It’s completely terrifying, but really really effective.
The magical hold is simply telling them what they want to hear. They are responding to their racist fascist desires being validated.
It’s not. He is just the figurehead for their regime.
It definitely does continue to some extent. He’s not only the cause but also a symptom of a rotten society. However, he is a once in a generation talent at leading the cult. While Vance is “fully enlightened” (as Yarvin and Thiel have said), he can’t command that same kind of magical hold on the cult.
They know Trump’s on his last legs. Peter Thiel put that fuckhead JD Vance in there for a reason. Things will escalate quickly if/when he becomes president.
Hoping the problem just resolves itself and doing nothing will, well, so nothing.
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options!!!”
Good thing Genocide Joe was stopped
That wasn’t one of the reasons that a bunch of absolute fucking morons didn’t vote.
If the usa was gonna come crashing down, the earlier the better
DONT WORRY! The Congress that’s Beholden to the American people WONT let This happen AGAIN! Because if they do Us Americans will VOTE THEM OUT!
-LoL!
Whatever you do, do NOT accept a payment to leave. This is YOUR land, YOUR country, YOUR inheritance in this world
Plus, you know, you’re dealing with a professional scammer. I guarantee you that you will never see a dime if you accept and leave
Unfortunately I’m thinking this means they have some kind of info that a credible attack is imminent. Fuck.
Easy - I’m danish and the PM from both Denmark and Greenland just said, that they can’t rule out an armed attack, but only because the US doesn’t rule it out. Very different from telling people to prepare for an invasion.
Clickbait strikes again?
This brings back memories about when Russia was about to attack Ukraine.
Honestly if this happens I’m sorry to the normal people there but I’d be in favor of nuking the US over this. We can’t let another Hitler get his way nomatter the consequences.
I’m fairly sure the divided states have more operational nukes than the rest of the world combined. Meaning nuking them will end with near total annihilation of the planet. Accomplishing what exactly?
Honestly I’m fine with that. Everyone dies might as well stand for something.
At least I’d die with the knowledge China’s going to absolutely smash you when you have no allies.
Don’t get me wrong, I am with you on “might as well stand for something” - I just don’t agree with being the party to use WMD. Even if I had nukes and someone was sending their nukes to me, I wouldn’t fire back. What’s the point in taking everyone with me when I won’t be around anymore?
Because your weakening them for the next guy, likely China in this case. WMD should be a last resort but this is America the only way to fight back is hitting them with absolutely everything. What happens when Trump decides he wants the UK or Australia for a golf course .
Fuck him we will all go together.
Leaving the planet uninhabitable and killing off not only civilians as well as countless animals is the kind of pettiness that has me believe humans do not deserve to evolve.
I’m guessing you didn’t think that through. The US is the second largest nuclear power in the world. The US has more nukes than India, Pankistan, Israel, and North Korea combined. Even if the US was hit first, or if Washington was vaporized, hundreds of US nukes would still launch from submarines, silos, and bombers. Poke the bear, and they’ll realiate. Trust me, nuclear war isn’t something you want. Why do you think it hasn’t happened since 1945?
Why did you get down voted? Back then US nuked Japan to stop the war. Why not now? It’s a fair game.
And how many deaths would nuking America save before they invade Greenland? It’s a net negative my dude. If you’re going to quote history, you should probably understand it. Invading Japan would have cost millions of Japanese, American, and European lives. Nuking Japan killed hundreds of thousands to save millions.
Nuking the US is just going to kill hundreds of millions to save Greenland, and give any surviving MAGA a literal excuse to nuke the planet for Billionaires to then buy up for pennies in the dollar.
Nuking the US won’t stop them. That’s what they want. It’s why they used their money to buy their way into US politics. The US can now just be blamed for this bullshit instead of the billionaire puppet masters that are behind it. It’s those billionaires that want Greenland, not the US.
There’s like 8 of them too. You just need to kill those 8 people and pretty much the entire fucking world will prosper.
They’ll survive the US getting nuked though, as their plan is to buy up your government next. And they likely already are.
Guess Americans I can’t blame them or maybe other Europeans who don’t want to escalate.
I don’t believe in half measures though, history kind of shows them to be pointless. I figure an invasion of a nato country is unrestricted war.
How exactly does one prepare for invasion?
Arm the polar bears.
There are a lot of ways to prepare for an invasion. They range from the personal (stock up on food, find a safe place) to the societal (arm yourselves, prepare defenses, organize militia or resistance cells).
Nobody is denying the US would flatten Greenland but they can make governing the people impossible. Thats the point of resistance.
It’s 56k people. The US doesn’t need to govern shit, they would probably just deport them all if they invade.
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In Greenland specifically, it means staring wistfully out at the ice and ocean and considering your life choices.
Californian here.
There’s really no possible way I’ll ever have any sort of faith in my country again. I won’t go out of my way to help it. I’ll always default to assuming it’s a bad actor and that I need to protect myself from it. From here on out I’m a Californian, not an American.
Orange dipshit will die. Sooner than later. But the country will still be full of irredeemably stupid assholes. I don’t feel any allegiance to that. It only serves to make me feel nauseous.
Welcome to the sensible German’s approach to “patriotism”. Definitely after WW2, but absolutely relevant again. Our governments have been full of shit ever since, with surprisingly the only non-selfish head of state having been the conservative Mrs. Merkel, whom no one expected it of. She still did spearheaded a government with fucked up social politics, but at least not for personal gain (only for that of her buddies in industry) - which is arguably a low bar to clear. Anyways, the bottomline is: I’m a human first, European second, a lot of things then, and a German only by some piece of paper.
This is why we will never trust you guys again up here in Canada. Even if Trump and his crew all died tomorrow and somehow the friendliest, nicest person became the president, it wont matter. The relationship is done for.
I realize to most Americans that doesnt mean much but its also how the rest of the world sees you. You guys are toxic. Maybe not as individuals. But as a nation.
Exactly. I think the EU should strengthen its ties to other European countries and Canada, and reduce or eliminate its dependency on the US or US companies. And look for more alliances elsewhere: South America, and democracies in Africa and Asia. I would rather deal with China than the US at this point (though Russia is still worse).
though Russia is still worse
Barely.
I’ve started to civilly disobey by removing myself from the economy as much as possible.
Cancelling my car insurance felt like a rite of passage.
I’m so incredibly tired boss- tired of arguing with dumb magat nazi fucks on the internet, tired of seeing my country destroyed from the inside out day by day, tired of seeing the orange jizz biscuit spewing rhetoric from the podium out of his face anus like a sharting sprinkler- I’m doing my diligence and vetting activists groups to join so I can get off the internet take it to the streets. no nazi should feel comfortable, period
I ban every single fascist I meet on here. I’m not going to engage with them. No matter what I tell them, there is exactly 0% chance they’ll realize they’re pieces of shit and kill themselves. It’s just a complete waste of time, and instead they get to spread their bullshit and hate.
Seriously I think we could all do with less interacting with nuts. The kind of neutral objectivism that is celebrated in rational discourse is exactly what’s co-opted during these encounters.
I ended up writing paragraphs as a result of a back and forth between a conspiracy theory who thought NASA lies about space and Kirk alive somewhere.
Dude told me, “Nice try jew” in the end. I’m goddamn east Asian and told him multiple times, even writing in Japanese.
They take their ignorance as proof of their own enlightenment.
Just fucking sad.
Just fucking sad
Its a lot worse than that, its world war 3
I seriously cannot picture this happening. More of Trump’s dementia addled Twitter rambling. Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
I mean, crazier shit has happened, but I see the US going full Handmaid’s Tale long before I see them invading a self-governed nation full of almost exclusively white people.
My money would be on Russia making that play before the US.
Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
One of those string-pullers is Stephen Miller, who is obviously mentally deranged and maybe even sub-human. A living embodiment of all the cringey super-villain speeches made by incels since the millenium.
He absolutely wants war and suffering.
It won’t happen, it was never going to happen, but Trump will throw such shit-fits they’ll basically give him the equivalent of what he’s asking for so he shuts up. See also the Nobel Peace Prize he strongarmed. It wasn’t technically taken by force but it’s in his hands now, innit.
Don’t underestimate that shithole country
It’s so bizarre seeing people capitulate to toddler tantrums. We’re all being held hostage by an ipad kid.
It’s behind a paywall and I’m not giving Bloomberg money
Yea fuck bloomburg
ITT: Americans once again diging up the nuanced difference between the people and the government from the memory hole they dumped it in the last time Russia was mentioned.
Difference is that Russia’s experience with democracy basically amounted to a brief but insincere flirtation during the 1990s, while Donald Trump and the Congress that enables him were democratically elected by the American people. Trump even won the popular vote this time.
If anything, I’d say that makes it even more glaring.
