killermurdererTrump strapped rockets to it.
Americans say their national passtime is Baseball.
The rest of the world says America’s national passtime is murder.
The rest of the world has no room to fucking talk. People in glass houses and all that.
I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear you over all that freedom and democracy. Or was that gunfire? It’s sometimes hard to distinguish the two.
Idk. I just feel like making fun of the victims of fascism to be in poor taste 🤷🏻
Fascism is very much the natural end state of ultra-nationalism.
A lot of those “victims” in America were fine with the culture of flag shagging leading to this.
(All it takes is to look at American interventions abroad to see that pretty much the entirety of the American political class and broader elites were absolutelly fine with Fascism as long as its effects stayed abroad, and those people were definitelly supported by most Americans, at last as long as there weren’t many coffins with Americans returning home - the other poster is totally correct in being angry at this).
And don’t get me started on how a huge slice of the American middle-class was alright with the total crash of social mobility since the 70s and explosion of inequality as long as they “got theirs” - the bottom of the country was falling but, hey, “I’m alright Jack”.
Mind you, this is the Progressive Politics forum so hopefully there are actually more people here who have long been aware and cared about “the greatest good for the greatest number” than elsewhere (so, leftwingers in the true sense) who are the only ones IMHO that haven’t been part of at least tilling and fertilizing the political field were American Fascism grew, and who are the only real vitims.
The rest were more like colaborators, or at least the kind of people the “First they came” poem talks about.
Perhaps. The majority cheered them on when when they freedoming and democratizing the rest of the world with the most obnoxious displays of patriotism and hypocrisy.
Now those same forces have turned inward and the victims are mostly people who failed to prevent this and are still failing to rise to the occasion. I don’t want them to feel comforted because they are victims. I want them goaded into fixing their shit.
So you have no clue what’s going on here. The majority have been against all this shit for decades. Shut the fuck up
That’s not remotely true; brutality against the global South has been bipartisan American tradition for a long time
That’s definitely not true. Americans even on the left never cared that much about deportations until ICE started targeting white people. Now it’s all hands on deck lol.
I love when people who are not American and not in tune with the average American tried to tell Americans how Americans think.
I don’t care how you feel. Your moral position is as important as a butterfly’s fart in a hurricane.
I care that you act and act effectively. I’m not seeing it. For decades your collective thumbs have been up your asses and you’re losing very badly. Save your anger for your real enemies. Fix your shit.
This really has become the go to excuse for Americans, hasn’t it? They can no longer pretend they’re not doing terrible things, do they move down the list of justifications to “well I’m sure everyone else is doing it too”
Was anybody at all saying that this was all the result of sloppy training under Trump? The GOP wasn’t saying that, because they praise everything Trump does. The most useless and cowardly of the democrats did mention training, but not as the only issue. Two things can be true: the new recruits that have joined in the last year are undertrained and incompetent, and the entire institution is rotten to the core.
ICE and Border Patrol are rotten. But, it’s not just them. All policing in the US needs to be torn apart and rebuilt. Too many bad apples were left in the bunch, and now the bunch has rotted. Police officers really need to believe in their core that their mission is “To Protect And Serve”. They can’t see themselves as the “Thin Blue Line” between order and chaos. I would bet that the majority of American police would sneer in derision at Robert Peel’s principles of policing, when really that should be a bare minimum 19th century historical document that is taken for granted in the modern world.
I think an argument could be made that the agencies’ rottenness hadn’t mattered, that prior to 2025 they would have been this disastrous, but were never broadly deployed in a way where it had such dire consequences as now.
I think the agencies’ rottenness was a back burner issue. It mattered, but there were so many other things that mattered more. There’s also the fact that the victims of awful ICE and Border Patrol agents were almost never Americans. They even knew better than to touch Europeans or rich Asians. As a result, any terrible things they did mostly stayed under the radar.
Was anybody at all saying that this was all the result of sloppy training under Trump?
The Lincoln Project, for starters. Hakeem Jeffries got on the “they just need more training” bandwagon recently. Lots of Op-Eds about how “Abolish ICE isn’t helping” have said this
All policing in the US needs to be torn apart and rebuilt.
Preach it
Show me the link where they said it was all the result of sloppy training under Trump.
I’m not saying they never said that the agents needed more training. I’m saying the claim is that it is all the result of sloppy training. That there are no other issues.
Policing in general in the USA needs reform. You’ve got most officers training to use their gun first and ask questions later, like they are at war with the citizens in their jurisdictions. Sometimes that might be necessary, but mostly not. I get the job can be dangerous, but they signed up for it. If the only tool you give them is a hammer, everything becomes a nail.
Besides the fact that police come from slave-catchers and are an institution which should be entirely abolished, perhaps replaced with state-run SWAT teams for the scenarios that actually require an armed response and community safety officers for everything else, what you’re talking about is largely a result of the so-called ““War on Terror””. There was so much extra equipment from the Middle East that much of it was given for free to police officers. Military equipment plus military training (see “The Rise of the Warrior Cop”) resulted in police that view and treat America like a battleground and all citizens as potential threats.
See also, Dave Grossman and “Killology Training.”
Being a cop is a less dangerous job than being a pizza delivery driver. The vast majority of cops go their entire careers without firing a shot except at the range. Yet they act like every time they stop someone for speeding they’re about to be murdered.
It’s a fact that because of the American gun culture that’s more true in the US than it is in most countries. So, maybe as long as the US has guaranteed gun rights and the accompanying gun culture, US cops will be in slightly more danger than cops around the world. But, there’s no reason that the job couldn’t fundamentally be about keeping people safe vs. shooting bad guys.
Trump is the symptom. Capitalism is the disease. Socialism is the cure.
They’ve identified the one from yesterday?
Only thing I’ve seen is that he was wearing a Texas patch on his back
More than 50 people died in ICE custody under Obama.
And double the deportations of Trump 1, still way less than Genocide Joe.
That whole country is rotten from top to bottomPoint being? The post is about the agency being rotten yes.
Last year 30 people died in ICE custody and until January 9th 4 people died. So 2026 is already at the level of Obamas average for an entire year.
Obama still wins. He deported the most immigrants of any president in history. Libs only care when Republicans do it.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/19/obama-trump-deportation-numbers/84257245007/
Pretty disgusting the way you’re writing off those deaths, as if it’s normal for 7 people to die every year in these facilities.
By that logic we can also write off the murder victims of ICE as just 2 people. Americans get shot every single day right?
The contexts of the deportations matter.
I think deporting to foreign prisons in nations that have nothing to do with country of origin is new, and more cruel. Ignoring need for asylum too. Returning an undocumented immigrant that came from Mexico that ‘just’ came to get better pay to go back and walk free in Mexico is a whole lot of difference.
Yes, Ice has a job to do, combat illegal immigration. Were there roving bands of ice agents attacking cities en mass during Obama? Democrats are not political fan boys like Republicans are. They are elected officials expected to do the job they are hired for in a dignified manner, unlike Republicans. Republicans get elected to elevate hate and break down discourse. And apparently overthrow democracy?!
Boooooooooootliiiiiiiiiickerrrrrrrrrrr, no one is illegal on stolen land.
How does one just steal land? I’ve heard of adverse possession, and that’s legal all over the world to various degrees.
I think the word you want is conquer, though. That’s a debt typically paid in blood.
Cheers.
lmao, it was “dignified” when Obama deported 3.1 million immigrants 🤣
Americans are getting exactly what they deserve right now, and you’ve proved it.
Biden did waaay worse
2 WHITE people, that’s what counts for them
Yep. What a gross country.
Yea we bitched about him too. Unlike you cult followers.
“Everyone who criticizes a Democrat must support Trump” and 10 other Blue MAGA Braindead Classics.
Why do you think people ran when people mentioned “la migra”? These agencies have always been abusive but people turned that fear into a joke
people turned that fear into a joke
That’s a pretty common way of coping with trauma so I’m not sure what your point is. It doesn’t lessen how fucked up it is, it just makes reality less scary so you can deal with it.
Why do you think people ran when people mentioned “la migra”?
Because they didn’t want to be arrested?
And thus completing the “one bad apple…” statement.
Well 8 years is a Trump hire. 10 years, is a “Obama is a secret Muslim Kenyan that must be stopped to make Mexico pay for the wall” hire.
It’s about permission. These guys have always been there harbouring their evil thoughts but the system never allowed them to indulge.
Now they have permission.
Positions of violent authority always attract a certain person. I’m sure we’ve all seen this in our lives.
I think the women warned about these types of men during me too and the black community warned us during Black Lives Matter. These types of men have always been the biggest danger to good people
Trump is just accelerating it.
If it wasn’t Trump, it would be somebody else similar.
Some guy like him accelerating the speed of collapse is pretty standard at this stage of the Rise & Fall cycle of Empire (of which the US is most definitely in the Fall stage and has been since maybe all the way back in the late 70s).
The whole “elite pillaging” stage of the last couple of decades in an extremelly nationalist nation with a massive myth of national greatness was bound to deliver a populist strongman that promised to “restore the greatness of the nation”.
Maybe you’ll be lucky and avoid the whole “overextending itself in a war against multiple enemies / a peer level enemy” kind of thing that also often happens at this stage.
We’ve been doing that for the entirety of the cold war
The rot has always been here. Today its coming to the surface.
Strange headline. We’ve always had a police and border enforcement problem. All countries are rotting if you think of it that way.
What are you talking about?
Title says the agency is corrupted without (before) Trump and you’re saying there’s always been a problem with law enforcement agencies. What’s the incongruency you’re trying to point out? What is strange about it?
You need to get out more.
