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British food is great. Chicken tikka, pizza, Chinese, lasagne… The list goes on.
In all seriousness, there’s some great British food and people get too territorial about what constitutes as what food belongs to whom.
Definitely - foods like British / Scottish / Irish / Ulster fry, pork pies, bangers & mash, fish & chips, Sunday roast (carved meat, roast potatoes, yorkshire puds), shepherd’s pie, beef wellington to name a few. Plenty of deserts too. And ingredients like worcester sauce, English mustard, marmite etc.
A Sunday roast / carvery is basically what Americans get when they order prime rib. The cut of meat is slightly different due to different classifications but for all intents and purposes it’s a Sunday rib roast. For some bizarre reason in the US it’s regarded as fine dining with a price 4x as much as it would be for a better Sunday roast meal / carvery in a British pub. Over two decades ago I went to dine in a Lawry’s Prime Rib in Chicago - big mistake - massively overpriced for what it was.
Out of the food you mentioned only Beef Wellington and English Breakfast/Ulster Fry/ are uniquely British. Everything else is either not a dish (fried sausage and potatoes definitely is not a dish you philistine :P).
Pork pies, fish and chips, roast, shepherds pie - it is eaten in Britain, but is not unique to them, as was historically eaten across the whole Europe (I mean it is fish and chips, it didn’t need “inventing”)
Yes all those other things are distinctly British. Britain didn’t function in a vacuum and I’m sure there are influences to everything. But if you eat a British pork pie you absolutely know what it is. Same for fish and chips. Same for all those things.
Since we’re comparing to Italy where do you think tomatoes came from? Do you think pasta wasn’t independently invented in many places? Do you think olive oil, or bread, ragus, salted pork etc weren’t also done elsewhere?
And if you were to say, for example, that pasta with tomato sauce is an Italian dish, I’d argue it’s not, as pasta was eaten across the whole Europe, and likely first added tomato happened in Britain.
Bolognese sauce with pasta on the other hand would definitely be Italian dish. Do you see the distinction?
I think we need these smaller distinctions to have a meaningful conversation about food. If not, French crepes would be too similar to Norwegian pancakes, pizza and quiche could be the same if you ignore the yeast and tomato sauce, and if you really want to stretch it you could group Japanese ramen and Polish pasta soup together. In some ways I want to agree with you, for good ideas usually pop up multiple times and places, but I am too fond of traveling and tasting different food traditions to give in.
Fair.
Polish rosół is much more similar to French consomme than to ramen though. The stretch to ramen would be rather significant.
Yeah, I get this sentiment. I don’t particularly like cooking, but I like cooking a lot more than what my partner prepares.
The absolute best breakfast in the world is square sausage and potato scones.
England had to utilize military force to control India to get the spices, to make the blandest food on the planet.
They sold the spices to other nations for major profit to enrich themselves. They never intended to eat said spices.
Never tried English mustard or fresh horseradish sauce then?
What’s that old saying?
British women and British food made British sailors the best in the world.
Who would have anything against British cuisine? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHbWHGVYaU
This is another one of those times where I can’t tell if this is British humour or British documentary.
Can someone authoritative clarify? I literally can’t tell either.
I can! I come from that area and it’s a real dish that is eaten commonly and served in pubs and restaurants. If you go to a local market, you can get then to take away with scoops of mushy peas in the container too.
I don’t eat meat, so I can’t speak to the taste, but mushy peas themselves are delicious and shouldn’t taste anything like garden peas. They are more like a dal.
Huh; I’ve gotten so used to all the non–slur-related uses of “faggot” that Brit.s employ that I didn’t even consider that was the source of the confusion.
I was just like, “Of course; like in that one commercial.”
100% real, you can buy packs of frozen removedts at basically any supermarket
You can only tell at the very end when he says “no joke intended”
Lmao, the first comment:
"Well I know my algorithm didn’t search for “peas.”
I did NOT see that opening sentence coming! 😂
Opening, middle, end… Much like removeds, there just is so much to love.
I have several thousands of millions of food intolerances, so I love that British simplicity
Yeah, no, Italians can’t make breakfast for shit.
Coffee and a cake does not breakfast make.
I hate Italian breakfast. My stomach doesn’t fare well with coffee, sugar, or wheat. I skip breakfast when I’m there.
English breakfast might be considered an acceptable meal if it wasn’t served at the time of day it is.
I mean even scrambled eggs is too much for any Italian hotel or breakfast restaurant I’ve been to. Like literally as if they made it mediocre on purpose.
Huh? It’s a passable breakfast, I don’t really see it being much of a lunch or dinner. Okay MAYBE lunch.
Eggs: okay admitting this is a breakfast staple. Sausage and/or beans: instant lunch or dinner category.
That’s better than my Israeli coworker. Coffee and cigarette.
A classic. For sure that’s a dope sando tho
The cow that made that cheese should sue him for assault.
He’s Scottish though, not English
The Scotts will one up the English at any chance they get out of pure spite if for no other reason.
There are other reasons?
Yeah and it must have been really hard to on-up them on terrible food. But they did manage to come up with Haggis in the end.
Also deep fried mars bars apparently
I’m italian, but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want me in your kitchen
But seriously i had a roast at an English friends house, have you guys ever heard of slow cooking? Braising? Grilling? Marinating? Just throwing a roast in boiling water or in the oven for an hour isnt gonna cut it
I was gonna say hey, that’s what I do and mine turns out fine, then googled to see what braising means and apparently that’s what I do with my roasts.
Do you mean the brits just… Straight up boil roasts, fully submerged and without browning firat?
You’re welcome to come over and try it, but I can’t help you if you end up in the village stocks.
Not sure but my ex used to serve salt beef boiled with carrots potatoes and cabbage all boiled in one pot. It was fine but also very plain and not very flavourful
Sounds like eighteenth century peasant food.
I can’t agree, but I can very much understand.
Don’t worry, it’s not a trad misogynist belief that women belong in the kitchen. It’s just a widdle bit of cute racism.
“Relatively recent”
I’ll be sure to let the Etruscans know.
Ahkshually, cultures all over the world have eaten crustaceans for millennia!
(I made up that fact for the sake of the punch line, no idea if accurate)
My people would rather have starved than eat crustaceans. Lobsters were being fed to prisoners in the US until recently. People are weird.
(It was a valiant attempt)
Isn’t tomato native to the Americas?
Most food is.
And pasta to China.
Pasta has been around in Italy since at least the Roman era. The story that they didn’t know about pasta until Marco Polo returned from China is just not true. He might have brought back some specific new recipes, but Italians have been enjoying pasta since before the three kingdoms began their romance.
The Etruscans, famously known for their tomato sauce.
“Food made by people living on what is now the Italian peninsula” is not a synonym for “Italian food.”
Yeah, all they did was form the basis for modern pasta, and cultivate the seasonings used by modern Italians. I’m sure that counts for absolutely nothing. /s
It’s a reference to Alberto Grandi and his theses about the origins of many popular Italian dishes that are perceived as “traditional” but did not become mainstream until after WWII (and that Italian cuisine before that was much more regional and less homogeneous).
I think there’s something to those arguments, but it is worth noting that he’s not really a “food historian” as he’s often described but a professor of economics and management.
economics and management
The foremost things I have with every meal.
I agree but if you need some beans made, they will excel in that.
The best chefs in the world are men.
Nah, they’ve just got better publicity. Gordon Ramsey couldn’t whip up a dish half as delicious as my nonna could.
Your mum is the best sausage handler in the world
Well, turns out that for the past few hundred years men cooks were only the talented ones or those that had interest, while for women it was not a choice.
