• Th4tGuyII@fedia.io
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    The problem with your regular conspiracy theorist is that the conspiracies they usually believe in are born of ignorance, and can be utterly dismantled with relatively little research.

    Why would a corrupt, tax-dodging billionaire who literally embezzeled from a children’s charity be willing to help anyone but himself?

    How could there be a pedo-ring hosted in the basement of a random pizza restaurant with no basement?

    From my experience at least, the conspiracies that turn out to be true are usually those where there is a concrete benefit to those involved, especially when it involves depravity.

    Who stands to benefit from suppression of the Earth being flat, and how do they benefit?

    Even to more “credible” conspiracies. If vaccines did cause Autism, and it was provable - why wouldn’t one of the big pharmaceuticals have ripped their competition to shreds by showing that and releasing their own that doesn’t? Do pharmaceutical giants not like kicking their competition out the market and securing more profit for themselves?

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      Who stands to benefit from suppression of the Earth being flat, and how do they benefit?

      extend that to truly controversial and equally true topics of today; like north korea; and most will come to understand that they too have bought into conspiracy theories themselves.

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      me believing in adrenochrome, an imaginary chemical known only to pedophile lizard people: ✅✅✅✅✅

      me believing in CO2 and climate change known to everyone, their mom, and first discovered by billionaire execs: 😭🫵 😭🫵 😭🫵

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    Almost like deciding whether things are true based on vibes and what your social circle approves of does not work

  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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    Conspiracy theorists were a psyop to make investigating actual conspiracies unpalatable to the left.

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      Yeah they started pizza gate to make it look just as absurd when their actual crimes came to light.

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          These are the things, in combination with all the republicans talking openly of a secret plan for the 2024 election, that make me want to plan for fleeing the country after the next election.

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            Valid. Running is a reasonable survival strategy. I know because I’m here today due to my Great Grandad running from Germany and handing over information to the U.S…

            I’m choosing to stay and fight, but I will never shit on someone choosing to survive by running. It’s a valid choice.

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        I feel like the fishhook theory only works so well because a lot of centrists* fear losing what little they have, and are easily coerced into thinking that socialism means you will have to give up your wealth.

        * And by that I mean actual centrists, not the far-right people who claim to be centrists, because they love moving goalposts into the realm of harm.

        When reality is, free socialism and communism means EVERYONE benefits, except for the multimillionnaires and billionnaire oligarchs. (And hell, even the latter two benefit from not needing to pay a gigantic army and repressive bureaucracy to keep the people in check).

        The chance of you being one, or even becoming one such oligarch, is smaller than you dying from cops/getting poorer because of a lack of regulations keeping the rich in check.

        With increased class consciousness - ie. making everyone who’s not straight up a multimillionnaire, aware of what they have to lose if they keep voting right, and making them feel safer with left-wing policies - comes increased readiness to action. And that we must use. The narrative is ours to take.

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    All these conspiracy theories turning out to be true are starting to make me wonder about the moon landing. Maybe the world really is flat?

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      Maybe the world really is flat?

      Nah. Easy way to see this is to derive (or look up) the expressions for the gravitational potential due to a sphere and due to a uniform plane. Then, fit the actual gravitational potential using known weights and simple gear to the same nonlinearities found in the two derivations. The spherical expression should be a much closer match. My undergraduate college physics course actually had a unit where we fit the gravitational potential, so it’s extremely technically easy to do. In particular, the plane expression does not change with height. If you’re very careful, you can probably measure the difference between performing the experiment at sea level versus at high elevation. This difference is predicted in the spherical expression.

      Also, if the Earth was flat, then straight lines would be the shortest trajectories (geodesic lines) along the Earth, and airliners would fly these trajectories, modulo war zones and other no-fly zones, to save money. In fact, airliners fly long haul flights in patterns that “look curved” on any flat map. These are the shortest paths on the sphere of the Earth. This is because topologically speaking, a flat plane surface has one global chart, whereas there is no global chart for the sphere, so any chart map will distort the true distances compared to the original sphere. (The neat thing about the theory of manifolds is that all these words have technical mathematical definitions that basically line up with their plain English usage.) This shows that, at least when it comes to flying airplanes, i.e. what ways you are allowed to traverse the sphere as a two-dimensional manifold, the Earth is topologically equivalent to a sphere.

      the moon landing

      Also nah.

      https://wtop.com/science/2019/07/the-experiment-still-running-on-the-moon-and-tv-re-runs-50-years-later/

      This one is harder to demonstrate without a bit of money.

      But also…if it never happened, why would the Soviet Union have let the AmeriKKKan government win the Space Race? There was enough historical and scientific evidence at the time for all world powers to conclude that it must have happened.

    • TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zoneM
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      These “conspiracies” that are turning out to be true were not the ones conspiracy theorists really cared for. Those fuckers were following a secret agent larping grifter who posted on a CSAM website he ran with his dad. The theorists were pawns in the conspiracy, a conspiracy to turn pedophilia into a toothless tool, oppress minorities, and support those already in power.

      The rich and political elites are depraved freaks who treat people as disposable and do fucked up things because they can get away with it. This is capitalism working as intended. This sort of evil is what classism and legalized corruption always lead to. Unless the conspiracy actually challenges this fundamental power structure, it only helps them.