• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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              I pay dues to the org I work with, I don’t think it’s sad at all to want the working classes to finally be liberated, and work towards that goal.

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                Nah, in this thread no less that 4 users on ML basically said wipe America out, despite millions protesting, despite the systemic issues like vote suppression and first pass the post that allowed them to win you put all of the sins on the general public which is problematic at best.

                I’m not saying that America is good, under its current leadership it is absolutely a destabilizing force in the world. But to pass those sins onto the general public is troublesome.

                I want you to imagine if people said the same thing about Russia or China or Israel. Do you understand how many innocent people would die for the actions of their government? There would be no nation left because no nation is without guilt.

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                  People don’t want literal genocide on Statesians. What people want is the end of the US Empire, including the state, ideally via socialist revolution. I also want the end of Israel as a state, and I want Russia to have a socialist revolution. It’s important to read into what people are actually meaning by their words, and not take it to mean that they want to kill you personally, unless you’re fighting to uphold imperialism.

                  I myself am a Statesian, and have no intention on dying.

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                    That’s a charitable take but when people say they support Donald Trump because he “threatens US hegemony” while not acknowledging:

                    • the very real suffering of innocent civilians
                    • the threat he poses to Canada and Greenland
                    • they are a nuclear super power
                    • the normalizing influence this has had on far right policy and indeed advanced it in much of the world

                    It makes it ring very hollow. Because if your goal was to replace it with technofuedalism we’re on track.

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        Perhaps there should be no “america” at all. Seems like that option would save the world from a lot of death, and destruction and economic rape.

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          It depends on if you are talking about the entity or the people in the entity.

          If the former, I do not disagree. There need not be states at all in fact, as a matter of preference.

          If you are talking about the people, well, it sounds like you are talking about more death and destruction so no thanks.

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            Strongest Reader in America Award 🏅

            Why don’t you re-read my comment and see if I said “America” or, “Americans”.

            Take your time, I’ll wait.

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              That is very kind of you. I am a strong reader; in fact I’m not too humble to mention that I was the recipient of multiple Pizza Hut Personal Pan Pizzas in my youth, as recognition for my excellent reading skills, and so it is touching for you to recognize it.

              My fellow strong readers will be well aware that there are multiple ways for a country to cease existing. Some peaceful, and some violent.

              As thoroughly insightful, erudite, and compellingly written as that gem of a comment was, it did not specify. And given your server, it seemed prudent to seek specifics.

              Thank you for the helpful response.

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                “Communists want to kill all americans”

                You got it buddy, I’m against human death and destruction, EXCEPT for americans somehow. Because they aren’t people? Or something?

                Yeah that would be a weird contingency, especially because it was never stated or suggested. This strawman, conceived entirely of your preconceived notions, that you started arguing against, would indeed be illogical. Great shit sherlock.

                So keep your medallion, you’ve earned it. And I’m glad we wasted all this time appealing to your nonsensical and delicate sensibilities. Your superior mind is exactly why commies want to kill you. You’re just too motherfuckin smart.

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                  I have only been trying to clarify your view and there is no strawman so if you see that as somehow hostile or adversarial then that is very much a problem you will carry with you after I’ve forgotten this exchange.

                  Peace to you.

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                    Seriously, re-read the conversation and tell me who got tripped up. And where. I have remained clear and consistent this whole time.

                    You got caught up on something that nobody ever stated because you made a weird assumption in your mind.

                    If you can’t see this, then that is genuinely just sad. You are earning that strongest american reader award in triplicate.

                    And no peace to you. Your “peace” is a prison for you to walk around as an ignorant fool. I hope this uncomfortable exchange wakes you the fuck up.