At 8:16 a.m. on August 10, 2019, an anonymous 4Chan user posted…
It beat ABC News journalist Aaron Katersky’s post about Epstein’s death on Twitter, now known as X, by 38 minutes
Is that in any way surprising? Someone with insider knowledge posted about it before a journalist was informed?
In the Wikipedia article about his death they said that he was rushed to the hospital and pronounced dead at 6:39 AM. More than 90 minutes before even this post on 4Chan, he’d already been taken out of his cell, rushed to an ambulance, driven across NY, taken to a hospital, rushed into the emergency room, and pronounced dead. There were so many opportunities for someone to notice that and post it somewhere.
In a sense, this means you pretty much clear the jail guards, ambulance drivers and emergency room doctors, nurses, orderlies, etc. of suspicion. Can you imagine that they saw a dead Epstein, but sat on that for 90 minutes before posting it to 4Chan?
What’s surprising here isn’t that it was posted first to some forum used by random Internet chuds. That’s what you’d expect. What’s surprising is that they were competent enough to keep the news quiet for nearly 2 hours.
Trump obviously killed this dude, right?
No. There’s talk about he’s alive and living in israel. Which makes a lot of since. Epstein was too powerful to be killed.
Obviously, it’s because the FBI is on 4chan.
and the Bureau of Prisons.
FBI is more interested in who leaked epstein’s death on 4chan than who he raped children with
They know who he raped children with, that’s their blackmail cache.
They don’t know who the weak link in the chain is; that’s going to end up being blackmail against them.
I don’t think that he is
Deadif he suddenly shows up with a fleet of gold
star destroyersbattleships i will forgive JJ and Disney but only thenThat would be some uncreative writing. What’s next? We all wake up and Trumps re-election was just a dream?
you know what, I’m the kind of person who likes to listen to conspiracy theories but doesn’t believe in them.
An angels dream sounds like a perfectly satisfying ending to this nightmare
Elon and his cohorts have been involved in 4chan since it was a cultural phenomenon back in the day. Not because he had some skin in the game, but because it probably felt good to know and disseminate information before the rest of the 4channers knew it. That boy is all about clout before anything else.
clout
Isn’t 4chan’s main claim to fame that everybody is anonymous?
It is! Until you tell everyone that you hang out on /b/. Much like a number of people in his DOGE cabinet that were salivating at the chance to undermine the government without understanding how it functioned. Telling people that you browse /b/ is virtue signaling that you’re mentally deficient.
I don’t think virtue signaling is accurate here.
I think it is directly signaling that you are mentally deficient, and this has been true the entire time /b/ has existed.
True. /b/ was never good.
Elon def has namefag energy
i don’t use 4chan, what’s a namefag
Basically, on an online forum like 4chan, using a username or real name instead of just going with the flow like almost everyone else.
As for why they attach f*g to literally any and every designation besides anon, it’s 4chan. Actually, many dots were connected for me as far as the disgusting nature of 4chan when I realized Epstein was very active on /pol/. He was also very active on /u/ (Yuri) but most people aren’t ready for that conversation, people really don’t like it when you imply porn is bad here.
so rather than get a new number every post, logging in and getting a username sort of thing?
Is he dead ? Are you sure 🤔
Pics?
whenever there is breaking news, I always pop over to 4chan. They have videos, images, witnesses, and statements before any mainstream media.
Yup, same. Even now, despite how bad it’s gotten over there. They’re usually ahead of certain types of news
What board is posted on?
/b/ and /pol/, occasionally /bant/
Obviously you have to sift through the usual 4chan shit to get to it but it’s there
I’ve managed to avoid going to 4chan for over a decade, but now with how other sites are going, I should probably consider going there regularly to see what’s what
it’s gotta be better than reddit, right? at least in terms of real people behind the accounts?
Not worth it.
It’s almost the absolute worst of humanity made anonymous and public. “Almost” is only there because they will delete blatantly illegal content like cp, but anything else goes. Overt racism becomes normalized because people engage with it so it keeps getting bumped to the top. Some legitimately mean it, some are just trolling for the lolz, but either way it desensitizes people and normalizes the view.
Repeat for any other kind of bigotry or harmful view you can imagine.
In terms of real people behind the accounts
One of the defining features of 4chan is the lack of accounts. Most posts are anonymous. Even harder to tell if someone is human or bot when you can instantly just roll a new anon ID.
yeah I don’t mean browsing I just mean when something happens to go check out there instead of elsewhere that has no info yet
gonna be honest, it’s not usually worth being on the bleeding edge or whatever the kids are calling it of info if you have to go to 4chan. take a nap, let your blood pressure drop, and then go back to your usual reliable sources.
It’s way worse than reddit. It is trolls trolling the cesspool. It just so happens that thanks to no filters, 4chan breaks news faster than anyone. They had all the Charlie kirk videos before anyone and the news of his shooters capture too. They knew world cup hosts and all about Luigi hehe anyone. Celebrity scandals and political victories too.
Probably trying to find a way to sue 4chan.
Slam dunk case too.
Can we do a class action lawsuit?
Lol the FBI is worried that people might leak shit they’re doing, so they gotta scare off Anonymous.
And certain accounts in certain places known to be Epstein accounts are mysteriously active…
What if his passwords were leaked or were in the published files? Then it’s easy to understand why.
They were accessed before the files were released. One was a FedEx account that was actively being used for shipping. He has a bank account that his estate funded after he died that was drawn down to zero over time and even had things like cable bills posted against it.
Not entirely farfetched considering what passes for cybersecurity these days…
Source ?
Ok, the containers one is interesting. The other fortnine one lacks evidence.
I’ve been getting the impression lately that 4chan has been a platform where the rich, or someone paid by them, uses snippets of truthful information baked into outlandish stories to obfuscate their ongoings behind a narrative of easily dismissible conspiracy. Like feeding the pigs carrots, so their shit smells of shit and carrots, and now everyone avoids carrots as a byproduct of it’s association with shit.
What are the odds this is just more of that? They may speak on Epstein’s death before it’s reported for credibility, then misuse that credibility to obfuscate the truth further. The FBI could have been in the dark, hence their investigation, but they could have also been steered away from making any conclusions on the matter.
Q was probably Steve Bannon working through Ron Watkins who was a useful idiot proxy. The point was to make talking about what Epstein and the gang were actually doing sound like crazy talk.
Remember: A way to poison the truth is to package it with 9 lies, and a way to hide a lie is to package it with 9 truths.
QANAON was started by Putin, and basically right wingers took with it and ran.
Ghislaine Maxwell was a /pol/ mod. That’s all I need to know.
She was also allegedly /u/maxwellhill on Reddit
“it’s a containment board”
Much more believable than the meeting btwn the two
Why do you think Elmo bought Twitter…
Wow a 4chan user has a job.
On one hand I’m happy this fuck is dead, and I hope he did suffer.
On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass
On the other hand, we all know he did not commit suicide and got killed by the Pedoresident following the playbook of his BFF putin to try to save his fat orange pedo ass
No, we don’t. That’s a dumb conspiracy theory.
he definitely got assassinated, giving how fast they tried to cover it up, and the news/congress politicinas(both DNC/GOP) dint want it to come to light
I hate when characters are killed off screen
It turns out the actor playing Epstein was himself involved in a sex trafficking scandal. He was fired. That’s why they couldn’t have an on-screen death for the Epstein character. The whole thing is super meta.
There’s still the option that it was a faked death. That much wealth and power, if it could be done, that’s who and when it would be done. I’m not giving it much credence without more evidence, but I’ve got no reason to think that it’s not possible given the series of absurd happenings that morning.
I’m sure it was possible to swap Epstein out. I just don’t think there was the motivation for it
No one wants Epstein alive. The rich and powerful want to bury their crimes, normal people want retribution. The only motivator I can imagine would be a deadman switch, but even if Epstein were smuggled out, the rich and powerful would have dismantled any blackmail Epstein had by now and finished the job
I see no path that still has Epstein alive at this point
the best place to hide is the country that orchestated it, israel.
no i found a better hiding spot
There’s still the option that it was a faked death.
I love watching credible conspiracy theories turn into pure garbage conspiracy theories right before my eyes in one thread.
Somebody in Israel logged into Epstein’s Fortnight account a few years after his supposed death, FYI.
This was a hoax, look it up.
Epstein’s Fortnite account
I hate this timeline so much
Is there any reason to believe it wasn’t hacked? If I’m murdered then my account being accessed doesn’t prove I’m secretly alive. Especially if I used insecure passwords like Epstein is reported to have done.
It’s not impossible, but if he was still alive I find it hard to believe he’d just access it once and never again. Stupid billionaires with bad passwords probably happens all the time and we just don’t know about it because they’re not at the center of an international child sex exploitation crime ring.
See, this is my take as well - other people knew/guessed his passwords and used his account that way. Keeping him alive really doesn’t do anything for the “it’s all a coverup” story, especially when a LOT of his associates and contacts are getting tangled up in this release of his files. Additionally, this guy was talking so openly about manipulating markets, sex crimes, and all sorts of legal and quasi legal shit that I find it hard to imagine that EVEN IF he was connected to Israeli intelligence like has been suggested, EVEN IF he got spirited out of prison and away to Tel Aviv, I find it hard to imagine Mossad would want to keep such a DEEPLY compromised asset alive instead of driving him into the Negev and putting two bullets in the back of his head.
Trump’s Twitter password was maga or something like that. After it got hacked I’m pretty sure it was maga2020 when it got hacked again
His original twitter password was, “yourefired”, which was found because it was his LinkedIn password during the breach a few years prior
Darknet Diaries has an episode about it: https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/87/
So I guess it’s maga2028 now?
nah they probably went back to 0-0-0-0-0 because he got too angry to shit and tweet at the same time again.
“We did it, lemmy!”
I would bet a handler was checking the device and fucked up.
and played a few ranked rocket league games for fun while they were at it
Then got pissed at the smerfs and killed himself
That someone was exposed as a teenage “hacker”.
I used quotes because it was more social engineering and lying than any sort of hack.
“hacker”… According to Epic, someone changed their handle to Epstein’s handle that was exposed in the files. There was no hacking involved.
I would absolutely believe it that he was walked out and flown to Israel where he lives as a hero of the pedo-genocide state, but his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide. I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…
his brother who identified his body is vocal about evidence it wasn’t a suicide.
He was killed! He’s dead, but killed! Dead, you see? Dead. Don’t go looking for him.
I’ve been hearing that the “changed handle” thing isn’t valid, because when an account handle is changed you can still see the original on the user’s profile (and that wasn’t the case for the littlestjeff account). With all the misinformation flying around, I have no idea about the accuracy of this though.
Yeah, it seems implausible to me that such a gaping security hole would be in a hugely popular game that long, but I guess that’s also not impossible. Stupider things have happened.
it’s a very common security issue. it’s usually not a problem because deletions aren’t very common: usually accounts are just inactive, and it’s not a problem that really effects the company itself so there’s no really big reason to focus on fixing it
i’m not arguing either way on this specific case; i’d not heard about it until right now… but it’s pretty plausible from a software and security standpoint
I’m not sure what incentive he’d have to both lie about identifying his brother’s body and making so much noise about it being a murder…
Remember that he was deeply involved in Epstein’s businesses, including holding the position of president over the J Epstein & Co investment firm.
Then if he went far enough to lie about identifying the body, it would serve him to not make a lot of noise about there being a big government conspiracy around it…
True, assuming this is rational behavior. People can do some pretty crazy things out of hubris or pressure though.
I’m not going to definitively state that Jeffery isn’t dead. It really is most plausible that he died that night. I just, wouldn’t be surprised if he showed up alive.
Their FedEx account was in use until 2024.
https://www.ontheditch.com/gained-access-to-epsteins-fedex-account/
I read somewhere that it was somebody else who changed their username to match his, and not the same account. Can’t find a source for it either way though.
If I had that much money I know I would have a “Hail Mary” boobytrap that released a bunch of incriminating evidence in case of my death.
That might be Ghislaine’s job.
if i had that much money, i’d probably start a big ass farm or something. not enough ass in the world today
Imagine if he’d been one of the state of the union guests.
Trump pulls off his face, gasp it was Epstein all along
Like when Andy Kaufman did an entire show at the Apollo with ‘his grandmother’ rocking back and forth in a chair off to one side, only to pull off the wig and it was Robin Williams (in his quietest role ever) all along?
Man comedy has gone so downhill.
Like there were the greats… Abbott, Costello…Kaufman, Belushi.
Millennials got fucked again. Foxworthy. Dunham. Cable Guy. Eddie Murphy’s later years. What have you done for me lately, Eddie?
We could’ve kept Chris Farley, but he had to die. And without him, David Spade is worthless.
and alot of those “comedy actors/actors” turned to be right wing turds.
Not impossible, but I don’t see what advantage there would be to keeping him alive vs just getting rid of him entirely.
A simple trade, destruction of evidence in exchange for his life. Mind you I’d still kill him regardless but I also wouldn’t make any deal with slime like that to begin with.
I’m guessing a guy like that who traded in relationships and secrets would be smart enough to set up a dead man drop in the event he goes quiet for too long. It keeps his life valuable.
That would make sense if he wasn’t arrested, convicted, interrogated and with a mountain of evidence in the hands of the FBI. A dead drop isn’t going to keep you alive if the person who wants you silenced thinks you’re already spilling the beans.
But even if that’s the case he’s alive until he clears the dead drop because he’d still be a loose end.
It makes keeping him alive, a matter of national security.
That too. Really it would depend how stupid he and his handlers were/are, I can’t really make any statements on stupid or smart rich assholes are though since I come from a place of assuming everyone of these profligates are universally just above braindead.
Who knows.
Like someone else said there might have been a dead man’s switch ready to release all the kompromat.
Death is obviously very final, if he’s stashed somewhere then you could wheel him out to testify although I can’t really think of a circumstance where that would be advantageous.
I tend to think murder is the far simpler objective and therefore the most likely.
Does it still count as suicide if they hand you the rope and tell you this is the easy way out and if you don’t play ball they’ll make sure it’s painful?
The only threat they needed to make was a return to general population.
I seem to remember him being attacked by another inmate. Instead of being put into protective custody he was put on suicide watch, which is its own kind of hell.
So, he changed his will to fuck over his victims, and is suddenly pulled off suicide watch.
The only two people needed to then make sure Epstein was dead would be the warden probably Epstein’s own lawyer. Maybe the psychiatrist who signed off on the removal from suicide watch… But the suicide watch wasn’t initially justified, so pulling Epstein off it wouldn’t seem strange.
Hell, if you were a clever, high placed official in the DOJ, an example being Bill Barr, you could simply tell the warden to “put some pressure on the pedo” and then use the lawyer to deliver the real message of “kill yourself before we put you into the general population”.
Then you get a dead loose end and no record of illegal activity inside the prison. Also you only have to buy off a single person who likely already has questionable morals.
Sorry dude but he’s not dead. You have to look at the evidence beyond a headline but it isn’t some strechy conspiracy at this point. None of the photos of him dead look dead, morticians have weighed in on that pretty decisively. He didn’t just have his xbox account go active after he had a fedex account and some other thing like streaming or an e-mail im not finding confirmations on. Then there’s the 2 guards who found him, read those interviews, again, doesn’t seem dead. Then there’s the notes in his cell with what seems like an escape plan that is for some reason partially redacted. And it goes on…
Fun spin to put on “Epstein didn’t kill himself” but also, you know, come on.
Yes. Come on. Read. Watch. Investigate.
Did you look up anything I just typed or oh, no, you just hit reply and assumed you already know everything you need to? Don’t fret, I’ll edit in links after lunch for the lazy.
Guard statments (you can read these elsewhere I’m in a hurry)
Fortnite was another player changing their name according to Epic but no comment on the redacted vbucks purchase in the files.
“None of the photos of him dead look dead” isn’t a great choice as your very first point if you’re trying to make a compelling argument.
I have added links. I’ll add the other online account if I find it.
O…kay, you got any sources with even a shred of credibility? Because those are links to two random entertainers on youtube, a substack article (yay, nazi news platforms!) and an article that claims to have accessed epstein’s FedEx account but doesn’t provide even a screenshot as evidence.
While his sources lack credibility, dismissing every substack as a “nazi news platform” is disingenuous
I’m not chatGPT, I’m not going to do your work for you for free. Those videos show you URLs in the files or… Who am I kidding, you aren’t going to do leg work, you’re so incredibly intellectually lazy as to write off all of substack and YouTube. GL skid
Who benefits from him being alive? His assets were seized so it’s not like he could plan his own escape. The evidence was also already seized so it’s not like he could keep evidence hidden. Most of his contact would be gone on the account him supposed to be dead. What would make him so important to keep him alive? It’s not to make sure he can’t testify because dead men also don’t testify. So what would be the reason for keeping him alive and out of prison?
Simple. It’s what Ghislaine wants and she holds all the blackmail in the world(almost literally). Jeffrey is hers, she gets what she wants.
Yeah it’s pain in the ass and overcomplicated but if this is an ongoing CIA Mossad operation it’s not really weird. The FBI has 14+TB of video footage logged in evidence. Imagine how much power Maxwell really weilds if she’s backed by Mossad
Jeffrey is hers, she gets what she wants.
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She’s still in prison, so even if Epstein is alive somewhere, she hasn’t gotten him
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Epstein would hold as much, or more, blackmail than her
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If she held that level of power, she would be out of prison herself
She is. At least some of the time. Swapping Maxwell would be insane right? Well not really when she already has such a sick deal where she comes and goes every day. It’s about as high risk for her as twins swapping places at school. If she’s that important to Mossad she already has a body double.
Her being alive this long used to really bother me after Epstein. His deadman switch never activated and she gets ignored then gets this wild deal while waiting for a pardon. Probably didn’t want to wait until midterms for the pardon and started having a double fill in so she could travel.
Yes I’m aware it sounds crazy but that deposition neither looks nor sounds like her 3 years ago and the response of releasing a bunch of b-roll footage of her is part of what sold me
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What’s keeping Ghislaine in a vacation prison where she gets her own dog, and the warden her bitch? What’s keeping all the American billionaires in the Epstein Files free from accountability? Stop trying to make sense of a world that has none.
What’s keeping Ghislaine in a vacation prison where she gets her own dog, and the warden her bitch?
There is no way she could die without the public overwhelmingly being angry about the situation, after what happened to Epstein. Therefore the best course for those in power is to placate her and give her the best conditions possible in exchange for her giving false testimony absolving them
What’s keeping all the American billionaires in the Epstein Files free from accountability?
The fact they’re in power and able to quash investigations, and the public is generally too distracted by divisive politics like race and gender identity
Don’t give up understanding it so easily. You can make sense of it when you consider the motivations and limitations of the players involved
Lol “and it goes on…”
Bank account, another online account I’m looking for the link to. I edited in links to the rest. Probably more in a few days which is what i mean by goes on…
Also 4chan and a dynamic IP stopping the FBI dead lol
The newly released Epstein files show that the Justice Department tried to identify the 4Chan user behind the posts — but couldn’t figure it out.
“Good luck, I’m behind 7 proxies.”
classic
Reminder that the Sarah Palin hacker was caught because they included the web proxy url in their screenshots they shared.
Edit: it was 16 years ago so here’s the Wikipedia article for additional context.
The hacker left behind traces of his activity. His IP address was logged at the proxy he used, CTunnel.com, and he also left his email address while posting to 4chan. Furthermore, the attacker revealed the original web address used by the proxy
There were at least 3 easy ways to track him. Dude really sucked at covering his tracks
I backtraced it!
