• DylanMc6 [any, any]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 days ago

    Jeffrey Epstein is singlehandedly responsible for the extreme polarization of this country, and it’s time that we experience a Great Cultural Reset this year.

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      Look, the man is an awful person, but don’t give him THAT much credit. Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, Lee Atwater and anyone involved in the southern strategy was major parts of it. McConnell, “The Freedom Caucus”, and “Tea Party” were major parts of it. The Koch Brothers with the heritage foundation is a major part.

      And this is the short list. I didn’t go into the evengelicals, AM conservative pundits, Rupert Murdoch and so much more.

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      It makes me wonder, Jepstein set a lot of gears to turn independently, but without the spider at the center of the right-wing web I wonder how completely the propaganda will deteriorate as there’s now one less cohesive force at the center pushing it forward.

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    At 8:16 a.m. on August 10, 2019, an anonymous 4Chan user posted…

    It beat ABC News journalist Aaron Katersky’s post about Epstein’s death on Twitter, now known as X, by 38 minutes

    Is that in any way surprising? Someone with insider knowledge posted about it before a journalist was informed?

    In the Wikipedia article about his death they said that he was rushed to the hospital and pronounced dead at 6:39 AM. More than 90 minutes before even this post on 4Chan, he’d already been taken out of his cell, rushed to an ambulance, driven across NY, taken to a hospital, rushed into the emergency room, and pronounced dead. There were so many opportunities for someone to notice that and post it somewhere.

    In a sense, this means you pretty much clear the jail guards, ambulance drivers and emergency room doctors, nurses, orderlies, etc. of suspicion. Can you imagine that they saw a dead Epstein, but sat on that for 90 minutes before posting it to 4Chan?

    What’s surprising here isn’t that it was posted first to some forum used by random Internet chuds. That’s what you’d expect. What’s surprising is that they were competent enough to keep the news quiet for nearly 2 hours.

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      Can you imagine that they saw a dead Epstein, but sat on that for 90 minutes before posting it to 4Chan?

      If they were involved in emergency response, they might have been too busy doing their jobs to post immediately.

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        Not really. If you’re the ambulance driver, for example, as soon as he’s out of your vehicle but before he’s pronounced dead, you’re not really involved anymore and you can post about it. Same for the prison guards and everyone else along the way.

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        Maybe… but not being able to find 30 seconds to post this major news for over 90 minutes? It seems more likely to me that whoever posted it found out about it closer to 8:30.

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      Not to mention the fact that people at ABC news knew about it sometime before the reporter posted about it.

      That’s what you’d expect. What’s surprising is that they were competent enough to keep the news quiet for nearly 2 hours.

      Most people in NYC are probably in traffic or on the train at that time in the morning. Aaron Katersky probably got the scoop simply by being at work before 9am.

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        I wonder how he found out. I’m guessing the person who leaked it on 4Chan is probably a political staffer, or something. Initially I thought it was a prison guard or a paramedic. But, I’d have expected them to leak it sooner. Say you’re a 4Chan user and you’re a prison guard. Would you really discover his body, call an ambulance… and then wait over an hour and a half before posting on 4Chan?

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          You might have some reports to fill out or whatever and post about it after getting home after the end of your shift or whatever. I mean it’s probably not the person’s first thought to post about it to 4chan so there being some lag time would make sense.

          But it could also just be an intern at ABC who monitors social media channels (including 4chan) for leads heard about it and posted before it was confirmed. Serious journalists will put in some legwork to confirm a story before reporting it, but there’s no requirement to do that if you’re just posting shit to 4chan.

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      It could have been any number of people. He had dirt on half the politicians and business leaders in the country. Lots of people wanted him dead.

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        Yeah but there’s the classic elements to solving a murder mystery: means, motive, and opportunity.

        Trump had all three.

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      No. There’s talk about he’s alive and living in israel. Which makes a lot of since. Epstein was too powerful to be killed.

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        Where did this theory come from? Why is it gaining traction? I heard it from someone in real life the other day. They also claimed Maxwell is with him. I was absolutely gobsmacked that this theory is evidently a thing now.

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        If he was too powerful to be killed then he would’ve been too powerful to even go to jail. If they possessed the ability to smuggle him out of prison then they possessed the ability to have him vanish before being arrested.

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          The strings aren’t pulled until they need to be, and when they are, they’re paired with smoke and mirrors, so the media can sell a working system and avoid plebeian unrest and vigilantes.

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      They know who he raped children with, that’s their blackmail cache.

      They don’t know who the weak link in the chain is; that’s going to end up being blackmail against them.

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    Elon and his cohorts have been involved in 4chan since it was a cultural phenomenon back in the day. Not because he had some skin in the game, but because it probably felt good to know and disseminate information before the rest of the 4channers knew it. That boy is all about clout before anything else.

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      clout

      Isn’t 4chan’s main claim to fame that everybody is anonymous?

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        It is! Until you tell everyone that you hang out on /b/. Much like a number of people in his DOGE cabinet that were salivating at the chance to undermine the government without understanding how it functioned. Telling people that you browse /b/ is virtue signaling that you’re mentally deficient.

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            Basically, on an online forum like 4chan, using a username or real name instead of just going with the flow like almost everyone else.

            As for why they attach f*g to literally any and every designation besides anon, it’s 4chan. Actually, many dots were connected for me as far as the disgusting nature of 4chan when I realized Epstein was very active on /pol/. He was also very active on /u/ (Yuri) but most people aren’t ready for that conversation, people really don’t like it when you imply porn is bad here.

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              tw: slurs I guess but from context I think that should be expected

              I’m pretty sure it started with “newfags” and self-declared “oldfags” and grew from there to be a general suffix. (e.g. “consolefag here. Should I finally try PC?”)

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                Uh, no, more like making a post and then signing your message with a username/real name.

                Edit: truth be told though, I don’t know if there was a way to actually have a ‘username’ on 4chan — someone else will have to answer that. Didn’t spend a large amount of time on the platform.

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                  Pretty sure it’s just a text field but yeah I was saying Elon is an egomaniac so he would sign his posts on a board that’s known for anonymity

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    whenever there is breaking news, I always pop over to 4chan. They have videos, images, witnesses, and statements before any mainstream media.

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            I’ve managed to avoid going to 4chan for over a decade, but now with how other sites are going, I should probably consider going there regularly to see what’s what

            it’s gotta be better than reddit, right? at least in terms of real people behind the accounts?

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              Not worth it.

              It’s almost the absolute worst of humanity made anonymous and public. “Almost” is only there because they will delete blatantly illegal content like cp, but anything else goes. Overt racism becomes normalized because people engage with it so it keeps getting bumped to the top. Some legitimately mean it, some are just trolling for the lolz, but either way it desensitizes people and normalizes the view.

              Repeat for any other kind of bigotry or harmful view you can imagine.

              In terms of real people behind the accounts

              One of the defining features of 4chan is the lack of accounts. Most posts are anonymous. Even harder to tell if someone is human or bot when you can instantly just roll a new anon ID.

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                yeah I don’t mean browsing I just mean when something happens to go check out there instead of elsewhere that has no info yet

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                  You understand that people on 4chan make stuff up when breaking news happens? It’s a time honored tradition to find a random picture of a trans woman every time a school shooting happens and say it is her. You’re doing the equivalent of going to Stormfront or Alex Jones for breaking news.

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                  gonna be honest, it’s not usually worth being on the bleeding edge or whatever the kids are calling it of info if you have to go to 4chan. take a nap, let your blood pressure drop, and then go back to your usual reliable sources.

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              It’s way worse than reddit. It is trolls trolling the cesspool. It just so happens that thanks to no filters, 4chan breaks news faster than anyone. They had all the Charlie kirk videos before anyone and the news of his shooters capture too. They knew world cup hosts and all about Luigi hehe anyone. Celebrity scandals and political victories too.

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    Lol the FBI is worried that people might leak shit they’re doing, so they gotta scare off Anonymous.

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    And certain accounts in certain places known to be Epstein accounts are mysteriously active…

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    I’ve been getting the impression lately that 4chan has been a platform where the rich, or someone paid by them, uses snippets of truthful information baked into outlandish stories to obfuscate their ongoings behind a narrative of easily dismissible conspiracy. Like feeding the pigs carrots, so their shit smells of shit and carrots, and now everyone avoids carrots as a byproduct of it’s association with shit.

    What are the odds this is just more of that? They may speak on Epstein’s death before it’s reported for credibility, then misuse that credibility to obfuscate the truth further. The FBI could have been in the dark, hence their investigation, but they could have also been steered away from making any conclusions on the matter.