• mechoman444@lemmy.world
    15·
    2 days ago

    Idk man, my electricity bill doesn’t care whether the data center powering ChatGPT was “speculatively built” or not. 500 million people actively using these tools daily is not fake demand, that’s just… demand. The money flowing into infrastructure is large and fast and messy, sure, but acting like the entire thing is vapor because the ROI timeline is uncertain is the same logic people used to say Amazon was a scam in 2001. Sometimes the buildout comes before the profit model and that’s just how new infrastructure works. The RAM price sucks though, not gonna lie.

    • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      Electricity bills have already been increasing heavily around AI datacenters. I read an article about a place in the Netherlands where they can’t build any more houses at the moment because they’re building a datacenter that is going to take that electricity.

      • mechoman444@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 days ago

        Aside from driving profits through demand for LLM use, these data centers are an environmental disaster.

        The scale of these facilities is insane. A flagship LLM model can require around 1 TB of RAM to run effectively. A mid-tier model may need roughly 140 GB. In contrast, a top-end gaming PC typically needs 64 GB at most, and the vast majority of systems function perfectly well with 16 GB.

        I was simply pointing out that these massive data centers exist because that demand exists.

  • thehairguy@lemmy.zip
    15·
    2 days ago

    Is that mobo generated? Never seen a cpu, memory, and pci lanes laid out like that, I’ve normally seen ram slots perpendicular to the lanes.

    • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
      1·
      23 hours ago

      Yes, there’s a lot of AI users, who either hate how corpos use it (sometimes arguing that corpos are responsible for the slop problem), while others are trolling by replacing images in anti-AI memes with AI generated ones, often as an attempt to normalize their use.

    • Rubanski@discuss.tchncs.de
      9·
      18 hours ago

      Pretty positive that it’s AI generated. The markings are wobbly (like those random dots at the bottom of the ram) and the caps are pretty askew . Doesn’t look like normal compression artifacts

      Edit: also it seems there are two ram sticks but he’s pinching both at the same time

  • CosmoNova@lemmy.world
    481·
    3 days ago

    It gets worse. Companies like OpenAI ordered much more than they needed with money they don‘t have just so other companies couldn‘t order them. The world is just upside down every since they shot to gorilla.

      • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
        4·
        2 days ago

        That’s the problem, too many real humans on Facebook. With more RAM Zuck can achieve its goal of an ideal community of bots endlessly commenting on their own material. A glorious utopia powered by silicon rather than carbon, and like Zuck itself, feigning the existence of emotions it cannot comprehend. Soulless lucidity.

          • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
            1·
            2 days ago

            I’d argue the opposite. Meta caters to the kinds of people that want to believe in a specific worldview. It didn’t brainwash people into becoming bigots, racists, misogynists, fascists, and haters, it just gave them a platform where they could say things in a curated social circle and not suffer the consequences that might occur if they said it in public. Gradually they realized there were a lot like them in the world and networked. The worst of them banded together and became real world threats like Proud Boys and Oathkeepers, but the vast majority still won’t take the risk and don’t do anything other than vote for candidates who promise to make their online fantasy a real one. New medium, same bigotry that has always existed in America. If social media disappeared today it wouldn’t prevent haters from hating, it would at best simmer it until they found a new means of connecting because now they know their vitriol is shared by many.

            • Man_kind@sh.itjust.works
              3·
              2 days ago

              You’re wrong. Many people are impressionable. Some are not. Those that are, the algorithm knows who they are. Especially young people. So it shows them things to brainwash them with. Make them think some groups are bad people, by what they show them. The people they know this won’t work with, they just show them what they want to see, and let that bounce around their echo chamber.

              But they wont let certain things be seen by the people they are successfully brainwashing.

              Musk didnt spend 44 billion to buy twitter for no reason. Paramount isn’t in a mountain of debt because brainwashing doesnt work.

              Everyone on instagram is being brainwashed. But also being shown what they want to see, and given the illusion they are seeing everything they want to see. Its a trick. Its effective. People are fucking stupid to use the psyops weapons maga controls.

              • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today
                1·
                2 days ago

                Musk bought Twitter after it became obvious social media was amplifying existing rage and the value of continuing to weaponize that anger for politics, social division, tribalism, and controlling the narrative. But again, this is nothing new. Rush was doing that in the 90s, newspapers were doing it before that. 4chan and Stormfront have been hotbeds for hate that predate Facebook, and there were hate forums and Angelfire/Geocities before that. Aryan Nations were having parades in the 90s, Rodney King was getting beaten by cops, Matthew Shepherd was beaten and left to die on a fence. If the term incel had been around the Columbine Murderers would have defined angsty, Nazi-obsessed, white male loserdom turned violent.

                Modern social media normalized open bigotry that used to have to hide in the shadows. The people who own those sites definitely picked a side and choose to allow it (along with just enough dissent to keep the arguments rolling) because of revenue. Fighting with words online keeps both sides of the masses happy because they can get in their zings and hot takes and feel like they’ve won, when in reality there’s nothing gained, nothing lost, only words. Meanwhile the banter is filling Elon’s pockets and he’s looting the government while we bicker with some dude in Malaysia over Confederate Pride.

                People are impressionable, but they still have agency. They pick narratives that they’re comfortable with. There’s also never been a shortage of white, straight, Christian male privledge in America that never died, just steadily declined in functional importance until “your rights are being stolen by everyone not like you having rights” became a bankable campaign slogan. Combine that with twisted nostalgia for a peak America that never existed outside Hollywood concepts like “Leave It to Beaver” and you end up with Boomers making a desperate last stand for themselves and a generation of youth who think they missed out on something grand even though it never existed. You don’t need a psyop when allowing people to shamelessly indulge in tribalistic, entitled narcissism, you just have to give them a target to punch down at. Get them onboard with that and they’ll let you rob them blind while fighting tooth and nail to keep their overlords from getting taxed on their billions they’re making platforming their hate while they wait in line for the foodbank.

                The people like Zuck and Musk have a hand in what’s going on in this country, but they are not the source of it any more than Trump is. All of them are but the visible tumors of a cancer the left keeps trying to ignore. We share this country with a lot of people who choose to hate. Taking away their platforms and leaders is like cutting the tail off a rattlesnake. It’s still there, now you just don’t know where it is.

                • Man_kind@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  Yes, because he was already doing it before he bought it. Russian money and maga money was already paying influencers, getting data from Facebook and stuff, placing ads. You can make a video, and call it an ad, and pay meta to place that ad, to any demographic yoi want. So, they initially just used money to spread hate on these platforms, and then they outright bought them all.

                  Yes, many came out of the woodworks. Many narcissists people prone to be hateful. That obviously helps spread it, but it also shapes people. You raise people in a hateful world, they will be hateful. If you raise them in a loving generous kind world, then they are trusting and kind.

                  But there are always some people that are naturally hateful, and selfish, and greedy, and only care about themselves. The narcissists. And they will seek power, and try and spread hate.

    • smeg@infosec.pubEnglish
      9·
      2 days ago

      And the #1 of a bubble is that the institutions of society will not allow it to crash in a way that harms those investors - just the rest of us. When the bubble pops, I doubt prices will go down or the excess supply will be for sale.

      If they allow it to crash at all. They might artificially prop it up with government intervention, like they did in 2008-2010.

      • zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        English
        3·
        2 days ago

        Agree. They would rather destroy working equipment instead of lowering the prices. Unless there is competition. So expect no price cuts from Nvidia. Everything else will be tried to sell to gain advantage.

  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
    28·
    3 days ago

    Why is the dollar worth less every year?

    I dunno, but just to be safe we should pretend to print more money and buy more houses and land for our new AI data centers that we will close after the collapse, then we will refinance for pennies on the dollar with the money that doesn’t exist.

    Never fear, we’re safe, gentle proles! We will get loans from the FED because we’re too big to fail. We will then pay it back with money worth significantly less, of which you personally make a little bit less of every year by the way coincidentally.

    Sorry, I don’t make the rules

    • FiniteBanjo@feddit.onlineEnglish
      8·
      3 days ago

      Honestly not sure why the USA banks haven’t let the Government default, yet. It sort og shows they actually still have faith in the Trump administration.

      • theneverfox@pawb.socialEnglish
        21·
        2 days ago

        If the US defaults, America as an empire collapses. It could be as small a deal as a massive period of restructuring, or it could mean the death of billions and the end of modern life

        It sure as hell won’t be a better world for the banks though, they’ll invent new types of math to keep the game going a little longer

        • FiniteBanjo@feddit.onlineEnglish
          22·
          2 days ago

          1. There is no America as an Empire.

          2. It would be no different than an extra difficult government shutdown. I predict that the government would be forced to start selling off properties to run the IRS and make settlements with the banks.

      • Strider@lemmy.world
        2·
        2 days ago

        Europe could also let the USA bonds default…

        Edit: apologies if the wording is not correct, I am not a financial expert or know too much about this topic. The point being, the dependency is there.

        • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
          2·
          2 days ago

          No. Default is when the bond issuer doesn’t pay interest.

          The US government can let the bonds default by not paying. This can be by not issuing new debt (or getting the fed to print more money).

        • FiniteBanjo@feddit.onlineEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          That harms USD Value not so much government operations, so in a roundabout way it actually makes the US Debt slightly less from a pure value perspective. The USA system is such: Government Deficit equates to Loans taken out from US Banks, meaning $38.876 Trillion USD is owed from USA Federal Government to the US Banks.

          Meanwhile, more about bonds, between $2.3 and $3 Trillion USD worth of bonds gets issued inside and outside the USA every year for the past 30 years (bonds fulfill in either 15 to 30 years) so if every nation on earth (and their citizens) and the US Citizens suddenly traded in their bonds all at once then it could cause a lot of headaches for the US state but at the end of the day as long as US Banks are willing to loan them cash then it has infinite money.

  • DisgruntledPelican@lemmy.world
    555·
    2 days ago

    Meanwhile. Microslop will soon release windows 12. 90% of the computer in the world will need to be updated to barely run an ai booted os.

    • The Velour Fog @lemmy.world
      171·
      3 days ago

      The article that came out about Win12 was retracted for being completely fabricated, due to what appears to be a mistake in translation (possibly involving an AI translator) from German to English.

      I’m not defending Microslop in any shape or form, tbh I’m sure somehow they are gonna make Windows 12 even worse than 11. But yeah, the original info about Win12 was speculation that got lost in translation.

      • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
        2·
        23 hours ago

        ^

        As proud as we are, Lemmy isn’t immune from the misinformation epidemic. My experience is we just drive by, upvote, and internalize a headline’s claim without much skepticism, kind of like Reddit, and we largely don’t seem to want to do anything about it.

    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
      2·
      2 days ago

      What does AI-booted mean? The boot process is deterministic. Why does it need AI?

      I don’t want my bootloader to be creative or generate novel outputs. I want it to boot quickly, reliably, and the same way every time unless I change something I probably wasn’t supposed to.

      What part of that could AI even be conceivably inserted into?

      “Initializing gobbledygook— not just a process, but a the first of many processes which will activate in sequence to bring your computer from powered-down to ready-to-use! Beep boop.”