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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 days ago

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 2 days ago
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  • Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world
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    Doesn’t this apply to almost every country?

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      certainly true for capitalist ones

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria#Sexual_predation

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          Allegations from Montefiore famous for lying about having access to unreleased Soviet archives, being a rabid anti-communist and being best friends with Ghislaine Maxwell. Certainly not the most reliable source.

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          You’re not wrong like

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            no, he’s actually both wrong and dishonest in making a false equivalence there

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              That’s rich being accused of whataboutism by you 😅

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                That’s not what whataboutism is, and even when used correctly, it’s often done in bad faith.

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                  Looks like we have another expert in whataboutism here 🤡

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                    This is the most Elon Musk-coded shit

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                    I’m not judging or anything, but are you just a masochist by any chance? That would explain a lot of your behavior here at least.

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                when you definitely know what false equivalence is 🤣

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          Oh look, on of my favorite trolls crawls out of his hole again after long slumber. Last I checked, Beria was executed while your oligarchs continue to be untouchable. Thank your for providing us with a concrete example of the Soviet system being superior.

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            Not to mention main source about Beria is Montefiore who also is in the Epstein files, always projection, always

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              You really gotta love how anarchists see themselves as the ultimate free thinkers, but their views just always happen to be whatever propaganda the pedo elites are putting out. Weird that.

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            Last I checked, Epstein also ended up dying prematurely, while Stalin continued to be untouchable (who btw. married a 14 year old).

            Thank you for providing us with an concrete example of all states being the the same shit.

            Edit: Ok, apparently Stalin’s second wife was 18 when they married (he was 40 at the time). Sounds like he waited until it was formally legal to do so…

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              zionist montefiore probably has a totally nuanced perspective to write a biography about stalin, no doubt!

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              Thank you for providing us with an concrete example of all states being the the same shit.

              You’ve been so blackpilled by capitalist realism that you think it makes you enlightened. It’s a form of self-reinforcing learned helplessness.

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              Stalin’s first wife, Ekaterina Svanidze, was 21 years old when they married in 1906. His second wife, Nadezhda Alliluyeva, was 18 years old at the time of their marriage in 1919.

              More Montefiore nonsense no doubt.

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                Ok, I stand corrected about Stalin not being a totally upstanding person of 40 years old when he married his second wife that just barely turned 18 🙄

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                  Yet still not a pedophile as you were trying to say. Almost like you have an agenda you really want to push. One that really coincides with that of the Epstein alliance.

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                    Most of the victims of Epstein were also around 18 years old.

                    Almost like you are coming to the defense of convicted rapists like Beria.

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                  This is just silly. Keep moving the goalposts further and further from the founding, child-raping slavers.

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                    deleted by creator

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              Epstein was just a harem manager for the rich fucks who continue to run around completely unaccountable. Meanwhile, others already pointed out your attempts to spread misinformation here. I guess carrying water for the empire by trying to do the whole both sides bad is really the core identity for anarchists.

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          And now I remember why I have you tagged as a defender of Rhodesia.

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            Right, because I stated historically accurate facts 🤡 Just like I did here. Lemmy.ml users are such a joke.

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              Any time you see someone claim they were “just stating facts” you can guarantee they are saying complete nonsense

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      projecting lol

      Americans are always amazed that different countries have different histories.

      I’ve heard similar things about “aren’t all countries founded on native genocide?”

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        Ok tell me about the country with the moral founding.

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          This silly, idealist question isn’t the gotcha you think it is.

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            Actually it’s pretty foundational anarchist doctrine.

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              You’re bolstering my case, given anarchism’s track record. Communism is founded on historical materialism, not on morality or idealism.

              But you don’t have to subscribe to communism to get value out of letting go of moralism.

              • 📖 The Moral Fool: A Case for Amorality
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                • Why Sam Harris is Wrong - A Critique of Sam Harris’ “The Moral Landscape”
                • If Morality Exists Everything Is Permitted. (Q&A)
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                Cool nobody asked.

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                  just because you lack any inquisitiveness on your part, don’t assume the same for everyone else

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              Idealism?

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                I guess?

                But I was referring to the innate immorality of the state.

                But I won’t deny a certain amount of idealism is required to be an anarchist.

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                  Are you sure you understand what idealism means in this context?

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                    I’ll assume the typical leftist political context of it’s use implying an ‘aspirational’ view of my fellow humans they would often fall short of due to material concerns.

                    But? Nah who would ever claim certainty in this type of casual anonymous interlingual forum?

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                  Just to be clear, by idealism we mean the conception that thought is prior to matter, ie supernatural explanations for material phenomena. We do not mean having ideals. An example of idealism is ascribing a morality to the state to begin with. There is no such thing as a supernatural “good or evil,” and that’s why Marxists reject such frames of argument.

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              Christianity is anarchist doctrine?

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                Christianity is whatever we want it to be.

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          Founded by capitalists that kept children as sex slaves — Doesn’t this apply to almost every country?

          Ok tell me about the country with the moral founding.

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          Vietnam.

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          Ireland?

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            Ballyseedy massacre etc.

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            Ireland is a bourgeois democracy, otherwise known as a bourgeois dictatorship.

            https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:The_German_ideology#Ruling_class_and_ruling_ideas

            The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas.

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            The world’s tax haven now but I’ll go with ya for a cool thousand years.

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      Does that make it ok?

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