Case was seen as major test of the first amendment and whether the US could use broad anti-terrorism statute to prosecute leftwing protesters

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    If they are going to process you as terrorist anyway, then you might as well make moves that are worthy of the label. After all the only real difference between a freedom fighter and terrorist is the narrative.

        • raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
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          Well akshually - as a German who paid attention in history class:

          1. killing Nazis was an act of necessary self-defense to accomplish anything. A precondition, if you will
          2. what worked out pretty well was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan and especially the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification - I will be forever grateful to the Allied Forces for getting this right. It made Germany the least fascist nation in Europe for well over 60 years.

          The long lasting effects were not permanent, unfortunately. I might like to ask for another allied victory over Nazi Germany soonish, with a new Denazification. Except there are no “Allied Forces” left that stand against Nazism :( And I am not trying to be dramatic, this is actually fucking with me for the past 10 years or so.

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              The problem is your country got nukes and the largest conventional military in the world - we couldn’t help you out even if we wanted to. :(

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                There might be an opportunity after we blow through the missiles and drones over the next few years if a debt crisis wrecks our economy.

                Not holding my breath, but the future is uncertain.

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    Mark Pittman, a US district judge nominated to the federal bench by Donald Trump in 2019, appeared to gesture at the irrelevance of antifa in the closing moments of the trial, asking prosecutors why he should mention it in his instructions to the jury, underlining the gap between the emphasis on antifa and the technicality of the criminal charges they faced. “Whether it’s antifa or the Methodist Women’s Auxiliary of Weatherford, why does it matter?” Pittman said.

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    This is a big big fucking deal and big hit to freedom here.

    I can hardly believe this outcome.

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      Every other day it’s something that’s a HUGE HUGE HUGE fucking deal. It’s done, the frog is boiled. Violent rebellion or accept fascism, choose one.

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      First skin ‘im. Then drag through the salty sand out into that salty gulf.

      Of course I don’t approve of violence. But if you’re going to do something, do it right.

      Edit: all things just harmless shit talking of course.

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    A police officer arrived on the scene shortly after and drew his weapon at one of the people allegedly doing vandalism. One of the protesters was standing in the woods with an AR-15 and hit him in the shoulder. The officer would survive.

    Even this conviction is bullshit. The cop drew first. Song shot in defense of others.

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      The standards of ROE they hold fucking police officers to is absolutely fucked. They draw their weapons at the drop of a hat and fucking POINT a weapon at unarmed people all the fucking time. The second weapon safety rule is to NEVER point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. IN A FUCKING WAR ZONE, a mfer could be cursing at you with a goddamn AK pointed at you and ROE say you still aren’t justified to engage. If a cop points a weapon directly at someone, that establishes intent by basic-ass weapons safety rules that these jackasses are supposed to be trained in. Charge all cops with attempted murder that point weapons at unarmed people. And I mean that unironically, pass a law and everything. They can’t keep getting away with escalating all these situations so fucking often that people feel the need to arm themselves and put on body armor just in case they run across a cop. And if these baby-bitch cops can’t be trusted with firearms, how about we take their fucking guns and arm minorities instead. At least minorities in America actually have a reason to fear for their lives enough to arm themselves.

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    This is now going to be imposed nationwide. It’s inevitable at this point. And don’t blather on about We The People rising up in revolution. That’s impossible in a postindustrial society.

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    Meanwhile pro-ICE protester/influencer Jake Lang got caught trying to pick up what he thought was a 15 year old girl.

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      And all those concentration camps they’re building aren’t just for immigrants.

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          Yeah, if they were “just for immigrants” they wouldn’t be any less bad. They’re horror made real either way, which is the main reoccurring reality of what’s happening.

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    The prosecutor said, “They’re here because they ambushed a cop.” WTF?!?! Well then, on Jan 6th a mob of fucking MAGA terrorists ambushed a lot of police officers.