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So, it’s all going to plan then?
No shit. LLMs are the anti-thesis of education. The basis of which is hands on practice. Using a glorified autocomplete-my-assignments should be barred from education without exception.
This is the tip of the iceberg. The world is facing a critical collapse of profession. We’re nearing a point that was foretold ins sci-fi where humans no longer understand how the machine works.Just that they can use it and it works.
Except sci-fi was too optimistic. Science fiction has actual AGI. We have glorified autocomplete. A non-intelligence.
This is worse than that too, we’re already at a point where most people don’t understand how the machine works… But overuse of AI is going to make it so that most people don’t know how to do simple tasks that everybody used to know. They’ll be non-functional without an internet connection.
it’s the equivalent of trying become a marathon running while you sit on your ass on the couch and and flying FPV drone for your ‘training’ and saying it’s the same thing.
If the students don’t want to learn, then it’s better that they don’t learn. They shouldn’t be forced to learn.
Can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or just don’t understand how fragile democracies are
democracies are stabilized through the workforce: people work and gain power that way. it’s not possible to shit on workers if they’re needed. if there’s ever a mass unemployment, that’s when you can expect democracy to crumble. i believe it has surprisingly little to do with schooling, actually.
I cannot imagine being comfortable with a democracy of dumbasses.
Isn’t the whole reason we know global warming is a problem because of academics?
Mandatory education. It is your moral obligation to not be stupid.
Isn’t the whole reason we know global warming is a problem because of academics?
The funny thing is, academics did make the world aware that global warming was a problem but all the fearmongering did nothing to actually solve the problem.
What did solve the problem, however, was China subsidizing solar energy for 20 years to make it economically viable and cheap enough for the rest of the world to install it. And i guess they did so not for climate protection reasons, but for reasons such as energy independence, energy security, jobs programs, etc.
What did solve the problem, however, was China subsidizing solar energy for 20 years
But how do you get here without people being intelligent?
I could tell you that incentive structures and power dynamics have to allow a good solution to materialize before it can, but an uneducated person couldn’t.
It is absolutely possible to ‘shit on workers if they’re needed’, you do it by reducing their education, and their ability to think critically, until you canmore easily manipulate them into voting and acting against their own interests. For an informative example, look to the USA over the last few decades, and how that’s turned out.
From the manipulators point of view, the best part of it is that as people get less and less used to actually critically assessing what they’re told, they start to resent those who do, and that turns to anti-intelectualism and rejecting the science they’re told to reject, thys reinforcing their own subjegation.
But education is law in countless countries. At least at some level.
A huge part is the tools they’re using to “detect” AI use. My sister in law fought with Grammarly, which she was required to pay for and use by the school, to prove her paper wasn’t written by AI.
She spent twenty hours trying to “de-ai” a paper that wasn’t written by AI. The only things that worked were using bad grammar and poor sentence structure. The class was pass/fail, and probably for that reason.
Of course. If you stop thinking about complicated things, what do you except to happen after some time?
I’d say that social media platforms opened that door a long time a go. A bunch of people telling others what’s cool, what “truth” is being hidden from you, click here for the “fact” you won’t believe, how to do anything but actually think critically about what you’re presented with. People search social media for answers before they look at wikipedia, forget considering a summary from actual scientific sites.
Coupled with algorithms pushing tailored engagement bait over boring facts and AI just wraps it all up in a top search result shoehorned above 10 “Sponsored” links and SEO garbage, there’s no room for boring old critical thought and truth anymore.
in India, it’s common to pay someone to take exams. congratulations Doctor
So much ai slop in the professional world too
I got my first obviously AI email from a boss recently. The tone didn’t match his normal cadence of writing, it was sterile, repetitive, and could have really been summed up as, “Do you have additional information about item X that can help explain this to our customer?”
It was three paragraphs long.
So, I was wondering, will you reply efficiently with your own words or, in order for them to learn to respect your time, will you use AI to reply?
I walked into his office and answered verbally, lol.
That’s even more efficient =)
yea i heard research papers are plagued with them, and it already adds into the slop that is being produced otherwise by professors prior to AI, low quality slop just to get thier CV looking more robust for employers, and now with AI its even worst. back in the 2010s, a college oral talk, one of the presenters to the PHD person doing the talk think it is so "successful " that you have to write dozens of papers just to get hired a research company/university(40+ papers), how much of those 40+ are just slop/fluff pieces and not something new.
Having to add AI to the products I work on is destroying my ability to think.
Then fail them. Oh, that would look bad? The "system "won’t allow it? Remind me, what’s your fucking job again?
BINGO!
what they’re doing to push back against the tech.
Classify it as a cheating tool.
Works in theory, but not in practice, as there are no tools that can tell 100% reliably if something was written by AI. Best way IMO to test students is via oral exams. Let them explain certain things and topics they allegedly wrote about in their thesis; that way you can quickly see who actually bothered to learn and understand and not only let their thesis write by AI.
There was this cool initiative by a professor who is a friend of mine. He would give a pretty standard homework, but then the additional instructions were to complete said homework using an LLM. Then, the students would have to write, by hand, an analysis of all that the LLM got wrong, or could’ve done better. They then proceeded to discuss their analysis in class. Participating in the discussion with actual meaningful arguments was half of the points, the other half being the quality of the handwritten analysis.
It was more work, but at least the fuckers quickly appreciated that the machine was actually shit at doing their homework, and even if it could pass, it would be with the bare minimum. It also pruned the students who actually wanted to learn from the slackers who were just wasting their parent’s money.
I was with you up to the writing by hand part.
They should bring back oral exams and blue books.
This is it. Stop it with these take-home test. Homework was always bullshit.
But then professors and teachers would have to think themselves instead of regurgitating the same lesson plan and worksheets from two decades ago
Hot take incoming: good public school teachers are criminally underpaid. Most teachers are paid exactly what they’re worth.
It’s also important for parents to genuinly take an interest in their children’s education. Help them understand why we don’t use AI for school-work. And be there for them when they need help so they don’t have to resort to AI when it feels hopeless.
I remember a study we all read when I was working as a sub teacher. Ages 7 - 12. How much time does an average parent spend talking to their child on an average day. Giving commands is not talking for the purpose of the study.
5 minutes. It was 5-6 minutes. It explains a lot doesn’t it.
There are plenty of negligent parents out there, but also plenty who don’t have the time because they gotta pay those bills that crept up on them, especially in this economy.
They are fine with cheating as long as you are using microsoft peoducts.
My uni gives everyone multiple chatbot accounts. (Paid by our tuition money no doubt)
Also all programming general events since I became a student have been “Make app for X purposes but with AI in it.”
I seen a TA open up their grok history when I asked why my answer to an exam question was wrong.
Universities don’t actually give shit about “academic integrity,” they simply want to buy bunch of microsoft products and call it a day.
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Recently had one professor try a “group exam” and worked with people requiring chatgpt to do “that one recursive fibonacci assignment.”
I think I have changed as a person.they only care about the cash cow, aka freshmans who are coming in every semesters, everyone else is on thier own, especially with career track development very underuitilized in state schools.
But their ability to make Terminator-Robocop porn in under an hour is unmatched
The kids who were 12 when the pandemic happened are now 18 and will be having their own kids soon.
Fuck im old.
and will be having their own kids soon
that’s a stretch. iirc people have kids at 32 these days
It seems like a huge pervasive part of modern culture is that success and fortune equal never having to get your hands dirty, never worry about the details, and never learning to figure shit out because you can just pay somebody else to do it (or ask the “AI” to).
Obviously some amount of specialization and delegation is good. That’s how you get a society.
But to just exist passively is something else. It’s bad for us, and I don’t mean that as a moral judgment. Nobody needs certain skills to justify their existence. I mean it in the clinical sense, like that you can be sedentary with more than just your physical body.
My professor said that about “Ren and Stimpy” back in the day.
The professor doesn’t understand the difference between correlation and causation. Lead destroyed his ability to think.
Did ren and stimpy do the whole work for you? I think not! Neither did cow and the chicken and that red devil guy with a shiny ass. We had to do all of that by ourselved with books and scraps and a pencil.
