Is some idiot trying to outlaw medical equipment in the States?
Mayor of New York
I thought he was trying to reinstate a pre-Covid ban and it has exceptions for wearing masks for medical reasons?
It’s not just about the disabled person, but anyone who lives with them needs to be wearing masks in public places because if they get sick it’s pretty hard to avoid spreading at home.
Medical exemptions have never been good enough.
I mean that whole idea is stupid. I’m still wearing masks on occasion. I don’t want to spread my mild flu to all the coworkers in the office, crowded train etc… I think we should do it like in some asian countries, where you’d just stop the flu spreading to some degree. Since you can’t stay at home all the time and that’s kind of contagious…
And the only benefit is that some dystopian total video surveillance keeps working…
Super stupid. Most everyone who wears a mask wears it for medical reasons. It’s none of our business whether they’re disabled or just don’t want to catch/spread a cold. It’s not even our business if they’re wearing it for non-medical reasons- I’m sometimes more comfortable in public in a mask and sunglasses so I don’t have to autism-mask as much.
I mean, masks are medical devices. That’s kinda what they’re for. Banning them is just supporting the disease.
Sounds like a good case for Work From Home more than anything
Thx. Seems I’m not too bad off, not following the news that closely… 😔
North Carolina already passed the law.
https://apnews.com/article/masks-ban-north-carolina-campus-protests-128a6aa32a4c832faa83befb2e7dd77e
Nice… Using a law that was meant for the Ku Klux Klan to repress democratic routine and freedom. At least that one seems to be targeted at protests and not all every day life. And it contains exemptions. I’m just not sure if “we want to film the faces of everyone who doesn’t agree with us” is a valid reason in a democracy. At least not on it’s own and if there isn’t some good reason to do it.
At least that one seems to be targeted at protests
You’re celebrating that, rather than accidentally targeting immunocompromised people, it deliberately targets people exercising their constitutional right to dissent?
Btw, like with abortion, any exemptions a GOP ban has will just be a fig leaf for the complicit media that’s not going to be in effect in the vast majority of cases.
??? I’m not celebrating that. I’m saying it’s “better” to target immunocompromised people the two times a year they go to a protest, than to target them every day in their daily lives. You could as well also ban them from protecting themselves in the supermarket or in the subway. And make their lives completely miserable. Going to protests happens more rarely, so it has lesser impact. But no. It’s totally not good or acceptable either.
It’s going to affect immunocompromised people every day of the year regardless, whether it’s supposed to or not.
Infectious disease doesn’t take a break because the cops “need” to identify “troublemakers” with their Orwellian spying on blameless people.
Besides, making it unsafe for everyone who ever participates in a protest to be around anyone who’s immunocompromised is a whole new level of oppression!
I think we’re talking at cross purposes… I 100% share your perspective. Same for me: Don’t throw sick people under the bus. In fact, don’t throw anyone under the bus. Don’t cut down on freedom and democracy. Don’t turn it into a total surveillance state just because you’re a politician and took Orwell as an instruction manual.
Fair enough heh. You have yourself a nice day 🙂
My concern is the application of it. They could see three people in a crowd wearing masks who are legitimately needing to wear a mask and then arrest them saying the crowd was an impromptu protest or illegal gathering and they can then apply that new law to them.
Sure. Wording and implementing a law, applying it, and the original (pretend) idea of what it’s going to solve are two things. But if you can slip into an illegal gathering by accident, we have yet another problem and those laws aren’t well-defined. I mean that’s caprice. And we’re supposed to live in a democracy, not depotism. So it’s wrong either way.
Clearly not what they were saying. You went out of your way to draw that conclusion.
Not really, no. Read my subsequent response to their poorly thought out reply for more information.
Of course, your reply was very well thought out.
Yes, it was. Now leave me alone before you start your nonsense on me again.
Yeah, that person wasn’t smart enough to connect those dots on purpose. It was clearly an accident.
Lol what a bunch of reactionary hicks
The law allows people to wear medical or surgical-grade masks in public to prevent the spread of illness. Law enforcement and property owners can ask people to temporarily remove those masks to verify their identity.
Am I missing something, it looks like this law allows medical masks.
The problem is that law enforcement doesn’t do nuance like that. You know full well they will tear masks right off of disabled/immunocompromised people’s faces (probably wrecking the mask forever) and point to the law as an excuse.
There’s no good reason to ban masks in general. The Healthcare CEO shooter wore a mask during the crime but the police still caught him.
but the police still caught him.
Allegedly…
Ah yes, certainly this will never ever be abused by law enforcement ever.
Victoria government in Australia
It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.
High risk individuals rely on others wearing their mask to protect them from infection. Those people will effectively be relegated to their homes through the virus season if they want to remain safe. Hopefully they have the money to pay for deliveries for the season.
The reason they want you to not wear masks is, facial recognition that is literally everywhere doesn’t work if your masked. You can help protect the vulnerable and yourself from invasive tracking with this one simple trick.
That may be a side effect but it’s not the reason.
The reason is that they don’t want to be told what to do by the government. They want to use the government to tell other people what to do.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
This is about wielding power.
Just to pile on to that thought, it’s also a wedge issue that makes stupid people very angry, and angry people are motivated to be politically active. They will shout down reasonable people, commit acts of violence, and vote in reliable numbers. Polite society tends to avoid political debate, in part because the angry morons show up to disrupt the quiet.
Government: “wear a mask to protect others”
Conservatives: “Nuh uh! You can’t tell me what to do! Hurr durr honk honk muh freedumbs!!”
Government: “wearing a mask is strictly prohibited”
Conservatives: “As you wish, my sire, whose boot shall I lick?”
facial recognition that is literally everywhere doesn’t work if your masked.
Afaik that’s illegal within the EU. Also, there’s more than just facial recognition. They can even learn the way you walk.
Yeah there is way more digital human recognition going on than we all like to acknowledge here in the states.
I must admit I’m super jealous of you Europeans. I’m very happy that you ladies and gents over there have a more formed and functional governance and your not yet in our predicament.
Watching a documentary of the first peoples of Ireland and wish I could be there instead of here right now.
The EU can be extremely bipolar unfortunately, see the chat control debate currently. I’m actually surprised with how many decent shit gets through sometimes, considering how most of the EU parliaments are mostly made up of conservatives or worse.
Just be thankful that your right wing is the equivalent of our left wing here in the states. We don’t even have a left wing, just right and batshit crazy. I do follow as much European news as I can and I do see we are exporting our specific brand of batshit. I hope it never gets its footing.
The reason I don’t want you to wear masks is I don’t like being surrounded by faces I can’t read.
Yep I’ve had a cold all last week and have been masking up for my grocery runs. It’s just about being a decent human being.
The people who ban masks are so self centered that they think a masked person assumes that they are sick, or dirty. They never even comprehend that it might be to help them, because they don’t understand helping people
It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.
While this is generally true, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that a properly-fitted respirator provides very good protection. Even more so if it’s an elastomeric with P100 filters (99.97% PFE with absurdly high fit factors).
But…
You’re absolutely right, if everyone would consistently wear at least an earloop respirator like a KF94 or KN95 — even if the quality is a bit sketchy and even if the fit is less than ideal — that would cut down on viral particulate emissions a great deal and task your own respirator with orders of magnitude less particulate to filter out.
I wear a P100 because I can’t trust my fellow Americans to wear so much as a scarf.
It’s important to note that the mask is far more effective in stopping the wearer from transmitting a virus than it is in stopping the wearer from contracting a virus.
It’s more effective for others to wear them than for you to wear them. But it is still beneficial to wear a mask outside when you’re at risk of contagion, assuming you pair it with hand sanitizer and other preventative measures.
Those people will effectively be relegated to their homes through the virus season if they want to remain safe.
At some point, telling people not to leave their homes if they want any kind of safety, but denying them access to medical equipment because it makes you feel unsafe only serves to deflect responsibility from the able-bodied to the vulnerable.
It would be like telling people in wheelchairs that ramps make me feel clumsy so you just shouldn’t leave your house if you want full mobility.
Exactly. I find it strange that someone who’s immune system is compromised to the point where a ‘common cold’ can kill them has been just hanging out in public and it’s only a problem now. Masks weren’t invented in 2020. Op is likely farming Internet points.
I’ve had a compromised immune system before. Going out in public and trusting a mask to protect me would be like wearing safety goggles when you jump into a wood chipper.
An N95 mask protects the wearer too.
It does, and you should wear it. But if you are immunocompromised (like me) you also need to protect your eyes, and wash your clothes, skin, and hair following a trip out in public. The days when people were wearing masks were wonderful.
All true! But it’s not all-or-nothing either - reducing the viral load of the initial infection actually reduces the severity of the symptoms by reducing the load on the immune system. An infection picked up from clothes will be much less severe than one directly inhaled into the lungs.
Sometimes going out in public is necessary, such as to the doctor, or to get food if there’s not someone to help with that. And sometimes it requires passing through other public spaces, such as public transportation. A person can have no illusions about the degree to which masks help, but still depend on them because what else is there?
As the spouse and caregiver of a compromised person, I wear a KN95 anytime I go into a store or other indoor public space, to try to avoid catching and bringing home anything that might land him in the hospital again.
Yeah. Clearly, they should just stay inside their plastic bubbles and never see the sun so that the rest of us don’t have to worry about coughing in other people’s faces.
Anti-maskers are like 6 year olds throwing a tantrum because you’re making them eat broccoli.
More like because you’re eating broccoli.
If it’s a complete mask ban, then it’s more like they’re throwing a tantrum because you’re eating broccoli.
Those who oppose it for themselves during a pandemic are just children refusing to do their part to help others.
Those who oppose it for others are sex perverts. They oppose masks solely because they want to be able to see the faces of random people in the street so they can commit them to memory and later masturbate to them. Really they belong on the sex offender registry.
Umm… You should talk to someone.
Found the sex pervert!
Since you’re acting like a child, I don’t feel as silly saying this thought that came to mind while reading your absurd take:
“Takes one to know one!”
They know, they don’t care.
American individualist propaganda has a load of people believing they’re free to do whatever the fuck they like, and fuck anyone who tries to stop them.
Selflessness is a rejected concept to them, they will never productively participate in a community of people.
Individualism for me, fashion police for you!
if only there was some sort of word for a political movement that weaponized the trappings of individual liberties in the name of killing marginalized people. i do nazi myself thinking of one
damn you just made some gears spin in my head
I think capitalism promotes “individualism” because the alternative is selflessness which means more money spent for the greater good of society
It took a long time, but one day, the term “human capital” finally clicked in my head and I couldn’t stop mulling it over until I realized how insanely fucked up it is. What are the humans? Capital. What is the capital? Humans. Human. Capital. And we’re so blase about it.
Whatever the fuck I like includes wearing masks. Also dresses. Fight me.
Individual rights and selfishness are orthogonal. The idea that the only bad actions are illegal ones is the issue. We want to use laws to enforce ethics instead of community.
Stop talking about selflessness, start talking about selfishness, because wearing a mask is perfectly selfish. Yes it’s selfless, too, of course. But not wearing one isn’t selfish, it’s just dumb. If they were competent and proactive at selfishness they’d be aggressively demanding that everybody wear masks.
Seems like you could get this shit struck down by challenging it in court based on the ADA
not with republican filled courts lol
is this under the assumption that this isn’t the point? they’re fascists, getting rid of disabled people is on brand and purposeful.
reminder that the party of “death panels will kill your grandma if anyone gets affordable healthcare” actively called for the death of grandmas when they didn’t want to be inconvenienced by a piece of cloth over their mouth.
Not to mention it’s been private unaccountable death panels for grandma this whole time even before covid. They have it coming.
To be extra fair… They’ve been BY grandma for grandma.
The grandma vote wants this and is leaning into it.
They’ve been manipulated into this, sadly.
It’s true, but it doesn’t make me any more sympathetic or less bitter.
People in general are just not that sharp. Sometimes you get exactly what you ask for.
lets turn this around on them. they aren’t banning masks… they’re banning Halloween.
they’re trying to cancel Halloween! what’s next, Christmas?!
they aren’t banning masks… they’re banning Halloween.
I’m more than confident that the NYPD will make an exception for something that’s lucrative to Big Business. The issue is that medical masks outside of one day in October aren’t highly profitable, while CCTV cameras on every corner and AI facial recognition running across a thousand enormous data centers absolutely is.
Can’t justify the enormous state investment in spying if these high profile assassinations demonstrate the holes in the system. So we just make masks illegal (except on the one day when it makes businesses money) and tell people with weak immune systems to eat shit.
I’ll make an exception for police who aren’t in my field of vision to live.
Given the popularity of anti mask overlapping with fundamentalist they would ban Halloween. Possibility even Christmas as the only holiday we are authorized to celebrate is the Lord’s Day, Sunday.
It’s also permissible to celebrate the 4th of July when Jesus came down from Heaven with the Constitution on stone tablets and gave them to the founding fathers.
The mayor of NYC is talking about it because of Luigi. My brother in Christ, Luigi doesn’t care about your mask ban.
Ok, Mayor Adams, you’re in favor of a mask ban.
So anyway, back to what we were talking about, why haven’t you resigned despite being indicted for corruption and influence-peddling?
Just start coughing. NYC remembers 2020.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they were the kind of people to say that disabled people are a burden to society
Disabled people were some of the first German gas chamber victims.
Be me.
Have severe depression.
chuckles, I’m in danger
IIRC it was disabilities that resulted in institutionalizing. I mean, sure, your depression could be so bad it makes you suicidal - but the Nazis didn’t exactly have a problem with you killing yourself.
It was people with intellectual disabilities, physical disabilities, and disruptive mental disorders. Down Syndrome, Fragile x, quadriplegics, cystic fibrosis, schizophrenia, severe ASD, etc. Almost always things that have obvious changes to “normal” behavior, intellect, and appearance.
However, I will say the modern day list of disability has grown, and I would strongly suspect that if the Nazis of Germany could get their hands on modner medical records and purge far more things, they would not have hesitated to do so.
As a disabled person you’re spot on.
It’s the kind of people saying that disabled people should just “get on with their life” and stop “making everything about their disability”.
Like yeah sure Bradley, I would do that, if I could get on with my life because c*nts like you didn’t deny every attempt at making the world accessible. Maybe if people like you didn’t complain every time a cent was spent on an accessibility fund or on medical research I would actually be able to be getting on with my life.
But no, since we’re treated like shit I have to make “everything about my disability” just for my basic survival. Because if I don’t I’ll just be left in a ditch to starve.
Get on with your life = status quo worship
Who is banning masks?!?
Nassau County in NY state passed a law this summer https://www.nyclu.org/press-release/nassau-county-mask-ban-signed-into-law YES, there are exceptions for health, religious or cultural reasons BUT they’ve also used it as probable cause to search someone https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nassau-county-police-issue-first-face-mask-ban-violation/5741363/ (it doesn’t matter that he was found with a knife. My son wears a mask because he thinks his nose is ugly)
Fuckin’ shit-ass Nassau, of course they did.
I haven’t seen his nose, but I bet it’s bold and beautiful. I wish him luck on his mental health journey!
I know someone who wears one because a lifetime of depression caused them not to take care of their teeth, and so they don’t want to be judged even more poorly for that.
In the UK we have the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 section 60aa where the police are able to make anyone within an area remove a mask when a there is a large crowd and a senior cop decides to fill in the paperaorj. There has been a recent increase in its usage in the last 4-ish years.
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Wrong. There’s the governor of NY and also NC. https://apnews.com/article/masks-ban-north-carolina-campus-protests-128a6aa32a4c832faa83befb2e7dd77e
I mean, there were pushes to ban masks by republicans during the pandemic. And whenever the plebs get unruly and start protesting, local politicians start talking about banning masks so protestors (or anyone even near the protest) can be arrested even if they’re peaceful.
Banning masks only serves to increase the overreach of our surveillance state.
Ski Masks is my Religion
It is commandment one of the Church of the Holy Skiers that Ski Masks are a mandatory Religious Garmet. This is a blashphemy against my Religion! A clear violation of my first amendment rights!
The people who want this don’t want other religions either
what about schizo people like me who wish to hide their identity so as to not be clobbered by AI facial recognition software?
Remember that you’re not crazy for or alone in wanting that privacy. If I saw you shooting them out with a pellet gun then no, I didn’t.
i mean, yes you did, i would give you a pellet gun as well. It’s just that we wouldn’t talk about it outside of telepathy.
My sister said she loved not being told by random creepy dudes at the grocery store that she’d be prettier if she smiled more.
i think most people prefer not being told to be happier.
It’s like reverse psychology.
They need something like Invisalign, but they make your teeth appear to be in terrible condition. So, when says that you can smile and scare the shit out of them.
That’s called “American Healthcare” since it doesn’t include teeth.
the irony here being, that americans have impossibly good teeth, compared to other european nations…
It’s schizo to think this?! Being constantly surveilled is unreasonable search and seizure.
is it schizo? Objectively? No not really. As far as popular culture, am i schizo for not wanting to reveal my identity to anybody? Probably a little bit.
I would argue it may be a violation of unreasonable search, but definitely a violation of our right to privacy (that we should have).
Ah thanks for clarifying I was like wait I’m schizo?
I’d say the right to privacy would be covered under the right to not be searched without a warrant.
The facial recognition on every corner is an unreasonable search IMO and society has just accepted it? Morons with well I’ve got nothing to hide…
Ah thanks for clarifying I was like wait I’m schizo?
np, and just between the two of us, yeah you are :)
I’d say the right to privacy would be covered under the right to not be searched without a warrant.
it depends on the specifics i think, but from what i can understand the primary legal argument against it right now is actually “unreasonable search and seizure” and “illegal evidence collection” rather than, warrant specific things, though im sure that’s sort of adjacent.
The problem right now is that none of our laws explicitly protect things like forcing people to use face ID in order to unlock their phone, because it isn’t technically “extracting” information from someone unwillingly. Similar issues with collecting evidence from the trash, or using AI facial recognition. There just aren’t any clear laws, and the police are taking advantage of it while they can.
The facial recognition on every corner is an unreasonable search IMO and society has just accepted it? Morons with well I’ve got nothing to hide…
i think for facial recognition, i would argue it’s a violation of right to privacy, rather than unreasonable search and seizure, because they aren’t searching for anything, or seizing anything, necessarily. I think i would rather have stronger privacy laws after the fact anyway.
Also, facial recognition is mostly a problem with using cameras in public, rather than police using cameras in public, putting this under unreasonable search and seizure limits it to police activity explicitly, i would much rather not be facially recognized at all, when outside. Private entity, or not.
There is no right to privacy which is why I think it should fall under the right against unreasonable search and seizure. They’re using your face and searching it against a database for no reason other than treating everybody like they’re a criminal to comfort rich peoples fee fees.
You’re one of the reasons for the ban.
No kidding. While on the surface the bans are about medical masks, I’m sure there’s a surveillance motive as well.
NYC has an explicit ban on masks that conceal identities, as of a while ago now, unless that’s been repealed somehow.
It’s an idea, for sure.
I genuinely, seriously doubt it. I imagine its to keep MAGAts happy while completely fucking them over socio-economically.
It’s also so they can target people with facial recognition.
unfortunately, yes, fortunately for me, and other people, i’m still correct in this regard.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with wanting to obscure your identity, if there was the internet wouldn’t allow anonymity. People would be required to wear their government issued ID on their shirts. Etc.
This is clearly a proposition intended to remove anonymity from any future shooters in NYC.
You saw the camera footage. It’s as watched as CCTV in London, apparently.
Tell me about it…if you have certain less obvious disabilities, you are 100% screwed, even in a liberal society.
What?? Why, where and how are masks being banned? Like, face masks?
Yes, face masks. Republicans, largely, but some Democrats too.
Citing a flurry of protests on college campuses in recent months, GOP lawmakers in North Carolina last week overrode a veto by the state’s Democratic governor to ban mask wearing in public, with certain exceptions. As part of the new law, people may wear medical masks in public to prevent the spread of illness, but officers and property owners may ask people to remove their masks to verify their identity.
Republican Sen. Buck Newton, a supporter of the bill, said last month, “It’s about time that the craziness is … at least slowed down, if not put to a stop.”
it’s a great day to not live in the USA
One of those exceptions is a carveout for the KKK. Not even joking.
Not all Republicans are racist. But the GOP has a knack for doing racist shit.
