• Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    11
    ·
    edit-2
    18 hours ago

    The ADL: McDonalds Mascots and Cartoon Frogs are racist, just like drinking milk and the “Okay” gesture!

    Also The ADL: The Hitler Salute is cool and has never been a problem. If you have a problem with it, why are you trying to divide this country?

    It’s time to stop listening to the ADL, they refuse to be taken seriously.

  • NutWrench@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    4
    ·
    17 hours ago

    The ADL’s job used to be to protect Jewish people from discrimination. Now, it’s pretty obvious they exist to protect the policies of the Israeli government.

    So if your government is current engaged in a slaughter, who would rather have on your side in the U.S. government? An apartheid-loving fascist or someone who might actually criticize your actions?

  • nifty@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    23
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 day ago

    The ADL is likely giving a calculated response because of what happened last time Nazis took over a western country. It’s really sad that people are letting Nazis take over the US over what seems to be fear of AI and influx of immigrants from LatAm countries.

    Couple this Nazi bullshit with what the Trump admin said yesterday about Israel having a biblical right to the land in the West Bank, it’s clear the plan is to eventually “gently encourage” Jewish “immigration” from the U.S. to Israel. Because Nazis don’t have any principles per se, and people like that especially don’t care about the Bible. Sadly, it seems that American conservatives are essentially Nazis now.

    • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      22 hours ago

      The ADL is likely giving a calculated response because of what happened last time Nazis took over a western country.

      This is cope. The ADL is and has always been a zionist org and their purpose is to secure a future for their chosen people and their Israeli children.

      • lolcatnip@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        22 hours ago

        I think their exact mission statement is “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Jewish children, because the beauty of the White Jewish woman must not perish from the Earth.”

    • kava@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      23 hours ago

      The ADL is likely giving a calculated response because of what happened last time Nazis took over a western country

      Israel is far-right. Far-right actors will align itself with other far-right actors. This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone that the militaristic society who actively perpetuates the worst apartheid in living memory would naturally align itself with the far-right.

      The next fascism will not be anti-Jew. That’s all ADL cares about

  • Vytle@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    17 hours ago

    I sincerely hope birthright citizenship is ended and I get deported. Get me the fuck out of here.

    • Jyek@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      17 hours ago

      I know this is said mostly in jest but the implications of being deported to a country you aren’t a citizen of is terrifying. Being stateless is often a terrible punishment. It means you aren’t welcome anywhere in the world.

  • shadowfax13@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    19 hours ago

    lmao our govt and these oligarchs have been doing much worse than just salute in last few decades. be ready for a rabid police state like israel here

    • Jax@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      edit-2
      2 days ago

      Guys, it’s not a nazi salute - those literal nazis were just “giving their hearts”. Come on, stop being blinded by your ideology.

      For those of you struggling, no I do not actually believe this.

      • Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        23 hours ago

        That’s probably the next step of this for the alt-right: When nazi symbolism has been normalized, it’ll be “Most nazis weren’t bad, only the well-known ones”.

        • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          18 hours ago

          Eyup, I imagine they’ll try to rewrite history to make Ernst Rohm into a gay Nazi folk hero who was kind enough to not be “too gay”

      • Klear@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        ·
        1 day ago

        People today call everyone a Nazi, it lost all meaning. You can’t even walk on a street with flags with a hindu symbol without being called a Nazi…

  • dx1@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    39
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    2 days ago

    The ADL exists to normalize fascism and “Israeli” colonialism. That’s it. It’s a subversive fascist lobbying group masquerading as some kind of pro-equality, anti-racist civil society nonprofit group. Absolutely disgusting organization.

  • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    211
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    2 days ago

    The ADL considers anti-zionism to be antisemitic.

    I literally don’t give a shit what the ADL thinks.

    • Serinus@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      34
      ·
      2 days ago

      This is the most clear possible destruction of their credibility. It’s the thing you point to when you say they’re full of shit.

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        11 hours ago

        In 2016 they tired to say drinking milk was racist, now they’re saying being a Nazi is completely fine.

        The ADL is a joke, but I aint laughin’.

    • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldOP
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      84
      ·
      2 days ago

      Still poignant to point out how absolutely stupid and hypocritical this entire group is with their bullshit of literally defending a actual Nazi giving the Nazi salute in broadcast tv.

    • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      68
      ·
      2 days ago

      Antizionism means to be a against Israel‘s existence. Half the world’s Jews live in Israel and the state protects them. Without the state of Israel millions of Jews are in danger of ethnic cleansing or genocide. So the consequences of antizionism are enabling antisemitic acts on a large scale.

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        18 hours ago

        I am definitely against the existence of the world’s only Ethnostate, especially when it siphons money from America’s Healthcare Programs and uses them to kill Palestinian children for being the wrong color.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        8
        ·
        1 day ago

        Antizionism means to be a against Israel‘s existence.

        What does that have to do with the adl defending elon’s nazi salute?

      • LePoisson@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        33
        ·
        2 days ago

        Zionism is trash. Israel is the one doing the ethnic cleansing and genocide and using Zionism as part of the excuse for it.

        I know it’s not the fault of Judaism or Jews in general but goddamn Israel is probably turning people antisemitic because of what they’re doing and have done.

        • grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          2 days ago

          Yes. I keep reminding myself my Jewish friends did not choose to attack the Gazans and don’t agree with Israel’s actions, but wow is the antisemitic brain worm whispering at me.

      • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        23
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        Antizionism means to be a against Israel‘s existence.

        It doesn’t.

        millions of Jews are in danger of ethnic cleansing or genocide.

        They aren’t. Maybe some. Not in America, Britain, most of Europe.

        Too bad the best-boyfriend-in-the-world is still a boy and doesn’t understand world politics.

        • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          23
          ·
          2 days ago

          Zionism is literally the right of the Jewish people to self determination in the form of the state of Israel. It’s simply Jewish nationalism.

          Antizionism demands Israel‘s destruction and denies the Jewish nation the right to self determination.

          Denying the right to self determination only for the Jewish people, but not for other people (e. g. Palestinians) is antisemitic of course. If you’re opposed to all ethnicity based nation states or states in general, it’s not antisemitic. It’s rarely the case though, that anti-zionists are also against the existence of Finland, Italy, and Mongolia.

          • Sturgist@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            14
            ·
            1 day ago

            So we should all stand to the side and applaud while Israel commits genocide? Look at them go, self-determining, so proud!
            Look at what you’re writing, really fucking look at it, and tell me you’re not supporting a fucking genocide.

            Get fucked.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                ·
                24 hours ago

                I don’t support the current war on Gaza

                Genocide. It’s a genocide. Calling it less is apologia/

              • Sturgist@lemmy.ca
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                3
                ·
                1 day ago

                Cool, glad you think that way. I do have to say though… that’s not how any of your comments (that I have read) in this thread have come off…

                The way you came off sounded very much like:
                Zionism is Self-Determination for the Jewish people, and speaking out against the way it has been contorted to the ends of extermination of another people who have lived there for hundreds or thousands of years after they agreed to carve out a piece of their country and often welcomed and helped them, is 10000% antisemitism and you should be ashamed.

                And then also look at the way the Israeli government treats non-white Jews. Ethiopian Jews are treated almost as badly as Arab “citizens.” So don’t tell me that Zionism is respectable, or that it should be upheld. Or that it’s antisemitism to say that using Zionism as an excuse for an ethnostate is disgusting and a play by play reproduction of what was done by the Nazis, a perpetuation of abuse and trauma that will continue forever if it’s not stopped and stomped out.

                • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  5
                  ·
                  24 hours ago

                  way you came off sounded very much like

                  It’s not my fault, you’re unable to read and only carry hate and prejudice in your heart.

                  extermination of another people

                  Is just a lie. There’s nothing close to extermination of Palestinians going on. Compare the number of dead to wars in Syria, Sudan, Azerbaijan, Yemen, Iraq.

                  Are too many Palestinians dying, yes. However, as has been demonstrated just now, Hama could have gotten a ceasefire at any time. They just don’t give a shit about Palestinian deaths.

                  then also look at the way the Israeli government treats non-white Jews

                  Check out how black Gazans are treated, that live in Abeed (Arabic for Slave).

                  Ethiopian Jews are doing pretty well in Israel.

                  Zionism as an excuse for an ethnostate is disgusting and a play by play reproduction of what was done by the Nazi

                  You don’t seem to have any understanding of what the Nazis did, what Zionism is, or what Israel‘s actual policies are. What you’re writing is at least holocaust relativism, which is antisemitic. You should be ashamed.

            • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 day ago

              So we should all stand to the side and applaud while Israel commits genocide?

              This is c/politics. Why stop now?

      • Deceptichum@quokk.au
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        43
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        2 days ago

        Ethno-nationalism is not good.

        Colonialism is not good.

        Israel is not good. Israel threatens the wellbeing of Jewish people world wide with its act of trying to conflate Israel and Judaism.

          • zqps@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            edit-2
            23 hours ago

            Not by means of illegal occupation and ethnic cleansing, no.

            A tip: Any such argument that could be (and usually has been) used to defend Nazi Germany in the same fashion is not a great place to start.

          • Deceptichum@quokk.au
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            21
            ·
            2 days ago

            There are thousands and thousands of ethnic groups in the world and only 195 countries.

            Knock it off with this racist crap.

            • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              6
              ·
              1 day ago

              Self determination is in the UN Charter and part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Are these racist?

              Self determination means the peoples can decide themselves under what kind of government or state they live.

              Was the British and Spanish colonial empire anti racist because it ruled over many ethnicities?

              • Deceptichum@quokk.au
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                ·
                20 hours ago

                … That does not mean every ethnicity gets its own nation, it means people are not slaves and have choice in their lives.

          • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            12
            ·
            2 days ago

            Do you think every other ethnic group has self determination? The USA is filled with the remnants of tribes that fought the US government and lost their lands. Should they be given those lands back? Are you going to push for all lands to be given back to the ethnic group that held them thousands of years ago or just the one that applies to your interests?

            • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              5
              ·
              1 day ago

              It’s part of the UN Charter and the International Declaration of Human rights and a well established right in international law.

              Native American peoples deserve self determination and reparations for sure.

              for all lands to be given back to the ethnic group that held them thousands of years ago

              Not every group, because they usually don’t have such a strong cultural connection to some ancient lands anymore. The Jewish people had been a homeless and oppressed minority for centuries. Fleeing and founding their own state in their ancient homeland was the only way to ensure their own survival. Israel is a country of refugees, who had nowhere else to go. I don’t know of another people with a comparable history.

              Roma (gypsies) in Europe don’t have such a connection to their ancient homeland for example. I don’t know enough about North American natives to have an informed opinion on it. I know that many tribes were displaced more than once.

              • MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                4
                ·
                23 hours ago

                It isn’t in the Declaration of Human Rights.

                Not every group has connection to the land? Are you dead certain this is the pathway you want to go here? You know that this is at the very least extremely uncomfortable of a suggestion, completely contradicts your initial claim that only Jewish people don’t get a homeland, and completely ignores the connection to the people actually living there at the time, right?

                Many minority groups get oppressed throughout history. You should really learn more about other people if you think this is unique to Jewish people. I would start by looking at the Roma peoples of Europe.

      • phar@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 days ago

        That’s not all that Zionism is, you’re purposely changing it to fit your narrative. In other words, lying.

        • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          9
          ·
          1 day ago

          That’s the core definition of Zionism. Look it up. There are many flavors of it that disagree on many things.

          There are of course antisemites, who will simply replace Jew with Zionist to spread their ideology in a more publicly acceptable manner.

          • phar@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            18 hours ago

            Yes let’s reduce it down to whatever was their base idea and not how they have been acting their entire existence. Those Nazis were just people that loved Germany the most! The Zionist didn’t just want to live in an area, they wanted everyone else out. Fuck those shit heads, displacement and genocide was the purpose from the beginning. You can disapprove of Israel as an entire nation and not be an antisemite.

  • GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    60
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    2 days ago

    The ADL has been questionable for a long time, but this definitively kills the last bit of credibility they ever had. From this point on, anything they say should be ignored.

    Oh, and Justice for Pepe, you downright pieces of shit