“Pay hundreds of dollars for a new computer”?
Forget this guy’s struggles with Windows, I want to know where they’re buying sub-1K PCs in 2025. I’ll debloat Windows 8 for that deal if I have to.
One thousand is just ten hundreds if you really think about it.
“New” can also mean “new to me”.
2000 is still hundreds
that’s another order of magnitude
Let me open a random online computer shop here in Central Europe, and I am greeted with this:
Ranging from shit-tier 300€ office and youtube machine to 1k€ entry-level macbook. Sure, it’s no thinkpad carbon pro ultra leet, but face it, most people don’t buy that (or buy that used)
And that is laptops, desktop PCs usually tend to be a bit cheaper for the same performance level.
You haven’t looked at all. There’s zillions of them everywhere
Horrendously racist term aside, I feel for this dude. I’ve logged into Microsoft’s support forums more than a few times specifically to call out and report the mindless idiots who keep marking their own unhelpful comments as “solutions.”
Help me, which term is racist?
I think ‘jeets’ means Indian from the contexts of other greentexts I’ve seen. But I’m not sure why
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pajeet warning: racism (although, obvious right?)
It means cowfucker in this context
it’s short for Pajeet, which is a somewhat common Indian first name. I associate it with UK racism more than US racism for some reason.
That lines up. I’m in my fourth decade of life, always lived in the US, and this is the first time I’ve ever seen that word.
Though I don’t make a habit out of socializing with racists, so I can’t rule out that some people here might use it.
Oh, TIL - thanks!
Windows is largely an Indian product, jeets is racist against Indians.
I literally just want Windows 7 again but with security updates, driver support, and back end technology upgrades.
For now I’m settling with Window’s current state with some Linux use mixed in with the intent to nearly fully migrate for my next desktop build. I’ll only use Windows for whatever games refuse to budge on anti-cheat, assuming by then I’m even still interested in playing pvp games at all considering how enshittified they are with engagement based matchmaking and FOMO battlepasses.
what about win10/11 ltsc?
No, they are bad. Boo windows 10 and the one that is even worse.
damn, I should’ve know that I’ll get this respond haha. I personally use dual boot Ubuntu 25.04 and win11 ltsc (cursed by some people’s standard I know but just hear me out I hate snap as much as you do) and I just thought win11 ltsc is the closest thing (the security updates, no AI, bloat bs) to what op was looking for from my experiences:
I literally just want Windows 7 again but with security updates, driver support, and back end technology upgrades.
What made me switch permanently to Linux was the KDE Plasma Desktop Enviorment, using Archlinux (SomeOrdinaryGamers had this as his setup.) Basically has what I love about windows 7, and more. Even the desktop widgets!
For me, learning the GUI isn’t the biggest issue but taking full advantage of my hardware and some online game’s anti-cheat.
I know Linux driver support that Nvidia has put out has brought it to a pretty good place, but my understanding is that its still not at parity and there is a performance impact to switching.
Think of the steamdeck. That’s Linux, it’ll play modern games on decent settings and it’s 3 year old hardware now. It’s not an optimized OS like a PS4 ( nearest analog in terms of performance specs) it’s a full linux desktop OS.
I know, I own one. I just also have a desktop with a 4070 super.
Can’t say much on the technical shit, but I’ve only had one game perform worse on linux. Most actually seem to do better, and I have an nvidia card. Though I don’t play much in the way of multi-player or online stuff, so mileage may vary.
Fair enough, maybe I could give it another try.
It’s a big incentive for me to make my next card upgrade an AMD card. That’s already a laundry list of other good reasons to do so nowadays, but it’s real hard to justify buying a graphics card in this economy.
The performance issue is there’s no frame gen with DLSS yet. Other than that, I get better performance from my NVIDIA card on Linux than I do on windows.
I personally see Linux Mint exactly as a Windows 7 but with modern support (there is even a cool Aero theme for it) :P
I use mint in my stores so I am no mint hater, but I still find windows 7 to be a nicer user experience. And funny enough “modern support” is still seemingly a thing for my old windows 7 machine. I am often shocked at how well new hardware just works with it. I would have changed it to mint years ago if it showed even a hint of obsolescence, but it seems to just keep trucking on and on. The same can not be said for other windows machines I have tried to put on line (for fun I have done windows XP, vista, 8 and 2000).
In my case I didn’t have much luck with support for newer hardware, sadly. And as much as I love Mint I have to agree that no OS beats Windows 7 UX up to this date. But I even then, I personally don’t feel much safe using it nowadays because of security vulnerabilities (since it’s EOL), I had issues with ransomware on Win 10 so God knows what I would infect myself with on win 7 😁
It’s… It’s beautiful
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Like Glasswire i think it was? And Tinywall. That category is called application firewall.
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Do you get a licensing cut or a referral link?
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I still use 7 on my media PC in the living room. Its wild how much better it still is to use. Gamepass seems to be all that is keeping one PC in my home running windows 10, and when that ends so will my use. Never going to 11.
Unless that windows 7 computer is entirely air-gapped from your network, you should switch it to Linux or Windows 10 (which is going out of support in October).
Even if you have it on a separate VLAN or have it restricted from accessing the internet, there are attacks that can use another device on the network as a starting point for attacks.
Having a Windows 7 computer anywhere near your network is an enormous security risk. And one that is frankly not worth it, given the alternatives that exist.
Ha, no it is not. As someone who worked many years in the industry, nothing is really secure but also nothing is really attacked in that way anymore. (Unless you think people are going around warwalking looking for vulnerabilities in private networks). There are are still many networked devices running old windows even now (in some really sensitive areas as well). The constant fear mongering about security updates from Microsoft being anything but too little/too late is just crap talk to keep people employed.
The main risk currently is social engineering, to a degree that (outside major nations/companies) the other attack vectors are a rounding error. You and anyone else worth less then a few millions best approach to online security is to back up often, change passwords often, and don’t click links in emails.
Window’s 11 is pretty annoying to use on various levels. I only upgraded to it because my brother encouraged me. Hes always been a little bit of a mainstream tech cheerleader though. Hes always cheered on Intel, Nvidia, and Windows. Its funny though right now I (somewhat resentfully) have an Nvidia because of my performance demand and he has a Radeon because of budget.
I think I might need to start trusting myself on my hardware searches a lot more. Of course I probably wont be buying new hardware for a while anyway.
I didn’t even let my latest laptop boot to Windows when I first turned it on, the Linux USB stick went in right away. But for those who use Windows for one reason or another, always perform a clean install; manufacturers love including all sorts of crap by default.
I wanted to check if everything worked correctly out of the box (and not have trouble with any warranty if it didn’t), and doing the initial round of bios updates was easier on windows. So, I booted to windows, played around a bit, and then installed Linux.
theres also these fantastic tools: https://privacy.sexy/ https://github.com/builtbybel/Bloatynosy/releases https://github.com/crazy-max/WindowsSpyBlocker https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
Not FOSS: https://winaero.com/download-winaero-tweaker/
Someone’s curated list: https://github.com/TemporalAgent7/awesome-windows-privacy
My laptop booted in to Windows once. I missed my first guess on the key to enter setup and USB storage didn’t have a higher boot order than internal storage.
Windows peaked at XP. Vista was the plateau on the other side, followed by the sheer cliff of windows 7.
Windows 7 was pretty damn good.
What? Windows 7 was probably the best version of windows ever just ahead of 2000.
Windows 8 was where the cliff was.
People look back at XP through rose tinted glasses. It was incredibly insecure in every way. Vista made the security architecture changes needed. Windows 7 was polish on top.
Windows 8 was where metro, start menu ads, auto installing unwanted apps, and ruining Windows control panel / settings happened.
Prolly, I don’t really remember tbh.
That makes sense. Lol.
XP was just 2000 with a teletubby desktop. I absolutely hated it.
you take that back!
Bliss is beautiful >:c
They’re right though, XP’s Luna was garbage.
I liked it. But I also used the “classic” interface anyway, so…
Whatever Windows you matured with is the best Windows. Mine was Windows 2000. Thanks, Dad 😂
Except ME. We don’t talk about that one…
So, DOS?
DOS isn’t Windows. Consumer versions of Windows happened to run on top of DOS until XP was released in 2001.
Maybe I should rephrase: the OS you matured with is the best OS.
Half the programs I needed to use in Windows 3.1, and 3.11 required a DOS prompt to run. It wasn’t until NT that almost all software caught up enough to not need that DOS prompt so much. Although AutoCAD R9 ran like crap in NT on the 386 with math co-processor. So I needed to reboot into DOS every time I needed CAD.
10 introduced a bunch of cool stuff that made it seem like it was going places: WSL, the new terminal, multiple desktops. If you’re able to ignore the sad state of the control panel and settings apps, 10 was peak windows experience (feature-wise).
Then 11 came around and fucked everything up. As someone who subscribed to MS Insider to run beta builds of windows and get updates earlier, win 11 was the first iteration that really felt like there was just no upside to it. It was exactly the same as win10, but with some features removed and a much heavier hardware requirement. Even Vista (microsoft’s most successful OS) had some cool stuff going for it back in the day, but win11 was nothing but one disappointment after another. Shit it wouldn’t even let you keep a clock on the second screen until like a year after release.
ERROR! Please drink a verification can!
It’s not entirely clear from the post, but allow me to provide some further context as I received this same pop-up myself.
I had purchased a legit Windows 10 Pro license with my own money for a custom built PC. Was always a trim installation because that’s how I roll. Still got this out of nowhere when I booted back into my Windows partition the other day, was unclear what app or process pushed it. Some update either added a new app responsible for pushing these desktop level ads or enabled a pre-existing notification feature I had previously disabled. Just a typical Win10 toast notification a few moments after logging in. Dismissed it quickly and did not care to investigate, but that’s about as bad as you can really get, IMHO. They’ve slowly been pushing the bounds, but here we are: ads straight to the desktop.
Figure it out.
This is why I run MAGA Linux with the Kristi Gnome desktop. Problem is my Java imports cost more.
i dont even know this comment can be called. Politically-online? that Doesnt integrate the linux bit though only the irony and the politics 😭 you’ve created art today jaybone.
Reminds me of when I use to watch leftist political streamers 24/7 (mainly Vaush). Good thing I stopped watching, no matter how depressed afterwards I was.
Better than Python import tarrifs.
Oh shit if you have a dog you need to shut down the computer right now no time to explain
I’ve been using windows my entire life and have never run into any of the issues Linux users talk about all the time.
I dont think annon is a Linux user
I don’t know of anyone who uses any other OS that complain about windows the way Linux users do
Have you seen Windows users? Most of them here Windows
Lucky you.
I just had to use my job’s OEM device to connect to our new contactor’s site since it doesn’t work with my machines for some reason (standard deb stable and a popos machine). When I boot into it the lock screen was so overwhelming with weather info, news and other junk I just had to laugh. Its crazy how much junk you need to disable to have a usable device. I haven’t really seen vanilla windows for awhile, but it seemed like Vegas slot machine with how many notifications I was getting.
I have a Win11 ThinkPad for work, so I get MS ads, Lenovo ads, and 2 or 3 versions each of Teams and Outlook. We use SharePoint, so when I open a file from there via the web interface, I don’t want to deal with that BS for printing. Depending if it’s Word or Excel, the button/link for opening in the desktop app will be located differently (or maybe it’s based on editing permissions), but it never fails to throw a dialog saying it couldn’t open the file in desktop mode and asking if i want to cancel or try again…just before the desktop app opens.
Some of these things don’t happen every day, but they all happen every week, and anyone who doesn’t see a problem with that hasn’t used a half-decent OS (and I’m willing to include early-release Win10 in that group, telemetry and Cortana notwithstanding).
We may call it junk, but a lot of users want those kinds of features.
It also isn’t an “unusable device” just because it shows if it is going to be cloudy. Stop being so pedantic.
And all of it can easily be disabled with a simple easy-to-find setting. But it is on by default because a majority of users don’t look into their settings and thus wouldn’t know it is available.
You have to remember that Windows was made for non-tech savvy users. Not for you and me.
a lot of users want those kinds of features
I had to re-enable them on computers at my company. I changed a policy to get rid of it and by the end of the day I had a dozen or so emails (~10% of the company) asking for them back.
YMMV of course and I don’t personally like them. But a lot of people actually do. I think a lot of the people in communities like this forget how much of a power user they really are, and what actual users really want.
I mean it was 4 years ago (still 10) and in rough EU area (luckily, nobody but Apple cares enough to not include Swiss) so it was no that bad. But it was a developer device with admin rights, so everything that popped up a notification without good reason got removed.
Btw, every and each driver vendor installs a background service “for updates” on Windows, that tracks you and occasionally shows ads or flips out to eat all CPU. You can just copy the driver file, uninstall that crap and install the driver file via HWManager. Sorry, i don’t remember the file extension, have to google it.
I can mind the popups and ads but its the surveillance that I don’t like. Mc recall was the whole reason I deleted my os and got arch
Just use an enterprise edition and then CTT cleanup tool.
Where does one just use such edition?
May I also recommend dusting off the old pirate hat?
Oh, and group policies. I could not work on a system without turning all sorts of shit off in gpedit.
Mass Activation Script
In Germany you just purchase an OEM volume license on eBay for 8€. That’s why I don’t give a shit about all this drama, lol. I’m still switching to Linux once I find the time to do so, because I don’t want to support American companies any further.
In Germany you just purchase an OEM volume license on eBay for 8€
[X]Doubt
Having purchased $8 keys on eBay, they’re more than likely either data center or MAK activation keys that are being resold against the license agreement.
Not that I care, mind, but there’s very little likelihood that a real/legit key being sold for that little that’s actually OEM.
Edit: IMHO, there isn’t much difference in buying a grey market key vs just using the activation script.
The license agreement doesn’t mean shit here though. Its perfectly legal. They’re perfectly valid and official keys.
How much extra does that cost?
Just use the mass activation script. It doesn’t cost anything
Today I booted my work laptop to be greeted with a fucken ad glazing AI and trying to tell me its the future. Its junk microsoft and you cannot convince me otherwise.
Work laptop = not your problem
I’m in the same situation. If I wanna dick around on the internet at work, I have my phone and personal laptop, which happens to be a Thinkpad T14 G1 (running LMDE 6) and blends right in.
I remember some linux laptops my employer handed out to devs that absolutely needed them. Horrendously outdated and misconfigured, half-assed ports of the company software, you had to have a second laptop to read the knowledge base if it broke again. Not fun. Imagine all the shitshow of corporate windows, but with 1/100th the budget.
Yikes. How’d that get resolved? If at all?
Hah. I made it work enough to do my work, and handed it in as soon as I was done
Honestly I’ve been eyeing Linux more and more, but it also scares me a little. What I’m mostly worried about is losing any functionality I’ve gotten used to.
I’ve been using Mint since November. Love it. It’s made using my PC new and fun again. There are only two things I cannot figure out yet, and that’s putting roms on my PS2 hard drive, and connecting my TI-86 calculator. Luckily, those are both things I can do on my XP machine.
I switched to Fedora KDE a couple years ago and am happy, but the desktop Linux experience does have it’s rough edges. Do research and experiment before you make the full switch
Do it. I was where you are 2 months ago. Everything isn’t perfect to where it was but I don’t mind it and am not looking back.
Dumb question. Can you play games that don’t officially support Linux? The oblivion remaster that came out today for instance
I’m due for an OS reinstall and maybe this is the time for the switch
From personal experience testing some games before, indie games ran better performance than they do on windows while AAA games ran worse.
That was years ago tho. Apparently steamdeck uses linux and valve has started helping to the contributors working on linux gaming.
Ironically, windows games run better on Linux than Linux games run on Linux. I wouldn’t worry about it, Proton (the thing that lets you run Windows games) is extremely good now. Just make sure to enable it in your Steam settings
Oblivion remaster works out of the box in Linux.
I’ve been using Cachy OS and Marvel Rivals, Deep Rock Galactic, Deep Rock Galactic Survivor, Crusader Kings 3, and UFO 50 have all worked out of the box including multiplayer. Turmoil and Helldivers 2 required a “tweak” which was switching back from Cachy’s version of Proton to the default Steam one. (Turmoil had minor graphical glitches and Helldivers 2 wouldn’t work on multiplayer until I did that.)
Linux gaming is worlds better than it has been in ages.
I’m playing the Oblivion remaster and it works great.
I can’t speak for all, but I did PoE 2, witcher 3 and balders gate 3 and after some fiddling they all worked.
https://www.protondb.com/ if you didn’t know about protondb it’s really helpful to look for game compatibility. Proton is what lets most windows games run on linux, and is easy to turn on in the steam compatibility settings.
I’m at the point now that I don’t even bother checking ProtonDB unless it’s a really expensive purchase. Most things work out of the box for me. With some games that have a native Linux client, the Windows version will actually run better for me.
I’m a big Linux advocate these days and my best advice is to set realistic expectations. If your intent is to recreate your Windows experience exactly, you’ll always be left disappointed. There’s simply nothing better than OneNote at what it does, but I migrated my note taking habits over to Obsidian and I’m perfectly happy there now. Turns out I didn’t need 90% of OneNote’s immense functionality.
At the end of the day though, Linux is FOSS: it’s made by people, for people, to solve the computing problems people have. There are a variety of solutions out there. Reexamine your workflows and be open to fitting new solutions to them, there are just SO MANY choices out there for how to handle most problems.
Aside from that, there’s always going to be a small learning curve. People tend to view that as simply a hassle that takes time to overcome and while that’s not entirely wrong, it very much undercuts the real value of learning how to operate and maintain the OS that you most likely use every day, all day. It’s extremely hard to accurately describe the value of investing that time and having an OS that isn’t bloated with corporate nonsense and fighting you to dictate your workflows into their intended patterns so they can agitate you with ads and paid services at every step. There’s a reason we all come out sounding like zealots and while I acknowledge it can feel a little cult-ish, who you gonna trust? Your online nerd community or a corporation who has shown time and time again that they do not value you as an individual user?
Well said. I switched to Mint on my laptop recently and just the serenity of not being pestered by the OS constantly fills me with contentment. Also, the fan was running constantly due to Windows background processes before and now it is silent unless I’m doing heavy work. Feels good.
Your comment nailed it. I just switched a couple of weeks back and it really wasn’t awful. There is a bit of a learning curve, mostly around setting up your system the way you want it, but there are so many good text and video tutorials available.
Now I have a system that just works, has improved my laptop’s battery life by over 20% (the fan is no longer cranking the whole time it’s on), and actually has greater functionality than when I was on Windows without all the shit I don’t want.
My main concern is for my hobbies, like games and such. I’ve heard that games can have a bit of difficulty running on Linux, and graphics drivers too.
I don’t want to talk about other peoples experiences when it comes to games and graphics drivers on linux. I can just mention my own experiences with it. As a disclaimer I have used linux for years, just not as my main desktop.
Graphics drivers I have not had any issue with, they’ve been pretty plug and play. Games I’ve found can be a bit hit and miss, most will just work fine right away through proton or wine while others can require a bit of tweaking and troubleshooting to get running properly. I have yet to run into a game that just would not run at all however, but that could also just be that the games that wouldn’t run are ones that didn’t interest me already.
A lot of the advice out there is anecdotal - ask a dozen people, get a dozen answers.
For my part, I installed plain Arch on a custom built system. I use the Nvidia proprietary drivers for my 3080 and I’ve had no issues with drivers or gaming. If you’re talking retro, RetroArch or other assorted emulators have you covered no prob. If you’re talking modern stuff, Elden Ring works online with its Easy Anti-Cheat and I play a ton of Trackmania which chains Uplay launcher (ugh) and have even managed to install mods with Openplanet which is a Windows only mod manager. One time my friend was telling me about an old Windows 3.1 pinball game. I downloaded it from abandonware (https://www.myabandonware.com/game/3-d-ultra-pinball-creep-night-3fh) and just launched the installer with WINE, it even placed a shortcut for it on my app launcher (kinda hated that actually 😅). I feel like that worked more flawlessly than it would have on Windows 11. Most games simply launch with Proton, however sometimes you do get weird issues that may involve trying some different versions of Proton. Dark Souls III for example still gets angry at anything beyond 8.X or whatever.
I think a lot of people look at the troubleshooting you have to do in Linux and dread it as an utter failstate of the system. Not true. In Windows when your system is hosed you’re likely down for a reinstall or patiently waiting for Microsoft to do their part and patch it. On Linux, when something goes wrong you pop the hood and take a look. You don’t HAVE to do it, you GET to do it.
Moral of the story is, your best bet is to try a dual boot if you can and give it a go yourself. I suspect the issues a lot of people are having is because they get too carried away with customizations and system configs. I try to keep most things basic unless I have a really good reason to alter them.
Pasting my comment here from another on this thread.
I’ve been using Cachy OS and Marvel Rivals, Deep Rock Galactic, Deep Rock Galactic Survivor, Crusader Kings 3, and UFO 50 have all worked out of the box including multiplayer. Turmoil and Helldivers 2 required a “tweak” which was switching back from Cachy’s version of Proton to the default Steam one. (Turmoil had minor graphical glitches and Helldivers 2 wouldn’t work on multiplayer until I did that.)
Linux gaming is worlds better than it has been in ages.
As someone who has used linux since 2009, I remember the days when linux “gaming” was super tux cart and some clone of minesweeper, that’s it. Linux has gotten SO much better in regards to gaming and will only continue to do so.
Linux user since 1998, checking in.
Uplink, Neverwinter Nights, and a few other games had native clients circa 2002-3. Wolfenstein and CS worked via opengl and wine. World of Warcraft, doom 1 & 2, StarCraft 1 (I never played 2)
Sometimes it was a pain getting games to work, for sure. And it’s 1000% better than it used to be! But there were lots of games available even back then, if you knew where to look.
Also me whenever a new version of windows came out or I just to reinstall for some reason. It never felt the same as it was.
I’ve switched to Linux a long time ago. You’ll get used to it and it will be the new normal if you give it a chance and understand that it is different.
People worry too much about it, just give it a spin.
You can try Linux with dual booting ( but be careful or windows will fuck everything up)
My thinking was that one day, microsoft will pull the rug beneath my feet and i will lose a ton of data and features brutally. I did the switch 3 weeks ago to fedora and i have no regrets, i actually gained many features for free
I switched two years ago and it’s mostly fantastic. You might “lack” something windows does because you are used to it, but you get a vast amount of choice in other features, depending on how much you try and experiment.
I recently moved to EndeavourOS with KDE Plasma and immeditately loved it, and so much of the UI is customizable by default and super easy. PoP!_OS just works, Mint or just Ubuntu are also often mentioned as nice picks.
Of course there might also be situtations where you have to look up solutions online because some software/hardware might not be automatically supported, but I personally can count the issues on one hand that took me longer than a few minutes to fix.
As someone else suggested, give dualboot a try and feel some different distros out. Could also just make a ventoy (fantastic tool) usb stick and try multiple distros very easily without fully installing.
I think as long as you don’t expect it to “be exactly like Windows” it could be great to switch.
Edit: it’s also much easier nowadays to use and/or to find solutions for isses i think. I tried ubuntu the first time in 2013 but it didn’t stick. Nowadays I could not imagine going back to Windows
I use Mint. I’m not a tech savvy person at all. It was so easy. I love it, being free from windows is a breath of fresh air. Never have ads down my throat, my OS doesn’t use MY computer to spy on me. Break the chains of capitalism!
Happy cakeday
Anon’s on 4chan. He literally just has to go from v to g to have a treasure trove of information on how to not deal with this exact problem.
