This is applicable to Americans in the country and better answered if you actually live in it. The question stands - have you given up on America or do you really think there is a shred of a chance for a turnaround?
I think I have given up on America for it to do anything better for itself. I think the passing general election nailed the final nail in the coffin, that people who voted wrongly, wanted to worsen things in general to appease selfish personal agendas.
I think Americans in general really are set in stone about baking a cake and having it too with their interesting levels of double standards. They complain about big tech having your information, but turn around wanting you to sign a petition that asks for your information. They complain about commercials all year long, but will tune in by the millions for a Super Bowl. They complain about unfair wages, bad workplace environments and shitty bosses but didn’t make so much of a fuss during the pandemic.
There’s just too many things internally wrong with this country, that dampens what hope I ever had for it. Politicians and the “Real Owners” want to keep Americans dumb, complacent, tight and stressed to do anything. But if you give Americans a bit of leverage that could chip at those odds, they shit the fucking bed with their own incompetence.
So what gives, really? Live your life, do the best you can for yourself and those around you. Live another day but god damn fuck the majority of Americans and this country in general.
America has been dead to me for years. It’s a crumbling empire and I have no respect for any of its leadership. I will never give up on myself or the working class, but we have far too much rabid individualism and egos to work together.
The people will weather the storm and come out the other side, albeit differently, but any semblance of government here is trash. Both parties are nothing but greed-driven parasites and everyone knows it. The new generations aren’t fooled by the same bullshit propaganda and the ruling class knows it. That’s why they’re ruling with an iron fist and the cops have zero accountability.
Cop cities going up everywhere; a military base on every continent; Israeli money weaving into everything; the Democrats are useless fucks; the Republicans are unmasked fascists. This country is in the final stages of late capitalism. I don’t want to live here and haven’t for years, but I persevere for family and friends. I’ve already told my wife if a revolution ever happens, I’m probably going to be the 65-year-old man that dies in it.
This is something my fellow Americans need to come to terms with:
Yes. I do not believe there is any chance whatsoever to make America great again, as we were 1 year ago.
I have never bought into it, so nothing to give up, really… This is just an affirmation as to why…
America is in a very bad situation in current freedoms and, worse yet, the trajectory is wrong-headed too. However, Europe is in no shape or form in any better situation. The erosion of liberties is really appalling in both side of the Atlantic.
Now, the question is if Americans have given up. Mostly do, specially since it has become clear that millions of voices can be silence with just a resourceful lobby. However, the lack of social net in the US, if a crisis like 2008 ensures again, Americans will demand changes like never before. I see more possibility of real change in the US than in Europe if both are affected by a similar recession.
If everyone gave up on a place when futures there look bleak, there wouldnt be a place left in the world worth living in.
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I’m not seeing much hope in the future, so yes I’ve given up. I want to leave so goddamn bad.
I’ve never taken down on them to begin with
I have given up. Collectively, we’re incapable of long range planning. Climate change and non-renewable resource depletion are intractable problems. A significant number of us refuse to even acknowledge the existence of the problems. Things will have to get massively worse before anyone will have any success in changing approaches.
Whenever I hear some famous American talk about how they weee gh good guys and that they want to be the good guys again…
You never were the good guys, its just now for the first time that Americans really too suffer the consequences of their shitty leadership.
The US funded and directed a dictator to come to power in Iran, which directly caused current theocracy
Same for Chile same for Nicaragua same for…
The US always has been the evil one, it’s just that it was slightly less evil than the USSR and it gave it’s citizens slightly more rights and it treated its allies well.
THAT is what’s gone now. Allies are now treated like enemies, and citizens are now being fucked, and it’s rapidly becoming more evil than the USSR ever was.
The US always has been evil
On a side note: Well controlled capitalism is great for everyone and can be the power source for a huge socialist system, see Finland, the Netherlands. Unbridled capitalism gets you the shit in the US. You were warned, ma y many times, you k ew this would happen and didn’t care. That is what changed, now you have out of control billionaires. You have a choice: go like France a few hundred years ago, or become slaves. I’d you want to be a slave, that’s fine, that’s your choice, but don’t force that fate onto the test of the world
The US was always far more evil than the USSR, and gave its citizens fewer rights. The US committed numerous genocidal invasions against Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, and much more, while the USSR supported anti-colonial liberation movements in Cuba, China, Palestine, Angola, and much, much more.
Further, Finland, the Netherlands, etc are not Socialist. They are Social Democracies. Their safety nets are deteriorating, the state is under the control of capitalists, and they fund their safety nets through Imperialism. They all are reliant on the US millitarily. You cannot “control” Capitalism, Capitalism directly means the system is under the control of Capitalists. Socialism is required, meaning overwhelmingly public ownership of large firms and key industries, and power in the hands of the working class.
When the US Empire falls, the rest of the Global North will fall with it, or will have to pivot to the Global South.
The US Empire cannot be reformed from within, it needs to be completely dismantled as a state. This new state needs to place indigenous Americans at the forefront as a starter for decolonization, must be Socialist in character, and comprehensively democratic with minority protections. The current US State works entirely off of Imperialism, and maintains hundreds of overseas millitary bases to terrorize the world into bending the knee. The state is not democratic, candidates are pre-approved by the capitalist class. Megacorps rule the US, and have dominance over both parties.
This does not mean “genocide against all who live in the US.” Rather, it means that the working class of the US must overthrow the state and replace it with one run by and for the working class, in an anti-Imperialist and de-colonial manner.
To preface, I was born in and live in the US. Before I answer, there are several things you say that I disagree with. First, why are the answers from folks like me and you the most relevant? There are more folks who live outside the United States than within. If you are specifically are looking for the opinions of those who live here, the question should be posed as such. A small change in wording shows that those of us who do live here can change to take a more global perspective. You’ll also notice I haven’t called myself an ‘American’ or referred to ‘America’. This is a small change I have made to the same end.
I also disagree that one can ‘vote wrongly’. People have the right to vote, and to vote according to their belief in their best interest, however misguided they may be. They trust the system which lies to them and has been propagandized for centuries. They have a desire for many of the same improvements the rest of us have (e.g. affordable healthcare), but they ignorantly turn to the snakeoil salesmen who promise them what they want. Perhaps we need to work on our own propaganda
But to answer your question, no I haven’t given up hope, and probably never will. Year after year I teach young compassionate people who, immediately desiring to change the world or not, will have a positive impact simply through their actions. It’s that proximity to the younger generation, which doesn’t give me hope, but gives me an immediate view of the people who will make a positive impact on our country and the world as a whole.
To that end perhaps, we need to identify that ‘hope is lost’ for our generation. We had the expectation that we would be the ones who would impart that change. I may have lost hope in that, and whether I live to see that change or not, I will never lose faith in those who come after us. I have seen far too much of what they are capable of.
Oh yeah. In 2020, when I saw how awful a huge part of my fellow citizens acted.
I think we’ll turn it around, though stuff like USAID is going to be difficult to bring back quickly. Institutions like NOAA will need to be rebuilt. There will need to be strong anti-corruption measures as well.
Considering USAID has always been a system primarily for regime change and undermining other countries, the pivot away from it and towards more overt control of other countries is a signifier of the US Empire losing its grasp on the rest of the world, which is fantastic news for the Global South.
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Nope. America has been through all of these things before. It’s why reading history gives me a lot of comfort.
Reading history and analyzing trends gives me comfort in knowing the genocidal settler colony of the US Empire can’t save itself for much longer, and a new, democratic, anti-Imperialist, de-colonial, Socialist state can take its place.
