Because there aren’t that many black people in those states in comparison. How is this even a post? The answer is so obvious with even a cursory knowledge of math.
People seem to think that gerrymandering can affect the presidential vote. It can not, since you win an entire state and its electoral college. Gerrymandering applies to state elections, like for example a congressman where you might redraw a voting district to aid an incumbant.
And for US House districts
That’s only if you look at a single election in isolation.
However, when you consider that it is state government that decide things like how many polling locations to have and where to put them, whether mail-on ballots are supported, voter ID requirements, etc. your statement becomes less accurate.
Can you gerrymander a Presidential election? No. Can gerrymandering lead directly to a change in future presidential election outcomes? Resoundingly yes
So i take it you have numbers of exactly how many black people versus white people voted in the presidential election? That would indicate gerrymandering having an effect. If not, then i cant really take it seriously.
I should clarify that i take the issue seriously, which is why i really dislike posts like this OP where they make dishonest or misguided claims that only fuels the opposition.
how to tell someone hasn’t gone to school lol. Learn to read loser. Here’s the Wikipedia link but I doubt you’ll be bothered to read it. Gerrymandering has been a fact of life in the U.S. for a long time.
Talk about reading comprehension.
OP talks about the presidential election. Gerrymandering doesn’t affect the presidential election, since you win by popular vote in the entire state.
At no point have i said that gerrymandering doesn’t exist or doesn’t happen. Now go touch grass.
I’m not sure why I need to provide that information for the most recent election? Nothing I said is controversial or logically disputable
I don’t give a shit about op in this context. I am responding to a claim that gerrymandering cannot change a Presidential election result and that is simply a demonstrably false statement. Whether it did or did not impact one specific election is irrelevant
And yet i made it illogical by presenting a question about the data. Without the data on the percentage of voters who actually managed to vote, according to race, you don’t have anything to back the claim. Doesn’t matter if you think it’s controversial or not. It is logically disputable.
I’m not going to educate you on how gerrymandering has direct downstream consequences on presidential election results.
It is so, so easy to find the information on that. Like, one Google search. Including data. I’m not going do your work for you. And I’m not going to play into the “if you don’t give me literally everything then your whole argument is null” fallacy.
How could you possibly dispute that state legislatures historically disenfranchise large populations of voters by targeting specific demographics? That this has reprecussions for presidential elections? And that gerrymandering is a major component of capturing state legislatures and governorships?
Stop trolling.
Ok, so no data then. Just your feeling.
Stop spreading shitty information.
My unwillingness to spoon feed you data is not proof of its absence. You are free to disregard arguments because you’re too lazy to look it up, but it just makes you look like a petulant child 🤷♀️
White people absolutely despise blacks in the South.
Imma let you in on a little secret. If your sentence starts with “all [category of people]” it is an incorrect and stupid sentence.
Do you also say “not all MAGAts!” ?
That’s not a category of person, it’s a political party.
Irrelevant
Not relevant to what? You’re not making any sense.
And I didnt say “all” in my original post. You said any time “all” is mentioned it’s stupid, then back tracked in defense of MAGAts. Political party is irrelevant
Please quote me where I defended trump supporters.
I think that ignoring statistical majorities because there are a handful of exceptions is pretty stupid unto itself.
You realize this sentiment makes it really hard to talk about demographics, right? It’s a very anti-systemic view of the world.
As a white person in the north, I absolutely despise whites in the south.
I knew some people in the South who never accepted the civil war loss and refused to work with or associate with Northerners. This was in the 90s. One got mad because I said to move on and act like an American and we almost wound up throwing hands over it.
I’m white and from the south and this is definitely not true for me. Now there are some people down here that definitely fall into that category but it is far from universally true. I’d even go so far as to say they are a small, but yes very vocal, minority.
Be real careful because even the ones you think arent racist and are super polite and nice will let it slip eventually.
Glad to be out of there
A “small but vocal minority” doesn’t keep institutional racist policies if “we the people” aren’t also voting for them.
You are doing yourself a disservice by assuming the ones being vocal about their beliefs are the only ones holding those beliefs.
That’s such a racist liberal northerner thing to say lmao
No it isnt. It’s from someone born there and who spent most of their life there.
You say that, but it sounds like you have never actually been to the southern US. I lived in Arkansas for 9 years and this kind of broad statement does more harm than good.
Parents from Arkansas. Born in Alabama. Raised in NC. Spent most of my life throughout the Southern US. I have a pretty real good idea. They’ll talk real nice and polite but invariably it will show at some point…every single time.
Also, if you’ve lived in Arkansas you are surrounded by people whose religion claims that black people are the Mark of Cain and are controlled by Satan. Dont let their outward demeanor fool you.
Hello there. Nice to meet you. My name is Jerry…Jerry Mander.
That’s Gerald Manderley the 3rd, ESQ to you, sport!
TIL - thank you!
Because a huge chunk of the population doesn’t vote.
Because a huge chunk of voters don’t have a progressive on their ballot
Unfortunately, that’s only 14.4% of the US population. Quite a few people think it’s far higher than that. It’s not.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/fact-sheet/facts-about-the-us-black-population/
Yes, but generally concentrated in the southern states
One might even say, the states where they were exploited as slave labor for hundreds of years, and lacked any generational wealth to move to better lands…
Edit: Lol, which confederate soldier’s great grandson downvoted this?
What ? Watching US movies, shows etc… I thought it’d be at least 30%
When surveyed, some people peg it as high as 50%, it’s not.
https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/41556-americans-misestimate-small-subgroups-population
2 main reasons are the church and the population numbers. A lot of people in the South go to church and get group-indoctrinated to right-wing political team ideology. The population numbers are an issue because black people are still a minority, although generally less of a minority in the South than most of the USA.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of percentage of black people per state alongside this to see if there is any correlation
Because of Bayes’s Theorem.
There are way more rascist crackers in Texas than you can possibly imagine. Makes sense when your state was founded by assholes and slave traffickers helping the US states acquire more slaves after direct import was banned. Remember, the Alamo was full of colonist insurgents taking land to continue slavery.
Voter suppression.
Imo because of repression and not having access to quick and easy voting.
The GOP fuckers gerrymander the shit out of any place they can get their sweaty hands on. So that doesn’t help. Makes the people feel like no matter what, they won’t be heard, won’t make a difference. Then the Cons limit the ballot boxes, limit the hours for voting, limit mail in voting… Anything they can do to keep people from voting. They know they win as long as no one shows up.
It’s disgusting and very undemocratic. Everyone needs access to voting— easy and convenient voting. I also think voting should be compulsory (by mail).
This is why Black republicans scare me. Like, dude, do you not see with your eyes what is happening??
They think they have made it into the in-group and will be spared. As history has proven time and time again, they will not.
Racists tend to be Republican, but not all Republicans are racist. I imagine most black Republican voters are voting right for the same reason everyone else does. Ultimately everyone is the same, black or not.
Voter apathy and vote suppression. Republicans are enhancing that lately, too.
I’m guessing OP hasn’t paid attention to the tons of weird, arbitrary rules Republicans in the South added to make it as difficult as possible to vote in blue districts in the South. Hell, a quick Google search answers the question immediately without having to scroll past a few links.
This. Also things like this: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/05/trump-praises-georgia-election-board/74674946007/
Gerrymandering too. I’d consider that separate from other forms of vote suppression.
Gerrymandering doesn’t really apply to presidential elections, at least not directly.
Ah yes, packing and cracking the obviously unethical way of manipulating votes so they don’t count as much. A southern tradition.
Southern?! It’s an ALL AMERICAN tradition!
Because the south is also full of dumbass white rednecks. Duh…
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And the gerrymandering. However, I heard the Dems have been at it as well to regain some ground.
