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      The authorities wouldn’t send the National Guard if they thought they could just ignore you. So i’d say this is a success.

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        Trump doesn’t need to understand this for it to be true, but the gov right now depends a lot on opporating in the dark to get away with massively illegal and unethical actions that would harm public opinions and reactions. By forcing them to opporate in public with the press focused on the protests makes them face accountability.

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        I predicted over six months ago that the US wouldn’t make it past July 4th, 2025. Only a few weeks away and reporters are being shot by police and posse comitatus has been violated. Soon the actual armed forces of your nation will be in the streets and you will have a choice to make.

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          No, they’ll keep escalating through next summer. By then, we’ll have had hyperinflation, food shortages, Luigi’s trial, deportations of naturalized/ birthright citizens, arrests of elected officials, etc. and things will get really ugly. That’s when the MAGA Nazis will have their Tiananmen Square moment, probably in multiple cities, and HitlerPig will declare Martial Law, and suspend the Midterm election for the first time in American history. That will protect his Congressional majorities, and keep the Democrats from gaining any investigative, subpoena, or arrest powers. Once elections are suspended, he’s president forever.

          THAT will be the end.

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          Meh…this reminds me of the Portland riots a few years ago. Shit was crazy and really intense but the U.S. didn’t fall apart if that is what you are alluding to. We just kept on picking up our shovels and shovelling shit.

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            Portland doesn’t control anything in the US. It’s not even among the top 10 cities. LA is a totally different deal.

            Even LA won’t mean the end of the government, but a military attack on one of the biggest cities in America is a enormous warning to the resistance that the MAGA Nazis are willing to do ANYTHING.

            If any other nation launched a military attack on LA, we would absolutely consider it an act of war, and if the MAGA Nazis use the military against American citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights, ALL American citizens should also consider it an act of war against us by our own government.

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              Yup…and what will we do about it? Nothing. They could blow up California and we still wouldnt do shit. Pearl Harbor, cold war, 9/11, foreign enemy? We got you covered buddy. Put micro transactions in Battlefront 2. We got you covered buddy. Throw a Nazi salute on live TV…we miiiiight stop buying your product…seems like we are making some progress there. Reverse Roe v Wade…hmm…

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                It’s still early, HitlerPig hasn’t even been in power for 6 months, and look how much chaos he’s caused. We couldn’t have imagined this a year ago.

                It can get much worse, and it will, if for no other reason than he intends to push the American people relentlessly until they do fight back. Then he can justify hurting them.

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    “Insurrectionists carrying foreign flags are attacking immigration enforcement officers, while one half of America’s political leadership has decided that border enforcement is evil,” Vice President JD Vance said in a post on X Saturday night.

    Big yikes. “Insurrectionists”? Bloody hell.

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      How is a peaceful protest in LA an “Insurrection,” while violently attacking cops and raiding the Capitol to stop the certification of the vote, is not?

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        Conservatism was the original reactionary movement, and it essentially sought to restore the nobility within democracy, complete with the different rules applying to said ingroup. Modern conservatism only differing in the sense that its supporters really want to become part of said ingroup.

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          conservatism/liberterinism,dont realize the ingroups, are the oligarchs only.

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    Realistically, the rioters are going to eventually be condemned by the peaceful protestors, and the general population will soon follow, thus giving support for law enforcement to squash them and end the fiasco. This has been the case for a loooooong time.

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        Ah yes, I’m sure those peaceful protesters during the civil rights movement didn’t care about the cause they were protesting for.

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          The civil rights movement succeeded because the authorities were made to realize that if they didn’t play ball with MLK, folks like Malcolm X and Huey Newton were the alternative.

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            That’s just false, civil rights weren’t achieved through intimidation. The movement succeeded because it achieved it’s objective through peaceful means. The movement organized peaceful protests to raise awareness and bring attention to the issues, they organized and fought legal battles challenging the status quo, they created institutions to help campaign for their causes, and disavowed violence to win over the general public. It is the prime example in history what peaceful protesting can achieve.

            The civil rights movement is not alone, other movements like the suffragette movements in the West, the Salt Marches in India, the Singing revolution in the Baltics, and so on all achieved momentous things peacefully.

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              the suffragette movements in the West

              You mean this suffragette movement?

              When by 1903 women in Britain had not been enfranchised, Pankhurst decided that women had to “do the work ourselves”; the WSPU motto became “deeds, not words”. The suffragettes heckled politicians, tried to storm parliament, were attacked and sexually assaulted during battles with the police, chained themselves to railings, smashed windows, carried out a nationwide bombing and arson campaign…


              the Salt Marches in India,

              Why is India partitioned, then? (Hint: take a look at the Muslim League’s tactics and goals.)


              the Singing revolution in the Baltics

              Kind of a special case; the USSR collapsed all by itself and didn’t try to oppose them.

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                You mean this suffragette movement?

                Yes. It was a peaceful movement. Their goals weren’t achieved through violence.

                Why is India partitioned, then?

                The goal of the movement was to end British rule over the subcontinent, and they achieved that goal.

                Kind of a special case; the USSR collapsed all by itself and didn’t try to oppose them.

                You’re not giving these people their credit. The Soviet Union was filled with violent factions that wanted to prevent dissolution and the end of communism. These people managed to literally sing their way to independence.

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        True, but they also ended the same way. There’s people at out here thinking this is the start of some revolution, and that’s just delusional. This is just run of the mill urban unrest. We’ve had it before and we’re for sure going to have it again in the future.

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    What’s to stop Cali national guard from ignoring Orange man? Or maybe I have been watching/reading too much fiction.

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      They swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. They have a duty to ignore, report, or even actively resist an unconstitutional command.

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      The national guard is under federal control. California will have its own state guard.

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      Their feelings. Soldiers are humans, not machines. They will go with their hearts and minds to decide whom they fight for.

      Hopefully, they will decide to side with the good guys, not Agent ‘Krasnov’ Orange.

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      Drawing the ire of the federal government. If their commander refuses, he’ll be removed and replaced with someone who will comply.

      That commander is appointed by the CA governor, and I don’t see Newsom fighting the feds on this (or much of anything, really, so far it’s only been joint lawsuits against economic issues). Conceivably, Trump could argue that when federalized, he could remove the commander himself and appoint an interim commander, or just leave it unfilled and have DoD control them directly.

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      Drones, everyone should be looking at fiber optic drones. If for no other reason than you can put one in the sky with a thermal camera above your home.

      Hell it doesn’t even need to have a fiber optic cable, having that information is very valuable.

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      On it. Now I just need friends. If you see a guy in green, that might be me.

      I figure we need a suitable color to separate ourselves from the politics of yore.