The home, which was run by an order of Catholic nuns and closed in 1961, was one of many such institutions that housed tens of thousands of orphans and unmarried pregnant women who were forced to give up their children throughout much of the 20th century.
In 2014, historian Catherine Corless tracked down death certificates for nearly 800 children who died at the home in Tuam between the 1920s and 1961 — but could only find a burial record for one child.
Satanic Panic was projection.
If we do shit like this, imagine what they could do!
Yeah, and the irony is that in the Bible, Lucifer never even asked for an animal or human sacrifice, but god did.
Excellent name.
Also, under the Christian dogma, Satan has no authority beyond what God allows. Who then is truly responsible for his actions?
Satan is God’s QA guy. Maybe a bit more prone to destructive testing than he really needs to be.
The serpent never even told Eve to eat the fruit (the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, why would God create such a tree and why wouldn’t he want humans to have such knowledge? So stupid). All it did was tell her that it was an option.
Not to mention they literally had no concept of good and evil prior to eating it. Therefore they literally could not have known disobeying God was a bad thing. It’s all just so fucking ridiculous that people buy this shit.
I asked that question when I was a kid in catechism class. To the credit of the Dominican brother who was teaching the class, he wasn’t reactive, but later had a side-talk with me about demanding logical consistency from allegory. But that realization planted the seed that eventually led to my abandoning religion.
Yeah it’s absurd. Even if taken completely allegorical.
If we go after things that weren’t said in the Bible then hell as we imagine should be among the first. Maybe that’s the reason clergy are so beyond repair?
And while we are at it, the description of hell we used to is Dante’s storytelling of Hieronymus Bosch’s interpretation of an Irish monk’s account of a early medieval Cork knight’s ba
gd trip.Since Dante died almost 2 centures before H. Bosch, that’s some insightful storytelling.
Ok I fucked up the time line, apologies. Swap Bosch and Dante but the rest holds. Check out “Visio Tnugdali”.
The band names are thick in the comments.
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My brain took a moment to register the word infant. As in the child was already born.
But abortion is immoral, right?
nope, not if you wait for 9 months before exercising that option, apparently.
Not in the 4th trimester
Flush alligators not children.
Maybe don’t flush alligators either.
You seem biased.
Sick bunch of Penguins.
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How do they determine age with a DNA test? Wouldn’t say look at the remains from the death baby’s? I have questions.
Probably radiocarbon dating?
The article is crap. The DNA is used to ID siblings, relatives. That’s however not the only thing they got wrong
See here for example: The true horror of Irish mother and baby homes | ARTE.tv Documentary
Thank you for the arte documentary. Will watch it immediately.
Here is some more links on the disturbing stuff:
dna gives you parent gives you when they were there? assuming they kept records of who lived there.
But that would mean they collected maternal samples as well. And they didn’t say that. In the 60s that is highly unlikely.
databases just kind of exist
See my reply to a different comment.
no. if you’re going to be that lazy, don’t bother.
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I don’t know how the laws are in different countries but just analysing and matching them against anyone sounds highly illegal to me. Next, people need to first be sequenced. Unless they asked them, how do they have their data if they are highly private.
Maybe my question was misleading: for me it sounded like they only analysed the infant DNA and did not perform matches etc. if they used skull size etc to identify the victims it wasn’t a DNA analysis to identify the victim.
DNA analysis found that the ages of the dead ranged from 35 weeks gestation to 3 years.
Ok, atrocities aside, how the hell can you tell age from DNA? DNA doesn’t change as you age.
This is probably from poor medical care.
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There are thousands of diseases that historically kill newborns. Modern medicine helps with a lot of them from vitamins to antibiotics to surgical interventions.
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You have a serious case of “didnt read the article” going on here. The deaths were already recorded - they were known and nobody was hiding the deaths. They were hiding the bodies.
They pulled up the septic tank because there werent any graves for all the death certificates. This is improper burials. The reason there are so many deaths is likely just poor medical care as the article notes the place closed in the 1960s.
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Not really abortion if it’s post-birth, is it? Once they’re born, if you kill them, that’s simply murder. The line is drawn at birth. Otherwise, where do you draw the line? “Billy was killed at age 13 months and Tommy was killed at age 11 months. Thus Billy was murdered and Tommy was post-birth aborted…” No. They’re both murdered.
Not really abortion if it’s post-birth, is it? Once they’re born, if you kill them, that’s simply murder.
which is exactly what they wrote:
no this is post-birth abortion… aka murder….
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No it’s not. Most of the infants died from bacterial or viral infections.
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well beat my record.
What?!!
If your society cannot or will not support an unmarried pregnant woman on her own, your society is a failed one.
I’m old enough to remember everyone getting all bent out of shape by Sinead O’Connor ripping up a picture of the Pope.
She was a couple of years early, but right.
It’s worth mentioning that Joe Pesci did SNL the following week and said “I would have gave [sic] her such a smack. I would’ve grabbed her by her … eyebrows.” AFAIK he has never apologized for this.
Not only Joe Pesci, also Madonna and others. But fuck Joe Pesci for not even apologizing after her death.
NBC did not rebroadcast the live performance unedited until 2025, when it was featured in the documentary film Ladies & Gentlemen… 50 Years of SNL Music. In it, Lorne Michaels stated that he had “admired the bravery of what she’d done, and also the absolute sincerity of it”, though no mention was made of prior negative comments from him or the show.
Oh FUCK Lorne Michaels. What a lying sack of dog feces.
I remember that and I still listen to Mandika.
Sometimes, all it takes to be ostracised and threatened is to be the first to say something that’s true.
She didn’t really explain much at the time though, and when she did it never got a lot of publicity. People thought she was just attacking Catholics as a whole.
All most people saw was her ripping up a picture, going “fight the real enemy” and then a bunch of smear articles about her going mental.
I like how everyone claims all religion is fucked up but there’s only one where this is actually extremely common… and the other religion that is mass adopted has different problems.
Mixing religion with political policy here is the problem.
You’re in the vast minority here simping for religion
I’m agnostic. I just don’t think atheism is my religion, unlike some of the people on this thread.
Most people have watched religion destroy lives. In fact we all have. Just a matter of admitting it. It doesn’t require any sort of special magical thinking to admit that.
The problem is religion.
Go back to /r/atheism.
I like how everyone claims all religion is fucked up but there’s only one where this is actually extremely common
what
I feel like maybe only people who have vaginas and can get pregnant should have a say in the whole abortion rights issue. So I’ll step aside and just mention that my drainage system has zero bodies in it. So you know, like most normal people should probably have more voice than the Catholic church with rapist priests and 800 abortion bodies in their drain pipes. But yes, we should all be allowed to present evidence :).
Just a note infant <> aborted…these were likely babies born and died of disease and preventable causes.
So much to hate about this situation; but I don’t think abortion debate is relevant here.
Yeah it was a gut feel…then read the comment… Even much worse.
