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Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, ripped Donald Trump for his military attack against Iran on Saturday, saying the move is “absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
Ocasio-Cortez ripped the president’s action on X, formerly Twitter, and wrote, “The President’s disastrous decision to bomb Iran without authorization is a grave violation of the Constitution and Congressional War Powers. He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations. It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.”
On the other hand, Senator John Fetterman, a Pennsylvania Democrat, came to Trump’s side and wrote on X, “As I’ve long maintained, this was the correct move by @POTUS. Iran is the world’s leading sponsor of terrorism and cannot have nuclear capabilities. I’m grateful for and salute the finest military in the world.”
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he’s been impeached. what’s another one gonna do except distract everyone while he continues to war?
With three, stamps, you get a free impeachment.
Well it’s not like Congress is busy approving or funding a war. They’ve got time.
IMO this is business as usual thinking.
The left needs to push for a vote to get Congress on the record where they stand.
And even if it doesn’t pass, getting some Republicans to vote yes would be a big win and a first step towards checking TACO.
If the senate actually has balls, they can remove him from office. Impeachment doesnt inherently carry consequences. The senate determines consequence
The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”
The older I get, the more I feel like the Senate is essentially the means through which corporations and the capital class defeat any popular movement. Our Constitution was written mostly by drunk, privileged, rich kids. I think sometimes you can really smell the disdain for lower classes in the way everything is built.
So long as there are classes then so it will be.
Caesar felt the same way.
I guess, but I am referring more to that there should only be a House of Representatives, and that the Senate serves no purpose other than to represent corporate interests and tamp down on popular sentiment.
And I’m saying that Ancient Rome only had a senate (no house or senate branches) and their corruption reached a point to where the ideal of a dictator was an improvement over the status quo.
Many Americans thought this. But the best they could come up with was Trump???
Mmm, I understand you now. That’s fair.
The whole lot, with very few exceptions do.
Can’t believe I lived to see the fall of the Republic and rise of the TACO Triumvirate 🥹
Elon Musk is not Pompey.
Elon would probably think he’s Crassus, except no one actually likes him.
The first two times were like a jury declaring a person guilty, and then the judge came in for sentences and said, “eh but did he really do it? I sentence you to… no punishment.”
Not quite. The first two times were like a grand jury returning an indictment. That’s the House’s part of the equation. They have a vote requiring 50% of members to vote to impeach the president, effectively indicting him. The Senate then has to hold a trial that which takes a 67% vote to convict him and remove him from office.
Saying he has been impeached twice but not removed from office is the equivalent of saying someone has been indicted twice but not convicted. He hasn’t yet been convicted.
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Um, *raises hand* point of parliamentary procedure; people are suffering and quite literally dying right now. It’s already extremely ugly.
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No, the reason was Reds protecting their guy and refusing to hold him to account. Even if what you suggested were part of their motivation, the optics of Trump refusing accountability and literally being dragged out, hasn’t been paying attention to the optics that Trump himself brings to the US and the GOP, specifically. It’s a pretty shit justification.
The moment they decide he’s removed, he has no authority to stop them from removing him. Sec Serv wouldn’t listen to him. He’d be an 80 year old man hiding behind a door.
clearly grounds for impeachment
…add it to the pile, I guess.
But considering that impeachment is a legal process and that the current administration has zero respect for or inclination to follow the law, it’s not like it’ll accomplish shit. Dude needs to be deposed by those who have sworn to defend the constitution from domestic threats (the military) not run through some formal process.
Impeachment is specifically NOT a legal process but a political one. Trump’s second impeachment acquittal was based on impeachment being a political process, and that the criminal justice system was the correct venue for J6.
That’s also why the Justice department policy on not charging a sitting president and the SCOTUS ruling that Presidents are immune from prosecution are bullshit.
I mean, in practice, I guess yeah. On paper, it’s initiated by a political process, but ultimately it’s a criminal investigation. The acquittal was due to the process being wrongfully politicized. In a system that actually followed its own rules, he’d have been indicted and imprisoned for the crimes he’s committed against the US.
The system we have will, at best, put on a dog-and-pony show, call it “impeachment”, and try to pass that off as actual justice like it did last time.
run through
Sounds downright piratey, but that’ll work, too.
Fuck Fetterman that piece of shit.
I hope he gets out of politics and gets treatment. I grew up in Pittsburgh and just wince every time I see what he has become. He used to come out to parties in my social group! He was always a spoiled rich kid but this post-stroke John is something else.
Nah fuck his treatment, just get him the fuck out of office. He’s way beyond the point where I care about his personal well-being anymore.
Maybe at the level of the media game, sure, but you absolutely do care if there’s one less crazy person in the world, we all do.
I’m saying this because John was at one time a friend to me. Genuinely I don’t expect you to care about his well-being. I figured that the point of my comment was that he needs to step down immediately; I think people seem to think I’m asking you for sympathy.
Understandable.
If we all do the work on ourselves, the world will look very different in a decade. If we all focus on healing, our earth can heal.
Gotta be a some kind of link between brain damage and rabid conservatism.
Boomers and Gen X suffer permanent brain damage due to lead poisoning that directly correlates to their radicalized views.
What explains yours?
weak
There is. You gotta be brain damaged to be conservative.
Naw, you can also just be rich and an asshole. Brain damage is easier to get though
Considering that studies have shown that conservatives have smaller regions of the brain than normal in the areas that are attributed to things like empathy and compassion - yes, yes there is.
He opened the Pandora Box… get to a shelter…
Kendrick Lamar “It’s not enough.” I want him removed and charged for all the harm and civil rights violations and war crimes. No President has ever been held accountable, So you can start with him.
Nixon was. They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia, but went with lying about adultery.
They could have impeached Clinton for Bosnia
Why? Forgive my ignorance, balkan history is hard.
He violated both UN and NATO charters, iirc. Imo, intervention was necessary, because the Serbs were ethnically cleansing the Croats and Muslims, and Western Europe was dragging feet, but he violated the law and badly mishandled the intervention.
I don’t know for certain, but I think you might be mixing up Kosovo and Bosnia. Because I know he illegally (by international law) bombed Yugoslavia for the Kossovar Albanians (which some argue hastened and exacerbated the ethnic cleansing of the Albanians, which aligns quite well with the timeline, especially considering there was a concrete diplomatic alternatice proposed by both sides), but he got approval for this. Famously, Bernie Sanders voted in favor. So while it should earn him a trip to the Hague, he didn’t violate any domestic laws that I’m aware of.
But again, Yugoslavia in the 90s is crazy complicated, and there’s so much I don’t know, so maybe I’m just completely wrong here.
Maybe, I could have sworn it was Bosnia, and I can’t really research it right now. I have a project to prepare for and settle into, my apologies if I’m wrong.
The US is 😴😴😴😴😴😴😴😴
I don’t disagree that bombing Iran puts us at risk of starting a war we don’t want to be involved in. However I think the public is too split on the matter to put majority support behind impeachment.
Conservative circles themselves appear divided with some saying the display of force was necessary and avoided direct conflict (minimizing operational costs), some saying the President is authorized to conduct these actions under the War Powers Resolution of 1973, and some voicing dissent or disapproval altogether of this action.
The War Powers Resolution will probably be the loophole that conservative outlets use to claim that Trump has done nothing wrong. I don’t know if there’s been an exercise of this authority without congressional approval that has lead to the targeted country declaring war as a result. If this were to happen, maybe there will be clear grounds to impeach, but I don’t think the public will display a majority support for it to happen.
I agree that for practical purposes there is not the support for impeachment. But I do think that every unconstitutional thing he does should be called out with the simple but direct message that ‘impeachment and removal is the only remedy to a corrupt and unconstitutional POTUS’. We should say that over and over and over so that takes on its own meaning and the public is ready for it when sentiment inevitably brings us to the point it is actually possible.
Keep screaming impeachment when clearly that doesn’t work…he belongs in jail ya know for being a 34 count felon rapist seditionous traitor.
You know that that also did not work, right?
Yes clearly.
America is a shit show. Americans have shown they are ok with this.
Assuming the election wasn’t hacked, yeah…
I have my doubts about the election (and I’m a big data engineer with a cyber security cert)
Don’t bunch us all up with the government. The government is ok with it being a shit show. Many voted against it. Many of us don’t agree.
Sadly very true.
Those with the authority to do their jobs and jail trump willfully abdicated their responsibility to do so. Yeah, there absolutely is a subset of this population aggressively driving us toward an oligarchy and authoritarian kleptocracy, but the majority of American citizens would prefer to see the law upheld. We don’t want a three-tiered legal system, the bottom jails first and throws away the key, the middle bleeds you dry with legal costs, and the top has no rules or consequences.
traitor
Yeah, that’s the problem with Trump, he’s not a loyal patriot…
This one might actually stick since the Republican party is split over this.
fuck Newsweek.
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Thankfully you’re not in charge of Iran.
Sorry but EU is neither a lapdog nor responsible for the disaster you voted for. We aren’t really asking for much these days, either. Business is good and new deals with China are boosting the economy.
Like Obama’s action against Libya? 🤔
Look, I don’t like Trump either, but this is the same bullshit threat Republicans dropped when Obama was President.
Agreed. Except Netanyahu, a genocidal prick pulling the puppet strings of the White House for years, didn’t goad Obama into that. Obama made that terrible decision alone.
Trump is a manbaby who’s easily manipulated.
We’d have to prove that Trump was inappropriately influenced by an outside power before I support impeachment. Even though my gut tells me he probably traded bombs for a bucket of fried chicken…
Really? Even though he blatantly defied the constitution and attacked a foreign state out of nowhere without approval? That isn’t enough, he also needs to be stupid and easily manipulated (which he obviously is based on the mountains of evidence) before you want to hold him accountable?
Go fuck yourself.
I will go fuck myself. But let’s be fair. Clinton and Obama both dropped bombs(Obama did it theu drone strikes) on Iraq and other places like Yeman. Must be realistic about what “impeachable offenses” are and since “official acts” are off the table for presidential prosecution we should look to see if an act was “unofficial” i.e. illegal.
Fuck your red herring. They should’ve been punished too. Continue to go fuck yourself.
Well, I truly believe Trump is evil and should be impeached and thrown of out office, I just don’t think it will be for this unless an inside can provide proof that Trump did it for reasons, “OTHER Than self defense”, it’s just too easy for our Presidents to say, “I felt like Iran was a threat that constituted an emergency and then decided to act in order to protect America.”.
Over all, we’ve just given the PResident far too much power.
And I agree with your previous statement, he should have had authorization from somewhere, like a defense subcommittee or joint congressional/bi-partisan panel. This is something we should probably fix for the future…
How do you know who influenced Obama’s decisions?
Wasn’t right then, and isn’t right now.
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If Congress wants the power to declare war back they need to repeal the war powers act.
I’m a bit confused. Isn’t the War Powers Act what gives congress the power to declare war, and the president can only do so if the US is DIRECTLY attacked? Someone more educated in US constitutional acts please correct me if I’m wrong, I know post-9/11 a lot of stuff got…“suspended in times of need”.
The war powers act makes it lawful for a president to take military action against any country, provided Congress is notified within 48 hours of that action. Then a president gets 60 days + 30 “withdrawal” to wage any war they want without congressional approval. Furthermore it’s been ruled violations are basically irrelevant if troops are gone before the matter gets to the supreme court.
Clinton and Obama both violated this law with 0 consequences. Trump might also violate the law, but we won’t know for 90 days.
This is the right answer. Trump is absolutely a piece of garbage, and I think he was wrong for attacking Iran, but at this point I don’t think he’s broken any laws by attacking Iran.
I see, thank you for the explanation! I only learned about it in school within the context of Nixon and Vietnam during history class.
Shut the fuck up, Fetterman.
Would love for something to happen, but we all know nothing will.
Every day the Criminal in Chief commits impeachable crimes. Every. Day.
This is just the latest. But Congress is currently packed with illegitimate, undemocratically placed criminal cronies who face no accountability while shielding their criminal collaborators from accountability. So here we are.
