• baltakatei@sopuli.xyz
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    You’d have a revolution on your hands if hard working people suddenly realized what they were missing when the 3-month vacation is denied them the next year.

    • 𝔗𝚎𝚑 𝔅𝚊𝚖𝚜𝚔𝚒@lemmy.world
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      I can only hope that the US goes through a revolution in the near future. I’m so tired of hearing about how poorly treated we are compared to other countries around the world. American #1 my ass. The things that the US ranks high in are considered the worst things to be highly ranked in. (Unless you’re a lunatic, dictator, oligarchy at wits’ end, etc.

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    I feel this so much. I just want to have a few consecutive months off in a row and then I’ll be good to go for the rest of the year

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      as another user in the comments here put it quite well:

      we shouldn’t be laughing at the people in the US just because we’re fucked in the ass with slightly more lube.

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    We shouldn’t be limited to a summer break we should do seasonal breaks instead. I would cover the summer season if someone else would cover my autumn or winter.

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      Actually, no. Not according to the research. (Which I can’t find right now; just in a quick break.)

      Essentially, somewhere (?) had the whole region take vacation at the same time, if possible. (Not essential services and obviously vacation businesses, lol). They found much greater benefits when there’s a large chunk of the population all off at the same time, and makes everyone happier (even those who have to still work).

      They think the reasons are twofold:

      1. We’re social creatures, and being able to connect with people meaningfully depends on them also being available at the same time.
      2. When the region is on “vacation”, everyone gets more relaxed/chill, even those who are still working. Basically “vibes”. (They were a lot more technical in the study, lol).

      Sorry I can’t link it, but something like “everyone who can be is off from July 15-August 15” would have big societal benefits.

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      Who should tell the farm workers?

      Let the migrant labor let them know, they’ll keep the farm going while they’re out for an extra 10% for the month.

      Wait, The CALLED ICE?

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          Depends where you are and what you’re farming. Planting(in the spring) and harvesting(in the fall) are usually the most intensive parts of the year for farm work so actually a lot of times summer is slower for farm work (relative to spring and fall)

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    There’s enough people and money in the world that everyone could take 6 months off and we’d still maintain 90s levels of productivity.

    I’d be fine with that.

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    Universal basic income could help us achieve this. There are people working right now to make this a reality in America

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      In controlled environments, maybe — however those controlled environments still interact with currently established economies.

      I’m just not convinced that UBI scaled up will actually result in anything other than what takes place in the Expanse.

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        They stole our data to train AI. So, if in the future that robots displaced the vast majority of jobs, then tax the robots to fund UBI.

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        I think it’s less the interaction with currently established economies and more that it would never pass without lobbyists Congressmen sabotaging the law to make it fail and then using that to say, “See!? UBI doesn’t work (when you set it up to fail)!”

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          I mean, yes — but the reality is that universal basic income dictates that everyone gets the money.

          For instance, let’s say Congress allows the perfect UBI bill to be put forth. For whatever Bizarro World reason you can conjure, because we both agree that they would never agree.

          What happens next? We’ve already seen what regulatory capture has done to sectors like real estate. Corpos buy up shitloads of land, whether it’s individuals looking to be land barons or alongside corporate interests.

          How would true UBI result in anything other than higher prices? Seriously, in the current markets that exist within the United States — how, without some kind of serious societal and economic shift prior to it’s introduction, would this actually play out?

          Maybe it’s better in other democracies, I actually can’t really argue for any other nation — I can only apply this concept to what I already know. I just think UBI is a concept that can only exist in a place entirely separate from corporate greed, and that is definitely not the United States.

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            So you’re saying that UBI would lead to higher costs of living, because companies can charge more because people can spend more.

            Then, explain to me, how did it come that in the 1960s, Americans were wealthy? How could they afford so much stuff back then? Corporate greed already existed back then; why didn’t it just eat up the wealth of the citizens?

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              Lack of safety regulations that allowed people to be slowly poisoned by cheap materials or die in freak accidents, siphoning resources from the rest of the world through soft and hard political power, and not being destroyed from WW2 while Europe was recovering

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                not being destroyed from WW2 while Europe was recovering

                i would argue that it was largely this, plus the states added a ridiculous amount of industrial capacity in WW2. i like to use california as my example. it was a small western state before the war. then they needed 3-5 million more people on the west coast to build warships (and support the people building warships) so california’s population nearly doubled in 20 years (per the US Census 1930: 5,677,251 people; 1940: 6,907,387 people; 1950: 10,586,223 people). I recognize my view is a touch biased because i knew a lot of people at the old submarine shipyard.

                a huge victory for keynesian economics. it’s my go to example whenever monetarists start talking like they’re the only school that matters (don’t get me started they both work and have their benefits and drawbacks i was in micro and just like winding up the macro dudes).

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              Oh, don’t get me wrong — my position has never been that UBI can’t work under the right conditions.

              My position is that UBI cannot work without very major changes first. I don’t doubt that UBI can inject a lot of good into an individual’s standard of living — without some kind of regulation associated with it, which requires those regulatory agencies to not be inherently corrupt, UBI seems impossible.

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      There was a time back when this was possible.

      Bikers back in the day would work construction or some other hard labor for half the year and then hit the road for 2-4 months.

      The partial working income was enough to cover all thier bills, the bike/gear, motel stays and drinking.

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        the retirement goal is to be a year round camp host for the park system. I’d say national park, but my favorite is a state park and i don’t expect the US national park system to exist in, uh, carry the two, 2065 when I am finally allowed to either die or retire.

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        I kind of do this. I high rig for concerts in the summer, then fuck off the rest of the year.

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        People still do this. I have a buddy who only works 3-4 months a year. Hes a pipeline welder so long hours and hard work, but then he travels around the rest of the time

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          It works for them because their work is high skill and always useful, general office work like mine (dev) is impossible to find a job if you were to immediately quit. It’s quite different when you’re competing against thousands of cheap IT graduates looking to flock to your country and work for pennies on the dollar.

          BTW not saying I’m anti immigration, it’s just the way the tech space is right now.

          Not American but I’ve heard American companies hire foreigners because they can wage slave them with Visa entrapment, no Visa and you’re deported. People that are trying to improve their life are just taken advantage of.

          I haven’t heard of anything like that happening to tradespeople

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            I think it’s more because pipeline work is inherently unstable so they get paid a lot but it’s for short contracts. Plus it means businesses are more used to transient workers.

            Like my buddy can clear $80k in 3 months working 100hr weeks. There’s no IT job in the world that would give you those kinds of hours.

            And yeah, American companies sometimes use the visa trap to get workers. But don’t pretend thats a uniquely American phenomenon haha