• Final Remix@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      6 个月前

      I used to love that movie until one night as a small child, something just snapped in me and I ran into my mom’s room bawling my eyes out. I couldn’t explain why at that age, but the movie felt so wrong from that point forward.

    • scoobydoo27@lemmy.zipEnglish
      134·
      6 个月前

      I hate all animal cruelty but shit against cats makes me the angriest. What the fuck is wrong with people? These creatures love and trust us and we treat them in terrible ways.

    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      64·
      6 个月前

      Oh, damn. I just made this same comment before scrolling down further and seeing yours.

      Come to find out the whole thing was filmed in China.

      • orange_squeezer@lemm.eeEnglish
        61·
        6 个月前

        Not sure why that’s relevant in any way, especially when it was made in Japan.

        Not to mention the fact that there has never been confirmation of animal abuse in the movie, per the snopes article linked under your prior comment.

        • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          1·
          6 个月前

          I checked. It was Japan and not China, but the relevancy is that the US in the 80’s wouldn’t have been allowed to throw a cat off a cliff or get ones pay bitten by a lobster or tossed in a river. Snopes not confirming anything is irrelevant, since there’s actual footage of this stuff happening. Do you have a stress free way of throwing a kitten off of a cliff?

          https://youtu.be/06jP6yqWEXE

  • M137@lemmy.worldEnglish
    181·
    6 个月前

    I have never heard of this movie or the whole franchise (did some searching) before. It’s not even something I have seen anything about and wasn’t interested, I’ve literally never seen or heard anything about any of this. But I’m not surprised, nothing as big as Disney exists without many skeletons in the closet. Haven’t given them any money since I was a teenager, and that won’t ever change.

  • Xylight@lemdro.idEnglish
    24·
    6 个月前
    Transcription

    An American Humane Certified Safety Representative visited the Snow Buddies set on the first day of filming. Fifteen Golden Retriever puppies were on set and fifteen other were being treated by a local veterinarian, and their illnesses were eventually diagnosed as Giardia and Coccidia. On request from the representative the remaining puppies on set received additional veterinary checks. Twenty-five of the puppies were from an American breeder and five were from a Canadian breeder. It was discovered that the puppies were approximately 8 weeks old, which lead to the belief that the puppies were only 6 weeks old when they were brought by the trainer to the movie set. Per the USDA it was at the time illegal to transport puppies under the age of 8 weeks.

    After the removal of all 30 puppies, 28 older Golden Retriever puppies were brought in to continue filming. All of the 28 older puppies were exposed to parvovirus. Five of the puppies died, and up to six others fell ill after exposure to the virus.

    As a result, the film was not permitted to use the “No animals were harmed…” disclaimer and received an “Unacceptable” marking from the American Humane Association.

  • VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    561·
    6 个月前

    Hoooooly shit I knew productions with animals were usually darker than they seem but Snow Buddies??? Snow Buddies was built on the back of mass puppy casualty???

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    414·
    6 个月前

    If you’re shocked by capital murdering puppies, wait until you find out about the animal torture/murder industry, enslaved labor, etc.

    The puppies are just the tip of the meatberg.

    • x00z@lemmy.worldEnglish
      610·
      6 个月前

      The meat eaters are not going to be happy with this comment. :^)

        • nyctre@lemmy.worldEnglish
          83·
          6 个月前

          You never heard the joke before? “How do you know if someone is vegan? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you”

          But in all seriousness now… every group out there, no matter how moral or good or whatever will always have extremists and people like this that will give the group a bad name. Unfortunately, veganism has a lot of these. Which is a shame, because we really need more vegans.

          • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            6 个月前

            And it’s also evolutionary fortification that we make a choice that works out well for us through real metrics or confirmation bias and we broadcast it to everyone else.

            • nyctre@lemmy.worldEnglish
              61·
              6 个月前

              Yeah, because calling everyone “meateaters” and pretending they’re all equal and that killing puppies to make make a movie and eating chicken is the same thing. Yeah, that’s a perfectly normal and healthy way to spread the message.

              People would be a lot more open to discussion and change if you weren’t so confrontational. The fact that you felt the need to disagree with someone that said the world needs more vegans proves my point, I’m pretty sure, but whatever, you do you.

              • itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                56·
                6 个月前

                I’m sorry, but this is giving me massive “of course I support feminism, but <insert activist> goes too far/is too hysteric” vibes. You can suggest better communication strategies, of course (or better yet, use them yourself), if you think you know better how to convince people to stop killing animals. But only criticizing vegans for their tone, and then finishing with “I think the world needs more vegans” does not make you sound supportive at all.

                I’m gonna ask the dreaded question then: If you think the world needs more vegans, are you vegan? And if not, would you be if vegans were less rude to you?

                • nyctre@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  4·
                  6 个月前

                  Heavily reduced meat and animal product consumption but not yet vegan, no. It requires more research and time and energy than I have right now to fully switch. (And a few more good recipes, because many are quite meh, for some reason) But I’ll get there eventually.

                  And vegans haven’t been rude to me, thanks for your concern. It’s not about that, even. But all those jokes that are floating around haven’t been created by the meat industry. It’s not some conspiracy. You know the phrase “you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar”? That’s all I’m saying… and it’s not even about veganism… it’s about life in general. People are way too angry, especially online. Too quick to judgement and insults. They say the same thing about leftists… that they’re too busy fighting amongst themselves rather than focusing on what matters.

                  Disagreed with plenty of people in real life, but it’s never been like this. Never heard the phrase “meat eater” in real life, even tho I’ve talked with plenty of vegans. Same for “tankie” and a bunch of others.

            • That Weird Vegan@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
              3·
              6 个月前

              I couldn’t imagine not killing baby boy chicks at less than an hour old in a masher, ALIVE. What would we do without taking a mother’s bubba from her in the dairy industry.

  • qjkxbmwvz@startrek.websiteEnglish
    2120·
    6 个月前

    What’s the conventional wisdom as to why this is so bad, but eating meat basically gets a pass? Like, meat offers sustenance, yes, but it’s by no means required. So basically, humans eat meat because it tastes really good — it’s great “culinary entertainment.”

    This is a different kind of entertainment, but it’s deeply offensive to many folks. I’m not trying to be a dick about it, just curious why this is seen as such a sin.

    Is it that these animals weren’t “supposed” to be killed? Would a movie about a beef cow who ends up getting slaughtered, both onscreen and IRL, be seen as better? Worse?

    • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.clEnglish
      75·
      6 个月前

      are you for real comparing this to eating meat?

      Like we artificially breed cows into existence for meat and milk alone, dogs exists as companions, how could possibly be the same?.

      • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        34·
        6 个月前

        Yes, that’s the cognitive dissonance of carnism. “How could torturing one animal possibly be the same as torturing another? We have different categories for torturing!!!” smh.

    • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zipEnglish
      42·
      6 个月前

      I assume that “No animal were harmed” claim cannot be used in film where real meat are consumed?

    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      23·
      6 个月前

      The “conventional wisdom” is just the usual cognitive dissonance of carnists.

      They want to cry about puppies but also enjoy meat based on even worse exploitation, torture, murder, etc.

      • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
        127·
        6 个月前

        You have to eat, but you don’t have to eat meat. It’s just as optional as creating art that involves animal abuse. (Not a vegan, just interested in this topic).

          • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
            112·
            6 个月前

            We need things that can be found in meat. With some effort, you can obtain them from alternative sources.

              • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
                5·
                6 个月前

                Wow, I must be doing it wrong then. I learned basic combinations and a variety of recipes. No different from when I learned to cook with meat.

                I’m not saying that it’s for everyone. I personally still eat fish from time to time. But it definitely isnt a full time hobby

              • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
                6·
                6 个月前

                Yeah, it’s harder for sure. But what I’m saying is that not everyone needs to kill to eat-- if you can afford it and have some time to plan meals, it isn’t a “necessary evil”. I’d argue it’s still more moral to kill for food than for entertainment, of course.

        • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zipEnglish
          103·
          6 个月前

          My sis had to loosen her vegetarian standards for the sake of her daughters health.

          We are omnivores, accept that fact. While you can survive without flesh (and the modern person eats too much of it), it requires personal effort and research to find substitutes, with the risk of damaging your health. And most just prefer some meat or fish now and then.

          Btw, almost all herbivores are opportunistic omnivores, because they can’t research substitutes. Even sheep eat chicks, there, i said it.

          • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            6 个月前

            I accept it; I enjoy most types of meat. But the fact that you can survive without meat makes it optional, which is relevant to the debate we were having about the morality of killing/harming animals for different purposes.

            • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
              11·
              6 个月前

              You can survive without eating any food for some amount of time. Fasting works until you run out of fat. It’s not sustainable.

              It is not possible to be healthy sustainability on zero animal products, those that do it require supplements.

              • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
                12·
                6 个月前

                There’s research in this area, I don’t feel like debating it as if it were a matter of opinion.

          • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            16·
            6 个月前

            My sis had to loosen her vegetarian standards for the sake of her daughters health.

            Cool anecdote.

            We are omnivores, accept that fact.

            Cool pseudo-science derived from an anecdote. Even if I believed your story, in reality people don’t actually need meat.

            it requires personal effort and research to find substitutes

            Yes, it takes effort to do something different from the rest of society. Apparently you’ve never done this.

            And most just prefer some meat or fish now and then.

            Cool story.

            Even sheep eat chicks, there, i said it.

            Nobody gives a shit. Nobody is saying go veg because sheep are veg. This is just more wacky carnist babbling.

    • SirActionSack@aussie.zoneEnglish
      165·
      6 个月前

      Broadly, people are not ok with animals being mistreated. An animal that is raised in safe, comfortable conditions and then killed painlessly is not mistreated by the standards of many people.

      Abusing a puppy and kitten to make a film is absolutely mistreatment, hence the different reaction.

      I’m not trying to be a dick about it

      Doubt. “Just asking questions” is so often a deliberate dick move.

      • KombatWombat@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 个月前

        In America, literally 99% of livestock is factory farmed. Here, the idea of animals living a life that is anything but miserable on a farm is largely a myth. If you don’t expressly know how the livestock animal that was used for meat was treated, you can safely presume it was tortured.

        People are demonstrably ok with animals being mistreated. They continually endorse the abuse in the industry when there are other options available to them. It is simply not important enough to people for them to bother changing their behavior.

      • slst@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        144·
        6 个月前

        safe, comfortable conditions and then killed painlessly

        Do you even think this is real

        • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zipEnglish
          52·
          6 个月前

          Well, here it is. Strict laws too. And stress, even shortly before slaughtering, makes the meat stringy anyway, and poor health gives a taste.

          • slst@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            6·
            6 个月前

            In france we also have strong laws for that. Doesnt stop our local associations from releasing footage of industrial-scale farms that are just horrible to endure.

          • slst@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            11·
            6 个月前

            Do they know exactly what happens at the slaughterhouse or are they doing it themselves?

            • Trainguyrom@reddthat.comEnglish
              4·
              6 个月前

              The farmers I know go through a handful of local butcher shops to handle everything from that point forwards. The butcher gets high quality meat to sell and the farmer doesn’t have to deal with the parts of the process that aren’t part of their skillset or that they otherwise don’t want to handle. So while they aren’t part of the killing and butchering process, they are confident in their trust of the individuals and small businesses they rely on for it

              From what I’ve seen and learned, small businesses and small farms have the capability to handle the process of breeding and nurturing their stock for processing into the cuts of meat we buy at the store in a humane manner, but very large farms and very large meat processing operations every individual is simply too disconnected from the full process to ensure every step is as humane as it should be.

              Ultimately this is why we need to greatly expand the USDA to ensure every step of the process of our food being brought to our plates is as humane and safe as possible. The USDA already has full time inspectors who work at meat processing plants full time to ensure everything is safe and by the book, with the power to pause operations at any moment if they see a problem, but this needs to be expanded. We need USDA and FDA inspections to be frequent and thorough at every food processing facility in the country. Farms that product stock for these facilities need to be regularly audited. The erosion of the FDA and USDA is part of why there’s been so many salmonella outbreaks and food recalls in recent years

  • altphoto@lemmy.todayEnglish
    61·
    6 个月前

    George Carling… Tippy the dog.

    “Sometimes, you can get a dog that looks exactly like the dog you used to have. Right? You shop around a little bit, and you find a dog identical to your former dog. And that’s real handy cause you don’t have to change the pictures on your mirror or anything. Right? You just bring the dead one into the pet shop. Throw him up on the counter and say, “Give me another one of them. That was real good.” And they’ll give you a carbon copy of your ex-goddam dog. Now my favorite dog that I ever had in my whole lifetime was Tippy.”

    • webadict@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      6 个月前

      There are 23 movies in the Air Bud cinematic universe. Everyone always talks about the first Air Bud. The basketball one. The dog does a trick and boops the basketball into the hoop. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. If I’m on the losing team to that, I can applaud that. That’s fine, whatever, I’d hurt my nose doing that. Cool. The rest of the team played well, too.

      Now imagine being a kid on a sports team six years later. You arrive to your beach volleyball court and see you’re playing against a dog. You might think, woah, the dog is just gonna boop the ball with his nose, right? Cool fucking trick, he’s old as shit and has no new ones. Wrong. In Air Bud: Spikes Back, the fifth Air Bud movie, the eponymous Air Bud jumps up to the net and spikes a ball down on the opposing team. If I’m on the losing team to that, I fucking quit volleyball forever. There’s no going back. Your dad doesn’t ask how the game was, he saw the dog spike that shit on you on ESPN. What were you supposed to do? My fucking bad, our libero is a piece of shit who can’t dig it up from a FUCKING DOG??? Where the FUCK is our middle blocker??? Which one of you assholes let’s the dog go unmarked after that??? Slam the fucking ball into him, holy shit! No wonder we lost, they were too busy laughing their asses off while we floundered to get the ball over the net! Holy fucking shit, Andre, if you set the ball up so the FUCKING DOG GETS A CHANCE TO BLOCK ME WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU THE SETTER?!? No way, there is NO WAY anyone plays volleyball on that team again. Half that team kills themselves from the ridicule after that. The other half moves across the country and changes their names and faces. That dog ruins their lives. All to win a volleyball game.

  • jmsy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    6 个月前

    Even though animals were harmed in the film, it was still released?

    Then what’s the point of the protections?

  • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1751·
    6 个月前

    A proud Disney tradition.

    discovered that the lemming scene was actually filmed at the Bow River near Canmore, Alberta, and further that the same small group of lemmings was transported to the location, jostled on turntables, and repeatedly shoved off a cliff to imply mass suicide.