America started down this path all the way back in 9/12/2001. We didn’t hold Bush accountable, Obama, Trump, or Biden. Now the lunatic is using the tools provided to him.
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This is killing me lol
Didn’t know he was half-irish 😃
Aren’t all Americans, even the 100% Italians?
TIL Obama is of irish decent.
https://www.irishfamilyhistorycentre.com/article/president-barack-obamas-irish-ancestry/
Honestly, it started sooner I think, or more to the point, it’s had this sort of tendency lurking in the background for it’s whole history to lesser and greater extents, the last few decades until the current one just being something of a lower period that makes this stand out by contrast.
After all, these aren’t exactly the first concentration camps built in or by the United States, the country has a history with forced labor and institutionalized racial supremacy so severe that the country literally split itself apart over it at one point, and it’s founding and expansion to it’s current borders involved the genocide of those already living on the land in question.
The silver lining to all this I guess, if you can call it that, is that this history and the fact we even had something of a relative lul in all this, implies that as bleak as things look, the racism, nativism, and disenfranchisement can be squashed down again, because it’s been done here before.
and it’s founding and expansion to it’s current borders involved the genocide of those already living on the land in question.
This. The USA was founded on genocide.
what’s annoying is reading on bsky or mastodon or other places with Americans going “it’s happening” or “soon this will be normal” etc it’s like no bro, it isn’t happening and it isn’t soon, it’s now. It’s already happened. you’re living in it. you’re a nazi nation. you aren’t becoming nazi Germany, you currently are nazi Germany.
you’re at the end of that poem. your government is now openly saying they’re going to arrest politicians and citizens that don’t agree with them. your government is taking away birthright citizenship and very soon they’ll go after naturalized citizens and then just straight up regular citizens.
if you’re not a white, “straight”, christian, male earning over $500mil a year you’re fucked. they WILL come for you. They’ve already laid out the protections for the group previously mentioned. You’ve lost your country and no amount of peaceful protesting is going to return it to you. There’s literally one course of action left but I believe the average American is either too afraid or unwilling to commit to it.
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154 million people voted in 2024. That’s a hair over 65% of the voting agreed population. Over half of those people supported this shit stain, and even if they disagree with him on some things now, most will still support and defend him.
My personal objections to participating in a armed resistance aside. No one is looking to organize an armed resistance as far as I’m aware and the concept of organizing such a resistance seems nearly impossible for many reasons.
I’ve seen a few reports of protesters making things more difficult for ICE, but that’s about the most resistance I’ve seen. I’m starting to see why reasonable Germans didn’t rise up, it’s not that they agreed or didn’t want to, it’s difficult to organize a resistance. There needs to be a clear leader, good communication channels, a way to vet those who join, and anything else a military operation needs. And even then, you’d be going up against over half the population and the armed forces. And it would be giving a reason for them to use full military force against the citizens.
There is no good end to this, there is no way to stop this from continuing. I think a lot of people are counting on midterms to bring a peaceful end to this nightmare, I doubt we will have that chance and even if we do, the outcome will not be enough to swing the power.
We’re fucked.
Less than half of voters voted for this admin. He only won a plurality.
Oh you see now how impossible it really is to fight back once it’s in swing? You either need outside assistance from a hostile country, or you will be dying basically out of spite, accomplishing nearly nothing.
You need something more, something smarter.
Your stats are wrong. How are we going up against half the population if much less than half the population voted for Trump… and now his favorability ratings are even lower than when he took office?
Nearly half the population didn’t vote at all. It’s not a small number that would still defend him. Maybe not half, but significant enough. Then you have to wonder, how many active duty personnel didn’t vote for him and where would they stand when the orders were given. Would they commit treason in the eyes of the CIC?
His approval ratings don’t mean a whole lot. We’ve seen how well polls have translated to real results in the last decade. I would also argue that disapproval does not translate to civil disobedience.
Okay, so to summarize: You’re disregarding the numbers we do have to support your point.
They took a “Death by a thousand cuts” approach to fascism, and we’re about 1200 cuts in.
you’re at the end of that poem. your government is now openly saying they’re going to arrest politicians and citizens that don’t agree with them
Not to be a pedant but that’s the beginning of the poem
you aren’t becoming nazi Germany, you currently are nazi Germany.
I can only hope that the body count isn’t as similar as the rest of their playbook.
It is terrifying to consider the very real possibility that the US may have already “deported” thousands of people to a mass grave somewhere. I’m not aware of any evidence of that, but while it would still shock me it would not surprise me.
What exactly do you think CECOT is? Those people aren’t awaiting trial.
Ooh, but calling for violence is naughty and will get you banned blah blah blah.
Get your shit together, America.
Depending on your perspective, either the Americans half-assed their camps, or the Germans overbuilt theirs.
Something I’ve noticed is that the Trump regime is doing fascism with absolutely no style. The Nazis were awful, but they looked good being awful, literally, as in they had Hugo Boss doing their fashion and Volkswagens to drive around in. Trump just has the cheapest stuff that still works, tents for the camps and generic military gear for the secret police. I think it says a lot about the nature of the Trump regime.
Apparently even things that start out shitty are susceptible to enshittification
We couldn’t find any builders for the concentration camps as the builders are in concentration camps.
Everything is a grift with them, even genocide. They are probably embezzling most of the funds.
Yea probably this. Nazi Germany was in a sick way proud of their very efficient and stylish dictatorship. Trump’s just here for the show, he wants minimal costs and maximum profit for the billionaires. There isn’t even any nationalism here it’s just a facade, this is about billionaires tramping (or trumping) over the rest to see how far they can push their oligarchy.
Well, seeing as it already flooded…
The Germans built death camps.
Trump is building cruelty centres. You don’t need much to starve and degrade people. Just cages, bright lights turned on 24/7, and a lack of food and fresh water.
I’m sure these will be upgraded to death camps, but for now they just want to see brown people suffer. Once they get tired of that, they’ll start the killing.
In 1933 the first concentration camps also had massive improvised parts. It took about a year for them to be run fully professional. Conditions also became worse over time, with the start of WW2 being a huge step. That was also the start of the extermination camps, which were meant for genocide. Concentration camps were “just” really horrible prisons, which also had criminal and political prisoners, which were actually partly released.
This is just early concentration camp. Good chance it gets worse.
The only competent people they have are the ones they want in the camps.
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I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany. This is the only historical point of reference in American discourse. All historical comparisons default back to it because Americans don’t know anything else, not even their own history… like the Japanese Interment camps. Recorded human history is around 10,000 years old and it has everything, but somehow people in this country think there are no historical events or time periods to draw parallels from outside of what happened in central Europe during Hitler’s reign.
I find it really annoying how Americans are so ignorant of history that they literally cannot make any historical comparisons outside of Nazi Germany.
To be fair, all we should need to say is “It’s kind of fucked up to do <fucked up thing being done>” and people should agree and it should stop. Instead, so much of the media and so many propagandized conservatives are just denying it all and making up excuses. Historically, Nazi’s have been universally seen as unequivocally evil so it’s the only comparison that we think might get through.
Now though… Musk can fucking salute Hitler twice in a row at the presidential inauguration and calling it out is contentious. We’re frankly out of ideas.
ignorant, is understatement, i think some areas arnt even teaching history from ww2 and on
A lot of American schools are now basically only teaching the civil rights movement and a very water downed version of the cold war after teaching about WWII, and very rarely, some schools might dabble into 9/11 and the war on terror if they have time at the end of the year. There is no emphasis at all on international history.
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I mean it’s fine to make comparisons if they’re valid, but Nazi Germany comparisons are literally the only comparisons that I see. I never see these camps being compared to the Russian Gulags or MAGA being compared to the Know Nothings from the 1850s or Trump being compared to Andrew Jackson, and so on. These comparisons are also accurate and valid, and I would argue that they add an element of depth that our discourse severely lacks.
Essentially all history education in the US is heavily politicized except for WW2, the only thing Americans could agree on about the last 200 years is that Nazis were bad, and even that is now becoming ‘controversial’, with some schools like in Florida wanting to teach more about “both sides” of the holocaust. There’s a reason my mom really loved the quote “Don’t let school get in the way of your education.”
The average knowledge of the things you mentioned would be “isn’t Jackson the guy on the $20?” “Weren’t gulags in Siberia or something? What even is a gulag exactly?” And “‘Know Nothings’?? Yeah I literally ‘know nothing’ about that.”
It’s up to individuals and families to teach their kids actual history, and most parents both work and have little time to teach their kids anything that the schools don’t teach them. And now I see kids leaning history from youtubers, it’s a pretty depressing situation.
While I agree with your point that parents should take an active role in teaching their kids history, I also think a lot of adults need to actually spend time educating themselves because they lack basic historical knowledge themselves. A lot of grown adults don’t know why Jackson is on the $20 bill or what the gulags even are. We can’t possibly educate the next generation when the current generation is ignorant. We need to have some sort of shift in our society to emphasize the importance history and historical accuracy because our national discourse is severely lacking in nuance and depth.
Definitely, we have been trending further toward anti-intellectualism for a while, not just history but people of all ages need to recognize that learning is a lifelong process, you can’t just graduate high school and be done with it. Things learned in school even ten years ago or less can be outdated, society as a whole is learning more about the past all the time.
If you had to compare what’s going on AND our trajectory to a horrible historical event, which would it be and why?
The most relevant and accurate historical comparison to Trump is Andrew Jackson. Tell me if any of this about Jackson sounds familiar to you:
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Andrew Jackson was the first US president to not be one of the founding fathers. He aggressively campaigned as an anti-establishment candidate who would fight for the “common man” and against the corrupt elites… even though he was wealthy himself (though unlike Trump, Jackson was actually self made and came from humble beginnings).
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He ran for president in 1824 and lost to John Quincy Adams. Instead of accepting his loss, he insisted that the election was rigged and he only lost because of the “corrupt bargain” where Jackson and his supporters believed that the think that congress conspired against them to give Adams the election.
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He was a very thin skinned man who was known for his volatility and anger. He would often snap and throw temper tantrums when someone says or does something he doesn’t like. He’s notoriously famous for having hundreds of duels during his life time. He’s also known for demonizing any political opponent that crosses him as unpatriotic, corrupt, elitist, unholy, and anti-American.
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He was extremely loyal to his allies and friends, and rewarded a lot of them with influence and political access. During his presidency he had a scandal that fractured his official cabinet, he started relying heavily on a group of informal advisers, most of whom were his friends or political loyalists. It was so bad that his opponents literally coined the term “Kitchen Cabinet" to criticize the outsized influence his friends and allies held despite lacking official positions.
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Jackson was extremely patriotic and he fiercely fought for and imposed his version of patriotism, and he often framed things in us vs them mentality. For example, in the 1828 election, he famously said “this election is a contest between an honest patriotism on the on the one side, and an unholy, selfish ambition, on the other”.
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He was extremely racist. He explicitly hated native Americans as he saw them as savages who obstructed progress (expansion). He also viewed African Americans inferiors, and he was pretty big supporter of slavery. In fact he was a slave owner himself and never questioned the morality of it like his predecessors. To him, this country was for white European settlers and it was to be ruled by exclusively by white men. However, he did support expanding suffrage for all white men instead of just land owning ones, so I guess there’s that.
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He had a habit of ignoring Supreme Court rulings and doing what he wanted anyway. Famously, he ignored the ruling of the Worcester vs Georgia case in which the Supreme Court determined that the state of Georgia could not impose its laws on the Cherokee nation as it was seen as an independent country. This essentially prohibited settlers from encroaching on their lands. However, Jackson ignored this and not only encroached on their lands, but took it over and deported the entire nation to Oklahoma in an event that became known as the trail of tears.
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He had a habit of being very hostile to the press when they’re critical of him and very supportive when they praise him. He would often call the editors and journalists against him as corrupt and tools of the political elite who were out to slander him. At the same time, he rewarded very loyal editors and journalists with government contracts and exclusive access.
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He very famously hated the national bank. He saw the bank as unconstitutional and undemocratic because he thought it favored the rich and was nothing more than a tool for the corrupt elite, and that this power should be devolved down to the states. He also personally hated the idea of paper of money and preferred hard money (like gold and silver) and had a grudge against the president of the national bank at the time because he thought he helped fund his opponents against him. Regardless, he made it’s destruction a populist crusade and he succeeded in dismantling it. When the Federal Reserve was established, they intentionally added Jackson on the $20 bill as a giant fuck you to him and his legacy.
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By destroying the national bank and drying up federal funds, he directly contributed to the panic of 1837, which was one of the worst economic crises of the time.
Do you see the similarities? You should because Trump saw Jackson as an inspiration and he even hanged his picture in the Oval Office. I don’t know about you, but this seems like a much more relevant, accurate, and insightful comparison to Trump than Hitler. Hitler and Trump have very little in common as individuals and as leaders. This is why I find it annoying that our discourse has no other point of reference outside of Nazi Germany.
Very good list in my opinion and definitely matches my memory from learning about Andrew Jackson in the past.
I agree that Trump is no Hitler. While by some magic the crowds at his events like him he absolutely isn’t the orator Hitler was among a lot of other differences.
However I still say the overall party/political movement he is head of is extremely fascist and incorporating a lot of Nazi elements. The flip to that is that the Nazis got a lot of stuff from the USA and the Nazis loved our racist policies in the 30s and our history of doing things like the westward expansion and what that did to the native people.
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Unfortunately, the history taught here (at least where I grew up, but I believe it is like this in most parts of the country) is so US-centric and pre-WWII topical that we didn’t learn anything else. I don’t think I learned about the Japanese internment camps until law school and I was in “advanced classes” throughout my pre-university years.
Of course people would educate themselves outside of class, but there’s a variety of reasons that doesn’t really happen. It’s quite sad and unfortunate we don’t learn about the other atrocities (even those directly caused by the US). I wish it were different.
Slightly off-topic, but we’re not even taught the realities of our own history that we’re supposedly taught about. Example: the civil war. If you ask many people in certain southern states (and surely some more northern ones too), the reasons they give for the war do not match reality. Or at least they do not come close to telling the whole story. The stranglehold on our education system is bonkers
Well they’re not just gonna tell you it was capitalism.
watching this happening in real time makes me wonder if the only reson germany lost was bc they started a war. bc rn it seems like we r doing what germany did but havent started a world war yet which will be interesting bc wed prob end up like russia, china, and NK etc. everyone know there are concentratiosn camps and human right violations but nobody would do anything bc there isnt a valid reason too yet bc if anyobe does anything, itll be taken as a sign of aggression and possibly war
Nazi Germany kinda had to start wars because their spending wasn’t sustainable: they had significant yearly deficits and they were always looking for ways to push forward the day that Germany would become insolvent. They stole the assets of outgroups like the Jewish minority, financially raided the banks, had the treasury print money to pay of debts, implemented price and wage controls to stave off inflation because of printing too much money, … None of it was sustainable in the long term. The longer term plan was to conquer other nations and plunder those.
And very unfortunate for the world today: the spending by usa republicans isn’t sustainable either + the usa has a very big army. Some people would say that the usa republicans couldn’t possibly be that stupid to rob or invade their peaceful trade partners, but … a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.
The longer term plan was to conquer other nations and plunder those.
So what Fat Hitler keeps talking about regarding Greenland and Canada
A good book that documents this is The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer.
An arduous read, but vital for thinking minds nonetheless.
a lot of republicans are pretty damn stupid and short sighted, including the president.
They aren’t just stupid, many on the right are religiously dedicated to the idea of a judgement day and devastating war between ‘good and evil’. They are convinced ‘God is on their side’. Evangelical Christian fascists have been pushing this for years, it was almost guaranteed to come to direct conflict from the course the US has been on unless there was some kind of intervention long ago.
Trump keeps talking about annexing Canada though. Hitler didn’t need to invade Poland or any of the other nations he Blitzkrieged, but there it is.
He has fallen quiet about that though. I wonder if someone with an ounce of historical knowledge told him that if you’re going to fascist, don’t start wars at the same time.
If Israel manages to send the US to war it may start a chain reaction.
💯%. the US was heavily isolationist at the start of WWII, and pretty anti-Semitic. for example, the St. Louis, a boat full of Jewish refugees, was turned away from the US and Canada in 1939 - and turned back to Europe, with many Jews eventually imprisoned and murdered by the Nazis. there were also the blackshirts in the UK, who were pro-Nazi, and PM Chamberlain had a peace treaty drawn up with Hitler. and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Soviets, of course.
so if the Nazis had been content to murder only German, Austrian and Czech Jews, they would have gotten away with it.
on the other hand, Nazi ideology (e.g. “lebensraum” and their belief in the destiny of the Aryan race to conquer the “inferior” races) drove them to war, to invade Poland and to break their pact with the Soviets. and they also spent tons of resources on the Holocaust, at the expense of their military.
so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived, but otoh Nazis aren’t isolationists.
so basically yeah, isolationist Nazis would have totally survived,
Everything you said was on point but this part I feel is incorrect. Nazi Germany was on the brink of bankruptcy by 1939 because of government overspending, mainly due to rearmament. Hitler felt he had to absolutely invade other countries to pillage the resources and maintain the German economy. People tend to give too much credit to the Nazis but the regime would have totally collapsed on its own if it weren’t for the war delaying the inevitable.
Hitler and the Nazis aren’t different to any other dictatorships in post-war third world countries. They are bunch of fantasist buffoons. The Nazis only got lucky they went so far because they inherited strong institutions to leech off of, particularly the legacy of the Prussian military-- the army with a state.
True. If germany wouldn’t have started the war or would engage in limited warfare then nazi germany would have existed till now. Europe is lucky in the sense that USA and europe are separated by a big ocean. Otherwise USA politics would have affected europe. Also USA can remain isolated for a long time. And this makes it dangerous for people living there. Because europe and other countries cannot force USA to change its internal rules or cannot advise USA about its internal affairs.
If germany wouldn’t have started the war or would engage in limited warfare then nazi germany would have existed till now.
They definitely won’t survive until now. Little known fact that most people are unaware of post-war is that Nazi Germany was on brink of another economic collapse in 1939 because of excessive government spending. The pillage of resources from their conquered territories gave them small injection of wealth to keep themselves going for a while. Even if Nazi Germany went fully isolationist and engaged in limited war (which I think is even impossible), eventually their poor policies will cause their own demise.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, because I don’t know enough details about their economy at that time, but people have been saying that about the US economy for decades and it hasn’t happened yet (not that I think it wouldn’t under Trump, because he’s really going nuts on it, but…).
Do you have anything you can point to that makes the case that the situation was so precarious that collapse was inevitable, or just that they were precarious (as the US has been since GWB at least)?
Economists say Trump’s policies are detrimental to the American economy. And sure enough, his policies pissed off almost everybody, even oligarchs, when the stock market crashed in early April 2025. His big beautiful bill is gutting basic welfare and government spending. Fascism always collapses on its own because their policies are based on emotions and rejection of expert advice. Reality eventually catches up.
America will eventually decline as superpower (all bloated empires eventually do). As we speak, China overtook US in terms of research and development spending. However, Trump’s policies and exodus of researchers makes America less competitive, which will accelerate the country’s decline as the sole hyperpower.
ngl i was kinda hoping you’d say my statement is bull and germany wouldve been wiped out anyways regardless of starting a war lol (: i hate this timeline ;-;
I’m sorry 🫂 there’s not always a happy ending. the genocide of Native Americans, for example.
take care of yourself, and take care of your trans and migrant siblings. that’s all we can really do, but maybe it’s enough. ❤️
They’re definitely concentration camps but I don’t think this is a good way to draw the comparison, you could easily do the same side by side with FEMA camps (temporary housing) after a natural disaster. Something that the conspiracy oriented people have been doing for a long while.
Let’s have a close up of it as a comparison, not just one of the roofs. There’s just better ways to do this.
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Yeah I saw the video and pictures a little bit after I commented and I think taking that kind of thing and putting it side by side with Auschwitz is a much better side by side.
Also it’s cots of 2, just normal bunk beds, not 3. 3 was what it was like down in El Salvador. Not that that matters much but yeah.
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prisons hold prisoners accused or convicted of crimes. the big difference between prisons and concentration camps is scale and homogeneity - camps are bigger and have one kind of prisoner.
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gulags hold political prisoners but aren’t as big as concentration camps. kinda Soviet-specific.
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reeducation camps hold masses of political prisoners with the goal of indoctrinating them with some ideology. the Xinjiang camps for the Uighurs are an example.
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concentration camps are mass prisons for political prisoners - usually prisoners of war or ethnic minorities. most Nazi camps, along with the Japanese internment camps, were concentration camps.
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death camps are concentration camps used for mass murder/genocide. Auschwitz was the major Nazi death camp for the Holocaust, though there were a few others.
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refugee camps are mass temporary shelters. you’re allowed to leave. FEMA camps and various UN camps are good examples.
Alligator Auschwitz is a concentration camp because it’s 1) massive, 2) full of the same type of prisoner (ethnic minority migrants), 3) who can’t leave. it’s not yet a death camp, but most Nazi camps weren’t death camps (they centralized that!)
I mean thanks for the information that I already knew. I don’t quite understand the point of your comment though cause we agree on this, that it’s a concentration camp.
Edit: I was talking about using aerial photos for the comparison being bad not comparing the current concentration camp that was just built in Florida to other concentration camps being bad. In case that’s your misunderstanding of what I was talking about.
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That’s his hero, he’s Señor Don Taco.
Dont forget media consolidated and owned by the wealthy
It’s deliberate by Russia so they have an excuse to bomb us. I’ve been telling you all they would do this since December.
They are ALREADY DYING IN THESE CAMPS. We are all complicit at this point.
What are we supposed to do? Go there ourselves? I’m not trying to be a dick but what can normal people do to help?
Imagine what a person in one of those cages would want to do if they weren’t in those cages.
We need to do what’s right.
Alright, I’m right behind you.
Go fuck yourself I have been and will continue to do what little I can to fight this and I am not remotely complicit
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No. Sitting back and waiting for imaginary sky people to act on our behalves isn’t going to accomplish anything. We, the actual people, need to fight back ourselves.
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File that along with Hillary Clinton in the debate telling us exactly what Trump would do. People called her a liar then too.
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I certainly concur.
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