.world needs .ml else it would just become Reddit 2.0, just as boring and asinine, but without the traffic. .world is the kiddie pool… but not everyone knows how to swim, so it fills an important role!
But your logic supports .world defederating .ml so that when a user is ready to “leave the kiddie pool” they do so by moving to a wider instance, like .zip
Everyone needs a taste of anti-imperialist and non-Western takes, either for their sanity or just for their ideological development. I know Americans are gonna need them since the empire is coming home with full force, for instance. Without them, without ‘radicals’ like those in .ml, the folks will just be fed a new narrative to curtail their cognitive dissonance (it’s the most imperceptible of buzzes for the least cerebral among us but it’s still there) and they’ll eat it up because that’s all they’re exposed to. So, no, they should be connected, for the sake of exposure. It’s important too for those more .ml-coded to read, post and quickly check the downvote/upvote ratio in .world just like it was/is on big subreddits to get a feel of what the average literate Westerner, who at least considers discussion important (better than your average American, for instance), is thinking/has been fed recently.
By that ‘logic’ everyone needs a taste of white supremacy, Christian nationalism, Nazis, and so on.
Certain opinions aren’t worth giving any consideration to because they’re so stupidly, pig-headedly wrong. The street corner preacher frothing at the mouth over LGBTQ people is one, .ml and the former hexbear (world’s smallest violin plays a sad song for their passing) instances being prime examples.
Did you just compare anti-imperialist ‘content’ to pro-Nazi stuff? Anyway, no, it’s unethical to be pro-Western imperialism, right is evidently different from wrong, and I agree that not every uttering deserves ears but trust me that every person that’s been simmering in pro-war, anti-non white lives (whether it be anti-communist or islamophobic stuff, it just serves to alienate your fellow human being) propaganda since before they came out of the womb only know the wrong side of things and need to at least see some memes and be triggered into self-examination!
Lol, Tankies just simp for authoritarian regimes like Russia and NK that claim to be communistic.
If you want to pull people to your political side, then you can do so without relying on misinformation and conspiracy theories. Which is unfortunately not what the admins of .ml have chosen to do.
Silly comes in different shapes, but the imperial narrative will almost always be untrue and always serve immoral interests!
Lemmy.ml is not anti-imperialist. They remove anything critical of China and Russia, both imperialist states.
Instances that are actually anti-imperalism in that they criticise both Western and Russian/Chinese etc imperialism might be lemmy.dbzer0.com or slrpnk.net.
lemmy.ml is arguably one of the most imperialist instances especially in terms of censorship.
I am banned there so you might be right about the censorship. 🤷
Average ‘ML users aren’t that bad’ post defending blatant propagandists.
No we’re not talking ‘socialism is actually good and here’s why’ posts, we’re talking posts like ‘China, the ethnostate, is a bastion of tolerance compared to a place like the U.S.’.
Fuck no to everything you’ve said supporting federation with .ml . The people on the platform deserve their fate if they can’t see through the bullshit, I feel no differently about MAGA.
Time to change your diaper, OP.
Hah! Do you really believe this would make things better? (X) Doubt
those tankies would be very upset if they could read.
Lmao tankies are notorious for their reading lists lol. Here e.g. is an introductory one https://lemmy.ml/post/22417306
That’s just asking for a treasure trove of links to theory
Why is this on shitpost? Dude’s got a mega thread with references and receipts.
No. I don’t think a group of bad actors should kill an instance. We all have so many tools to ignore people or entire instances.
.ml is the “bad actor” in this case for one, and for two, one of those tools is defederation. Nobody is talking about forcing .ml wholly offline.
Grad and hex are perfectly alive even with most of the network defederating from them.
What if the bad actors are admins?
Then .world wouldn’t exist
I think even then it’s easy for us to block them. This is why I really liked lemm.ee
I had the power to see everything. If an entire group was heinous, it was my choice to never see it again, not someone else.
What would you guys even talk about?
bicker* :D
Idk memes n stuff
Beans and jeans, have you not been paying attention?
You sound like a communist. I hate communists, because they think we can just get rid of the state after we seize the means of production.
sky traffic? wow so cool
Honestly .ml and .world deserve each other. Sh.it.just.works too, most common in my blocked user list.
came here to make the exact same 1st statement. .world is quite a bully friendly instance.
Just look at my modlogs from them. Feds through and through.
I know nothing irt sh.itjust.works
What did we do?
We exist.
Nah, probably because some people find the url funny and annoy people with that account.
Be bigger than them. Probably sees your instance as some sort of threat. They always shit on the big instances, I’ve seen Hex users refer to SJW as “Shit Just Stinks” before and they were celebrating the .ee shutdown. They consider .world some sort of right-wing instance run as a CIA/fed psyop
Do these people not ever talk to anyone in real life? How do you arrive at thinking all real humans are Marxists/Leninists?
You mean Marxist-Leninists. Marxists/Leninists would be people who are either Marxists or Leninists, and as a Marxist-Leninist, I’m opposed to both. Marx was an idiot, he said “workers of the world unite” like he’d never heard of Communism In One Country. And Lenin was a counterrevolutionary who wanted the vanguard to work with the support of the workers. Marxism-Leninism, a political philosophy invented by our great leader Joseph Stalin, is far better than either Marxism or Leninism.
But they’re a dbzero user, not an ML
Edit: I guess those aren’t mutually exclusive
Grad, Hex and .ml users have been known to have many alts to help spread their “message”
I’m personally not on lemmy.ml but they literally advertise what their ideology is. If I go to a meeting of socialists in my community, I am expected to be in agreement with, or at least tolerant of, socialist viewpoints. If you’re entering lemmy.ml you’re expected to tolerate ML viewpoints, obviously.
They do not, Hex and Grad, yes. This is the current homepage of lemmy.ml, nothing indicates them being a Tankie Instance supporting Authoritarian regimes and their misinformation:
The ML stands for Marxist-Leninist. I recall it being clarified better when I last visited several years ago. “What is Lemmy.ml?” is a link that expands on the instance as “niche” rather than mainstream.
ML stands for Mali, there’s no TLD for Marxism lol
And there’s no domain for Team Fortress 2, but lots of people use
.tffor TF2 focused websites.And you’re absolutely free to use it that way if the registry that handles is OK with it, but you just can’t expect people to instantly realize that your
.tfsite is a Team Fortress related site based on just the TLD, because the.tfdoesn’t officially have anything to do with TF2, that was my point.It’s more popular for team fortress 2 than for the country its from. I don’t even remember what country its from without looking it up. If I recall its a nation in southern Africa?
Either way, its more used for the funny hat game than the nation itself.
No, it’s not a Mali instance. They’re using it for something else. You may also notice .io domains are not always based in the Indian Ocean, nor .ly for Libya, .tv for Tumalu, etc.
That’s the official purpose of 2 letter TLDs, like it or not. Some countries have opted to sell them to everyone, but .ml definitely means Mali, not Marxism-Leninism.
Since Mali lets anyone register domains with their TLD, you’re free to use it however you want, but you can’t expect everyone to know you’re using it because it also stands for Marxism-Leninism. It might also be a Machine Learning instance!
They do mention their politics in some places but it’s definitely not outright obvious from their usage of the Mali TLD.
Lol. I think there is one for Republican and Democrat though. Which is funny. Or maybe it’s like conservative or something. I don’t know. There are so many TLDs now, it’s crazy.
That’s not “literally advertising”, that’s an Easter egg, a very subtle hint or maybe even “coded language”
In any case, it requires the person encountering it to already have a concept of it and background knowledge to some degree.
This isn’t the 90’s/early 2000s anymore where there were only a few TLDs to go around, back then encountering .ml would have lead to a line of questioning like you say.
But not today, today the average user doesn’t question the TLD anymore (as long as it’s not one frequently associated with “scams” like .xyz) because there’s just so many of them ranging from .io to .AI to .shop and .network
As I said earlier, it was advertised. I didn’t make it up, it just isn’t written there anymore.
Yes but being federated with them means they can have their conversation in your space or overrun it, hence why op is saying it would be better to defederate
That’s why instances, communities, and users can be blocked and banned. If ‘their conversation’ is not allowed in ‘your space’ then do the thing and move on.
My dude that is literally what this thread is about
‘Do the thing’ is using the tools a user has at their disposal to block other users. Communities can block and ban users too.
Defederation over moderation is not the thing I am suggesting. Especially not as part of a multiyear campaign perpetuating a bad-faith feedback loop.
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Ugh ml users are the worst
Thats not true, lemmygrad and hexbear exist
Jeez what’d I do
Well, there’s one that’s worse.
Two if you count bootleg mastodon instances.
I honestly don’t know what the big fuss is about. I became member of Lemmy.ml a couple of years ago when it was basically the only existing instance if I remember correctly. I’ve never seen any drama apart from posts like this that claim the admins suck or the users suck. Maybe those claims are even valid, but do they even affect the average user at all? I’ve considered changing instances even, but it seems rather a lot of effort for a lot of hot air to me.
I strongly suspect this is conservative persecution complex. Sometimes I wish these types of users would go back to Reddit, but Reddit is such a hellscape now I wouldn’t even wish that on condescending .world users. Rather them stay here and bolster lemmy numbers, even with their shit takes included.
Yeah I simply do not understand how you can be an ML user and have somehow missed the blatant abuse of moderation powers surrounding users like Cowbee.
You either just don’t pay attention or you aren’t on Lemmy much.
True, I don’t pay much attention to the mod log for example, I did not even know it was a thing. I regularly browse my communities and /r/all or whatever the main feet is called. I am here for content that interest me, no matter on what instance it is hosted. I thought that was the whole point of federation.
You’re right, and I don’t blame you for being a passive user.
Here, you can try it yourself — pay attention to users like Yogthos or Cowbee. 9 times out of 10 you end with threads of them monologuing to themselves against deleted comments.
Go look at the modlog.
You might be a member of .ml but are you active on .ml communities?
I’ve been banned for asking if someone would genuinely prefer living in North Korea over the hellhole that is London or New York.
I’ve been banned for linking to the Wikipedia page for “actually existing socialism” because the page for it wasn’t flattering.
More recently I’ve found blocking all of .ml to improve my experience.
(Or alternately look at the voting on this comment lmao)
Nah .world would suck all by itself they have their own brand of censorship
What censorship? I have documented evidence of .ml’s rampant censorship
If .world is doing their own flavor then where’s the receipts?
Also, .world doesn’t need .ml, nobody needs .ml, they only have like 2 comms that don’t have a non.ml variant that beats them in MAUs
OMG nobody fucking cares.
It seems atleast 260 people do care
I got banned for anti-white racism from political memes lmao the crime was linking readsettlers.org
This was one mod on one comm, if it’s a good or bad mod decision I won’t comment on. But poor mod decisions can happen any time anywhere.
The problem with .ml is the fact that it’s the admins micromanaging across the entire instance in order to push a political narrative. Nearly all mod actions in the .ml modlog is from 2 admins and shows a clear bias to push their ideology, leveraging their notoriety to do it and allowing known misinformation outlets’ “articles” to fester while surprising criticism from credible outlets.
My messages to ruud i think who is also a mod in that community as well as an admin about the earlier ban were ignored so I assume at least one admin is on board with the theory of anti-white racism.
Take it to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com then and lay out your case publicly
Almost a year old and doesn’t cover the most recent action within just the last 7 hours, like I said, take it to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and reference your original thread as well as the new actions
I like being exposed to opinions I don’t agree with and don’t like - it makes me feel like I am not just hiding in my bubble. I will admit that there are anti-capitalist threads in there that I agree with.
This would be a fine sentiment if the feeling were mutual with the .ml admins. Their entire thing is aggressive censorship of ideas they disagree with, so if your ideal is free exchange of ideas, then you support the opposite of that by engaging with them.
True, but .world isn’t much better.
Why?
The same but gor libshit and zionism. Uses the defaultness as a shield for those.
There’s hundreds of instances you can use for that that aren’t tankie psyops.
