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What does +n favourability mean?
There’s 100 people in the room
10 think you’re annoying, 80 love you, 10 dont care
A “net” when talking numbers is the difference, so you would have a net favorability of 70%. Because it’s the people who like you minus the people who dislike you, and no one cares about the people who don’t care.
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I didn’t check if that 73% is real or just to make a point, but if it is, 73% net favorability is obviously insanely popular. Cracking 50% overall is pretty much considered a shoe in
Democrats: … But why male voters?
Mamdani: you serious? I just told you that a moment ago!
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Dems don’t want to win every election because that would break the scam.
Send in the republicans to loot our money and then send in the dems to fix everything up enough to where they can loot again.
Fix? Best we can do is Most Lethal Military Ever and expanding the programs we all agreed were bad under Trump.
I keep saying this but it feels like the Dems are a Russia-style controlled opposition party.
Doesn’t mean 100% of them are garbage, but the leadership sure does seem like it hates the idea of successful opposition
…how shall we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…
At this point, the Dem party consider themselves retired.; enjoying their investor’s cash, and playing fiddle while DC burns.
Every Democrat that accepts blood money, fuck you.
Wha…
Mamdani is the DNC candidate. Why is he telling himself he won’t endorse himself in this fanfic?
He literally went to breakfast with the literal federal DNC congressmen this week and after that they’ve been retweeting each other things like "Proud of our Democratic nominee for NYC Mayor. Let’s win!”
JFC with this constant imaginary divide between the “evil corporate dnc”, ya’ll are smelling smoke and screaming fire when you’re actually just having a stroke.
The media is presenting the current DNC as identical to prior ones …
Because they’re scared of a FDR like movement from the current one.
And ignorant people on social media dont know how the DNC works or what a chair even does.
We won the war over the party, the billionaires lost.
So now they’re banking on how uninformed voters are so they can convince them to double down on changing DNC leadership so neoliberals get the wheel again.
You can’t explain it to them, because if they weren’t idiots they’d already know all of this considering were talking about people that choose to discuss politics online.
You’d think they’d be up to date on what happened six months ago, but they have no idea
Stop gaslighting progressives just because your wing of the party is lobbing Islamophobic hate at Mamdani.
You honestly don’t get?
Like. This isn’t a bit you’re doing, you legitimately don’t understand?
Understand what? That we’re supposed to accept the smears of people like Jeffries and Gilibrand as “endorsements” just because centrists want to maintain the ridiculous fiction that party leadership doesn’t work against progressives?
I only saw your comment because I signed in after the page loaded.
So I’ll go ahead and answer your question:
That the people currently smearing Mamdaninarent “the party” they’re the ones whose wing just got the boot from the DNC. That’s why they created project 29, they’re desperate for Dems to focus on something they control, and they don’t control the DNC anymore.
The way the DNC (the party) is structured, is the Chair has 100% control and zero accountability.
In February Ken Martin was seated chair.
Here’s what “the party” is saying about Mamdani:
Amna Nawaz:
What do you take away from Zohran Mamdani’s New York City mayoral Democratic primary win? Are there lessons there for the party or the races?
Ken Martin:
Well, first, it was a brilliant campaign. And there’s a lot of lessons.
One is, he campaigned for something. And this is a critical piece. We can’t just be in a perpetual state of resisting Donald Trump. Of course, we have to resist Donald Trump. There’s no doubt about it for all the reasons we just talked about. But we also have to give people a sense of what we’re for, what the Democratic Party is fighting for, and what we would do if they put us back in power.
And that’s really critical. And I think that’s one of the lessons from Mamdani’s campaign, is that he focused on affordability. He focused on a message that was resonant with voters, and he campaigned for something, not against other people or against other things. He campaigned on a vision of how he was going to make New York City a better place to live.
I think that’s one of the lessons. The other lessons, of course, is the tactics he used to get his message out, both a very aggressive in-person campaigning, meeting voters where they’re at, and then also in those digital spaces, using very creative messaging to cut through the noise and to get to voters in an inexpensive but authentic way.
There’s a lot to learn from that campaign, and I’m excited to learn more.
For now at least, the party is back on the side of the people.
And that’s not even getting into the other stuff he’s doing. You won’t hear it on MSM, because MSM is owned by billionaires. They’d rather have a third trump term than a progressive.
Don’t fall for their propaganda that today’s DNC has anything to do with the DNC from 2024 and earlier.
The DNC under Martin kicked out David Hogg and pulled out all the stops for sex pest cuomo. He’s not the savior you’re touting him as.
For now at least, the party is back on the side of the people.
They got a funny way of showin’ it.
Bernie: I have +45 on young male voters, and +12 over Trump if elected as the DNC nominee.
DNC: Were going to learn nothing from this, ever.
The DNC prefers maga chuds to any progressive in any seat.
What exactly is it you suggest they do about Bernie’s primary loss? Stop holding democratic primaries and just pick their own candidate who scores well in general polls?
My dude.
Kamala wasn’t chosen through a primary. Did you forget that?
The Dems are already acting as rediculous as you think they shouldn’t be.
And they have been for a long time. At least since Bernie.
Everyone in the US memory holed the DNC trial where they went to court and defended their right to pick whoever the fuck they wanted for a candidate over holding primaries.
In June 2016, a class action lawsuit was filed against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and former DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz for violating the DNC Charter by rigging the Democratic presidential primaries for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders.
DNC attorneys argued that the DNC would be well within their rights to select their own candidate.
“In evaluating Plaintiffs’ claims at this stage, the Court assumes their allegations are true—that the DNC and Wasserman Schultz held a palpable bias in favor Clinton and sought to propel her ahead of her Democratic opponent,”
So the DNC has learned nothing and already is as stupid as you think they shouldn’t be.
Here’s what the DNC should do: Support who their voters think is popular, not their corporate financers.
All this bullshit could have been avoided if they did that with Bernie the first time. They learned nothing then did it again with Biden/ Kamala a second time. Now they’re doing it again with Mamdani for a third.
No, she wasn’t, Joseph Biden was. He won some states completely unopposed, because you’d be insane to challenge an incumbent. Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?
And yeah, Shultz liked his own party better than the third party participating on his ticket, and that might have had some negligible impact on the 3 Million more votes that Clinton received than Bernie.
Would you prefer Joe Biden and his Ass Cancer had ridden it out until the end instead of handing it off to his VP?
I would have preffered the DNC dropped Joe with enough time to run a primary that DNC voters could have picked a candidate from. Especially given that he had cancer and likely knew about it during the election.
Instead, he dropped out way too late.
Because the DNC thought someone with ass cancer would look strong in a debate against a drugged up Trump.
Then they panicked when ass cancer grandpa failed the easiest debate in the history of presidential debates and then wasn’t polling as the “strong incumbent” you were made to believe he was.
The DNC waited too long to realise Biden wouldn’t win against billions of disinformation spending, and all they had to do was hold another primary to elect a new candidate to win.
Instead they waited too long - switched to Kamala too late - and then completely ran out of time.
Just like they took too long to persecute Trump. Too long to expand the court. Too long to codify Roe vs Wade. Too long for Democracy to be protected in a meaningful way.
And certainly too long to realize the young male supporters of Bernie have been going to Trump for decades now because the DNC labeled their very reasonable concerns as just dumb “Bernie Bros” BS instead of “the only voting base that can win American elections.”
I wasn’t exaggerating in my original post, Bernie would have won against Trump by +10 on average according to every general poll conducted before the DNC primary, even by Fox News.
Here are all those polls collected, I’ll bet it’s the first time you’ve ever seen them:
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2016/trump-vs-sanders
Instead the DNC thought Hillary would still be good enough. And they still haven’t learned why that was a mistake when they thought Biden would be too.
Bernie would have unquestionably won against Trump. Period full stop. You should be furious the DNC made you think Hillary was better when she statistically wasn’t, just like you should be mad at the DNC for making someone with cancer debate a criminal.
You aren’t holding the DNC accountable for shitting the bed ever, so they keep doing it, now to the cost of our Democracy. They literally prefered a Trump president over actual progressive policies, so that’s what we have, and always will with the current DNC.
The difference between me and you is that you’re blaming democrats for everything Republicans do. I supported Kamala, I would have supported Biden, and more people like me would have completely averted this disaster.
What exactly is it you suggest they do about Bernie’s primary loss?
Stop. Ratfucking. Progressives.
Stop holding democratic primaries and just pick their own candidate who scores well in general polls?
As opposed to not holding primaries and picking a surefire loser like they did last year?
They need to stop fucking over progressives
But also 24 was stolen
they’d rather see the corporate candidate lose than the popular candidate win
“They” as in like 30-40 Million People?
thats why they have a habit of choosing Republicans.
Translation: how can we con men into supporting our platform, as opposed to changing our platform to be more appealing to men and younger voters in general?
Dems: Best we can do is racism and abandoning trans people.
Starmer?
conserves: best we can do is ban trans people, muslims haitians and legalize racism (also defund the government, department of education so segregation in schools is technically legal, and give lots of money to rich people in tax cuts!)
american voter: [scratches head] ‘gee they are both the same!’
Can always count on someone who likes genocide support and wants to abandon trans people to stand up for democrats.
can always count on people who “suddenly” care about israels treatment of palestinians which has been going on for decades to fall for conservative lies and manipulations.
Where was your concern about the genocide when it began? Oh right you didn’t give to flying f’s. Only now when you need to dump on democrats do you guys care. You aren’t fooling anyone.
It became undeniable that netanyahu was committing genocide. Biden kept selling him weapons anyway, in direct knowing contravention of the Leahy law.
I get that it’s your favoritest thing ever, but some people have standards other than “no progressives.”
israel has been doing this shit for decades, who do you think blew up the king david hotel? You are conveniently using the palestinians plight now for one and one reason only, to attack the democrats. Its so obvious to anyone with more than 5 brain cells to see.
You have no standards, just puppets to use for your ammunition against people you don’t like. F off with your fake concern, respectfully.
israel has been doing this shit for decades
And you have been supporting it the entire time.
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Segregation is schools never went away (partly due to Biden breaking with the party to oppose desegregation), northern areas set up school districts based on the race of the neighborhoods, made easy by redlining, and private schools in the south.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_segregation_in_the_United_States#Segregation_since_the_1960s
yes, private schools were around. And now with the defunding of the DOE its about to become the norm. Well done sir, you’ve literally just explained what I said but made it sound like it was normal. Its not.
applause please for alcoholicorn! They somehow think biden is the reason why the department of education is being dismantled! what a genius this guy is!
applause please for alcoholicorn! They somehow think biden is the reason why the department of education is being dismantled!
Well, he didn’t exactly help, did he?
Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans, then blamed for ‘doing nothing’
the same trick every time. gerrymandering, no nothing republicans standing in the way of progress and tricking people like you into thinking its the democrats faults. Even when they enact policies that they came up with. (tell me the name of the conservative who filibustered his own bill when obama approved it. you wont, because you are a shill)
Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans, then blamed for ‘doing nothing’
democrats had a majority. They chose not to use it. They chose to break their promises. You only support biden because he sold weapons to netanyahu for you.
Yeah, if only he wasn’t obstructed like Obama was at every turn by republicans
You do know Biden as VP was the dog whistle to show the wealthy they could vote for Obama and nothing would get done …
Right?
It’s wasn’t just Republicans that’s stopped M4A, just like back with FDR the “moderates” sided with the Republicans.
Biden said he wanted some things to happen, but never tried because he kept saying he didn’t know if it would work
If you think Biden legitimately put effort in for two years Dems had majority …
Why the fuck did Biden spend so much time calling himself the fucking “Senate whisper”?
His whole deal was he could work with Republicans, and when we got majorities he threw his hands up and said trying would be a waste of fucking time.
If you didn’t pay attention to any of that, the last election must have made no sense to you at all…
It is normal, it always has been, ask 10 white and a few black people from different areas how many black people were in their school. Or just read the wikipedia article.
i live in california, this may surprise you but a large percentage was asian at my schools.
Its not normal to have private schools everywhere and to defund public schools. The only people pushing this are folks who wish to keep poor people (minorities) away from theirs. Since they won’t be able to afford them.
I didn’t ask about Asians. How many black people went to your high-school?
Its not normal to have private schools everywhere
It literally is, it started with the desegregation effort, and any place with too mixed of a black and Latino population for public schools to be along racial lines has had private schools for the last half century.
Supplement Mamdani with a Trump-like folk and see it for yourself: Dems do not support socialism, nothing new here
So there should be a socialist party no?
Nope if you ask me. Socialists must conquer the Dem platform just as fascist have conquered the GOP
That’s depressing on so many levels it’s almost funny.
Problem is fascists get a lot of money or have their signal boosted with money for doing what they are doing. Socialists will be fought with money. Remember the billionaires standing in line behind Trump? Who were missing were the Murdoch media empire an Putin, they also signal-boosted Trump. But other than those, that row of billionaires gives you an idea of how much money is backing fascists.
In principle yeah, although I’ve a feeling the only way that’s going to happen is with a credible socialist party showing up to threaten the status quo and force their hand. Otherwise they’re just going to keep on keeping on; we already saw what happened with Bernie, and he’s not even that hard left.
Maybe.
Traditionally their views are in their names. You can expect other things from them, but also expect your expectations to not be met. Overcoming that is the fundamental point of democracy; quite irrelevant if trapped in a two party system, though. But try enjoy the ride where you can. There’s no getting off unless you leave the amusement park entirely.
Yes, ideally, but the US system is completely rigged in a million different ways to make the emergence of a meaningful 3rd party almost impossible.
The way we award seats, first past the post, is horrendously flawed, and means that if every specifically defined area just barely has a majority… the net effect is a government that is way, way out of sync with what the broader population actually wants.
And this is all rigged by regularly and precisely redrawing all those specific geographic areas to make it so they are either clearly gonna be Rep or Dem, or 51-49 split that looks ‘reasonably fair’ on paper, but in practice, almost always goes to that 51.
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Ironically, if Musk goes through with making his own third party… he, the literal richest man in the world, is basically the only person that could possibly pull that off.
That is how huge of a role money plays in US politics.
Takes the richest man in the world to be even maybe potentially able to counteract all the rest of the combined lobbying money of other corporate lobbyists… and thats assuming he was able to basically shut the fuck up and let at least strategically competent people run the whole show.
Going by the probably actually legit poll Elon commissioned to be run about possible support for an Elon party, here are the numbers I ended up with:
(will update in a moment, gotta go find my old post)
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Ok, heres the full poll:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1R4pZVo0ZnrQyElZQzdNtt7CQ1zwTypuS/view
Here’s some rough, but reasonable math to extrapolate.
If you say half of the 'somewhat likely’s actually go for it, then you get this:
Republicans who join Elon Party: 34.25%
Independents who join Elon Party: 28.25%
Democrats who join Elon Party: 13.75%
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There are more Dem voters than Republicans.
But there are also more independents than either.
Roughly 32% Reps, 33% Dems, 35% Indp.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/the-partisanship-and-ideology-of-american-voters/
So, throw that in with those previous calcs, and you end up with:
Reps: ~21%
Dems: ~28.5%
Elons: ~25.5%
Indps: ~25%
or, normalized to remove remaining Indps:
Reps: 28%, Dems: 38%, Elons: 34%.
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So… theoretically, the Dems are still the largest, Elon is now second behind them, and the Reps are now a third party, less popular than having no solid political affiliation.
So if Elon actually goes through with this, I think you end up with a good number of corpo Dems leaving the Dems, so the Dems now have an easier time shifting to the left.
The Reps lose 1/3 of their voters, and basically just become a cult of idiot racist nazis, paleocons, theocrats, MAGA nutjobs.
Elon party … basically becomes the ‘centrist’/libertarian/ancap/corpo party.
We need a good middle ground candidate. One that can get support from people like Dick Cheney and George W Bush. That’ll get us the young voters.
I really am curious to see what war criminal the DNC trots out next to try and tempt us with. Kissinger didn’t work, Cheney didn’t work, who’s next? They going to have Netanyahu on stage next? Oh fuck they probably will…
Newsom’s working his way there, it seems.
Its like they are trapped in this cycle of never ciriticising those before them. Bidens ego is one of the biggest problems we had before trump took his place.
It’s worth remembering that the primary that Biden won was all just a show to sabotage Bernie Sanders and gift the nom to Biden. Worked out very well.
Yeah, apparently we owed that to Biden, or something like that.
But it’s a two party system!
With typical American extravagance.
Go on
It was a reference to a quote from Julius Nyerere:
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
Thank you!
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They can’t be serious
Shirley?
spend $20M on wealthy consultants
You mean spend $20M on ourselves?
I mean, are the people paying political consultants now not also going to be the ones getting paid in the future?
They’re like the asshat CEOs that keep pumping useless software consultants full of money.
Kickbacks
