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I’m getting reports further down, I have no idea if what anyone says is true or not. It’s borderline rule 5, but not quite there. This is a strong reminder to hate the argument, not the arguer.
How the fuck is a higher minimum wage anything but our current system?
I’m not convinced it’s not satire
They need to base politicians salaries off minimum wage. If they only earned a salary based off 4-5x the minimum wage, that shit would never be lagging as bad as it is now
this only works if they stop them from being able to hold investments in companies, and markets, they pass laws for, as well as getting rid of political donations. If we don’t do that their salary going down would only negatively affect the small number of congress members that want actual change to things.
I have a solution, make it legal to kill politicians who hold investments or take bribes. They become outlaw and anything done to them is just the consequences of their actions.
Why 4x minimum wage? How could they represent the poorest people in a country if they make quadruple the money?
If they cant live with minimum wage, its their problem to solveIt’s [supposed to be] a demanding position. Relative to the skills we should be demanding these people to have, the pay they currently get is actually not that impressive.
4 times as demanding sounds kinda funny. 254000× or whatever sounds like religious fairy tales. To the guillotines.
Wtf are you talking about? Congress’s salary is only ~178k.
Congress is the 4. Private sector is the ∞.
No one in this thread had mentioned private sector. Try to stay on topic.
It’s not the already obscenely rich accumulating more wealth to the detriment of everyone else, which is the inevitable consequence of the current system of laissez faire capitalism.
$20 is socialism and $30 is communism. I’m sure Karl Marx said something like that.
Why oh why do we peg it to a number rather than to a metric, even if it were Big Macs ffs!!!
For some reason the quotes around the word free make it seem not satirical to me.
I don’t care what you call it, I want that. Call it doodoo pickle butting, if it offers that, sign me up for everyone else too.
Thats the thing, im past the stupid naming and everything. I just want policies that help people and not billionaires. Call it marxism, stalinism, whatever the fuck you want.
It’s a pathetic attempt to rile the old people who remember the cold war propaganda against communism and socialism. While young people are like “So what?”
Yeah sadly that doesnt work here in eastern europe because communism and even social democratism(what this actually is) is associated with the ussr which was a truly horrible regime.
I’m surprised it’s not more associated with France since social democracy is what the have going on.
Eastern Europeans are some of the most gullible people on earth. Stalin never even claimed that the USSR had achieved communism, yet somehow every grandma in his “state socialist” empire thinks full communism was reached and the state withered away like Marx predicted. They believe lies he never even told.
I understand that’s the power of propaganda, but damn… It’s been 40 years and most of them never bothered to sit down and learn what a communism is. I can’t imagine being that willfully ignorant.
Stalin never even claimed that the USSR had achieved communism, yet somehow every grandma in his “state socialist” empire thinks full communism was reached and the state withered away like Marx predicted. They believe lies he never even told.
He did claim to be communist though - as in, he is ideologically driven to attempt to bring about communism. So calling the USSR “communist” is 100% correct. And naturally, what do you call life under communists? Communism! (This is wrong, but it’s an understandable switch-up).
Well, that’s where I have to disagree with Stalin’s official narrative. I don’t think he was a communist, I think he was an opportunist with no ideology beyond personal empowerment. I think he’d have said he believed in anything if it gave him more power.
Sounds a lot like trump
To elaborate on the evidence for this:
Marx said after the workers seize the state, it should become unnecessary and wither away. Stalin was the primary person in charge of overseeing this process. He should have been encouraging the development of community governance. Helping set up neighbourhood watches so he could defund the police. Granting power over workplaces to the trade unions. Encouraging the gift economy to grow to the point that the ruble could be cancelled. These were always the steps in the plan to get from the USSR to a communist system.
Stalin didn’t want to do that, because it would have made him less powerful. Instead of defunding the police, he expanded their powers. Instead of empowering the trade unions, he put down workers’ revolts. This is the opposite of communism.
can’t imagine being that willfully ignorant.
I have some trump supporting neighbors I’d like to introduce you to.
I have a 20-something son who basically grew up with MAGA shitting on everything. From his perspective ( and his friends), they don’t see anything wrong with trying out Socialism/ Marxism/ Communism. They feel like the current system of “Democratic Capitalism” has led to the rise of vicious MAGA Nazis, and weak Democratic defenders of our Nation, with the majority of Americans suffering to some degree, so why are we fighting so hard to preserve it?
When we emerge from the other side of this, don’t expect America to go back to anything resembling what it was before.
When we emerge from the other side of this, don’t expect America to go back to anything resembling what it was before.
One can only hope so. What we had before wasn’t great either and pretty much lead to how things are now.
Exactly. In a way, we agree with MAGA, it’s time for a change. They took the initiative, and turned the country in their direction, which is evil, by any definition.
The Establishment Democrats were asleep at the wheel while this played out over 40 years, despite many warnings and steady escalations. Now, we have arrived at their Promised Land, and it is as ugly as they promised, and as a student of history, I promise you it WILL get a lot uglier, likely far beyond any of our imaginations.
We can’t return to the Status Quo, because that WAS the problem. We need to create a new Paradigm, one that will not be afraid to ferociously defend Liberty from Traitors, Crooks, and worse.
Call it butt sex and then we can also claim this was the gay agenda we kept hearing about.
- Public Roads
- Police
- Fire Departments
- Social Security for retirees
This is also socialism (not communism, he’s an idiot). I hate that socialism/communism = evil got shoved down our collective throats so goddamn hard in the middle of last century that people still fucking believe it without thought. Whatever keeps the capitalist hellscape grinding us into the dirt I guess, the old guard on both sides are still happy as hell to villainize social programs paid for by fucking tax dollars, and the tubes are too ignorant to understand that when everyone benefits that includes themselves.
I had an argument with an American once over whether health care should be free or not. They’re so brainwashed into thinking that they’ll somehow be disadvantaged by a universal healthcare system even when they’re paying out their ass for private health insurance, and at the same time blaming patrons of their restaurant who don’t tip enough for their poor income while happily accepting minimum wage from their employer. It’s absolutely mental.
We Americans have that hammered into our heads every day of our lives. Along with “God loves us but doesn’t want us to have sex.” and “America is the greatest, freeest [intentional mis-spelling] country on Earth”.
Takes a while to realize all of this is bunk. Many never realize it.
It’s true, this place fucking sucks. Welcome to America where you’re free to fuck off and die, here’s your bill, and if you dare have an abortion we’ll throw your routing carcass in jail and bill the infant for it.
Welcome to America where you’re free to fuck off and die
Technically, you’re only free to die if it’s slow and painful. If you try to hurry it along they’ll imprison you for attempting suicide. :-/
/s
I know the dude is probably way more anti-Castro than I am but damn, “Tax hikes = Straight up communism”
Bro, STFU you don’t know shit about shit. YOU go try to live in NYC on $60,000 a year. Dick. Stay in Miami you fucker.
This isn’t even the same Pitbull lol
Oh, that’s not “Mr Worldwide”?
Nope
Weird. I wonder why OP thinks we give a shit if it’s just some random moron on twitter.
I think OP is just hyping up Mamdani and his policies and showing how some idiots think that things like free transit and free childcare are bad things. But tbh so many examples have already been posted, it’s not exactly news.
Mr Worldwide himself claims to be anti-communist, but I think that’s just his Cuban heritage speaking. Dude’s been funding an education program for poor kids starting in his old neighborhood that is now nationwide. While it’s not communism and it’s not even public money being spent, it’s very much in the same vein as Mamdani’s ideas: The goal is to improve equal access to necessities.
He said back in 2016 that he doesn’t support Trump’s joke of a campaign and unlike a lot of Latinos, he’s pro-immigration (the “fuck you, got mine” mentality seems to be pretty common among Latinos living in America, they don’t wanna see any immigrants despite being immigrants themselves). He’s also stated that he loves America, but wants to stay out of politics. He just wants it to be the United States, not the Divided States, according to his Howard Stern interview. I went through the painful process of scrolling back to early November 2024 in his Xitter profile and I couldn’t see a single political statement. A bunch of disgusting preachy motivational quotes about hard work leading to success, but nothing political.
Long story short, he’s got a lot of ego showing in his public persona, his music is very, eh… It’s pop music. It’s made to appeal to as many people as possible so that’s why it feels like it has little personality. But dude himself seems to be very genuine and friendly according to literally every encounter ever described on reddit. The annoying high energy persona is probably just marketing.
Why’d I go through all this trouble? Well I remember some threads bashing him on reddit and a lot of people said he’s actually very different from his media personality. Also, a lot of people wouldn’t have respected the poll results and given a concert on a remote island in Alaska.
Yeah, I feel duped into thinking this was Pitbull the musician and not some random dummy. He sounds cool from your description.
This so-called “fear mongering” isn’t directed to the broad US population, it is targeting the preexisting bias of lowest common denominator target audience of the right.
remember when pitbull was successful and talented?
neither do i
I mean, he IS objectively wildly successful and talented at accruing capital in spite of his music being lowest common denominator excrement…
No that’s usually because he’s like involved with shit people somehow
Why you gotta bring him into this lol, that’s not even him in the screenshot and by all accounts Pitbull isn’t that bad a human being. His biggest crimes being sexist lyrics followed by being born to Cuban immigrants (meaning he too hates “communism” but probably in name only)
well i still agree he’s garbage but i don’t use twitter so i saw the verified checkmark and assumed. oops. i thought they only gave that out to notable people.
Those are now paid and unregulated lol, the place is a shitshow.
Lol
All of them are fucking awesome! Sign me up!
Wow, he wants to provide people dignity and a high quality of life. How terrifying.
I find it fascinating how nowadays, basic human decency is called “woke” and “communism”.
I think this is why we’ll never have a UBI/leisure society/Star Trek style utopia. We are miserable biological apes and revel in other’s misery.
We […] revel in other’s misery.
Well, i don’t.
Fantastic. I’m hungry, when can I come over?
If you’re actually hungry I can help you find food.
Now.
Fuck that; this aggressively horrible crab bucketing is cultivated. Pretending decades of capitalist propaganda every god damn second of your waking life while you live in a fantasy wirld based on nonsense abstractions is ‘just a staye of nature’ is insane.
And yet, railing against observed reality is …???
Its where we are, and whay has been done, it is tge past we must reckon with, but it is not the default for humanity, and it was wrought by human hands.
If it can be made by us, it can be unmade by us.
Amen brother. Anyone who says “that’s just the way it is” is giving up. That’s not the way it is, that’s the way it was MADE. By powerful evil people, and we can remake it.
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Amen sibling?
Hmm, I can’t hear that in Hulk Hogan’s voice, but for you, I’ll make the exception. 😜
It’s the primary symptom of being infected with the broke mind virus, which effectively all republicans suffer.
There’s plenty of studies showing that conservatism, sadism, and psychopathy correlate.
This is one of the main reasons Republicans don’t like education. They want to dismantle it and go to a charter system. That way they can profit off education and keep people stupid.
Should bring actual communism back toexplain the difference.
You forgot “woke communism”
Up until the communism part I thought they were endorsing him.
dont you mean marxist part.
I mean, maybe they are a communist, and like the ideas and are endorsing him!
Ah, yes, famously communists love to… open grocery stores?
They actually do. They will all have the same stuff and it will have a low price.
That is basically step two after forming a council.
The stuff: empty shelves.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/cia-rdp85m00363r000601440024-5.pdf
The CIA itself said otherwise in 1983
There are a lot of good reasons to criticize socialists states like the USSR, namely the silencing of political dissent and gulags. But standard of living isn’t one of those good reasons.
And Cuba provides a good modern model:
https://cuba-solidarity.org.uk/cubasi/article/75/feeding-the-revolution
https://www.agritecture.com/blog/2019/11/28/cubas-urban-farming-shows-way-to-avoid-hunger
Lol Cuba provides a good modern model, I’d laugh if it wasn’t such a horrible regime. I guess you hate LGBT+ or you think it’s okay to do so.
But I’m just taking in the wind here, bye Stalinists and other tankies, one day you’ll get it.
Strawman
There’s a lot of good ideas in there, but rent freezes aren’t one of them. Limiting what you can charge for a service just means less people will want to provide that service.
My city already tried this and kinda failed(5% raise limit). It only pumped up the price in the end.
It only pumped up the price in the end.
How?
because if you can’t increase rent with inflation you need to start it higher to begin with.
Lol keep going, keep going! What happens when there are fewer landlords?
You either buy an apartment, or live somewhere else.
Demand shrinks, dont forget to mention that. What happens when demand shrinks?
How is demand going to shrink?
Probably by people buying apartments or moving away
If rent is frozen and it becomes unprofitable those units won’t stay empty. You’d need more than just a rent freeze but housing could become affordable again if it wasn’t treated like an investment or profit venture. Get all the corporations to hate it and prices will fly down.
As I said elsewhere, they will be sold to owner occupiers most likely.
Which is a massive problem for those not in a position to buy.
Lol yeah, no. The prices would come down rather than be held indefinitely with no hope of occupants. I admit this will effect the people with 2 properties before the massive corporations. But its better than just allowing this irrational market.
Or just do what Finland did successfully, and build some actually good public housing.
Housing is a basic human right. Perhaps the most basic. And it should afforded to everyone living in a modern society. Inserting a profit motive into that just makes everything unimaginably worse.
Less people wanting to provide the “service” of rent seeking? Could you elaborate on why that wouldnt be a good idea?
Because you’re kinda boned if you’re not in a position to just buy a property, that’s why.
I’d say that depends on the degree of boned. Maximum boned means you’re free to take a property by force.
Seems like that would lead to a lot more affordable houses becoming available to people who couldnt previously own them.
Youd end up getting more landlords anyway because the barrier of entry would be lowered for that as well.
All rent freeze does is caps profits for existing landlords, and they make enough profit as it is.
How would the barrier of entry be lowered? Are you suggesting new investors are going to buy properties they can’t turn a profit on?
Why do you think it would work like that?
If the existing investors have to sell at a loss because there’s no profit to be made, someone gets to buy them for cheaper, making it profitable again.
They’re not going to sell for less than what they can make off the property though, are they?
Then they’ll continue renting these properties at the new rates? Works too.
Why wouldn’t they be able to make a profit? The demand for housing wouldnt be any lower, they just can’t increase rent above what it was.
The barrier of entry would be lowered by greedier land lords deciding to sell rather than not being able to raise rent, so people who are slightly less greedy and willing to make only maybe a 300% profit instead of a 1000% profit would take over. Corporate landlords get flushed out to make room for smaller mom & pop owners.
Yes landlords will just take their houses overseas.
Even if you just talk about building new homes, freezing rent just caps the profits that can be pulled out of a project. If it’s profitable right now, why shouldn’t it be with same income tomorrow?
Because costs only go up, that’s why. It may not be profitable tomorrow at all.
Then lift the freeze once there’s no profit left anymore, or just keep the freeze for existing buildings. Limit the rent increase etc.
The issue here is, and this has happened before, investors will either sell the property, meaning those not in a position to buy are screwed, or they will do the bare minimum to keep the building functioning, as there is no incentive to improve the building.
They already only do the bare minimum. You practically have to take your landlord to court to get any meaningful fixes in your apartment. All new developments are built like shit, developers cut corners anywhere they can. After the building is built the developer “vanishes” so there isn’t anyone to sue when there is something seriously wrong with the building. They just open a new throw away LLC later and put up another shit building. You must not live in NYC
Sell to whom?
Owner-occupiers typically.
That sounds like it’s solving the problem, then.
The banks, of course. They’ll buy anything.
And what do they do with that investment?
Problem easily solved. Is a building not being utilized? Seize it and pay the owner fair market value, then have the city administrate it and charge just enough rent to cover expenses of maintenance and improvement and administration.
So why not skip the rent control and go straight to this?
To give the current owners the chance to do the right thing, and make a small but reasonable gain from their property.
And to make it more palatable to the general public. It’s a lot easier to convince people to go along with it if you’re seizing empty unused properties that are only empty and unused because the owner refuses to rent them if they’re not making excessive profit.
Fair market value is much, much lower 9n rent controlled property
investors will either sell the property
Good. Investors rather than inhabitants owning homes is a huge part of why rent and property prices have skyrocketed.
they will do the bare minimum to keep the building functioning
They already do that in order to maximize profits.
there is no incentive to improve the building.
Ever heard of this new thing called laws and regulations? It’s the only “incentive” that actually DOES work to correct the behavior of greedy slumlords.
Letting them keep increasing the already obscenely high rents just means more profits for them in return for no benefit for anyone else.
Then sell your property.
to whom? unless the rent can change (which it realistically shouldn’t if the law is written well) it still won’t be profitable
People make bad investments all the time.
and they have every right to complain about the government making a half decent one into a horrible one
And normal people have a right to not care about people leeching off of actual workers.
And if you’re talking about homeowners, I still don’t care. You don’t deserve imaginary free money for owning land. Its for living in, not an investment.
Go buy some stocks and stop being selfish.
Cost of what?
Yes landlords will just take their houses overseas.
You think landlords are going to move overseas so they can landlord somewhere else?
Honestly, if there actually are people like that, then good riddance. They sound like slum lords. Parasites.
And what, leave the apartments empty? Have them earn zero money, rather than some money?
As per my other replies, typically sell the property to an owner-occupier, which is a big problem if you can’t afford to buy a property.
A run of market sales would drive down the price.
And if you can’t afford to rent, then got being able to buy is not a significant difference.
public ownership with rents based on the costs of maintaining the properties properly
That is actually a far better idea than rent control, yes.
good, less landlords. Not only would freezing rent show us which people suck, but it will force the people who suck to sell their extra properties, since if they won’t use them then the property is just losing them money.
it will actually make them charge more, or find ways of making you stay temporary. they said rent freeze is coming, they can demand payment upfront
This is why they figured out in Lakota culture many years ago that it’s not safe to use sarcasm in your language. Some people might not get it and that makes them feel left out. Others may think dumb things are true so it can only make your whole culture dumber and unable to know what is true or misinformation. The entire sarcastic subtype of comedy is basically just not done, condoned, or laughed at which I think it’s pretty awesome
it’s not safe to use sarcasm
Learning this myself the hard way.
