I don’t think a doctor would respond like that would they?. Anxiety and sadness are a normal human emotions. They only become Depression and anxiety disorder when they meet specific thresholds. Everyone waters down the meaning of both terms so much that its hard to tell the severity of the issue when someone says i have anxiety.
This isn’t a structural support meme; don’t lean so hard into it.
I like your doctor.
…that doctor is lying…
…money seems to alleviate the hippocratic oath…
It kinda drive me nuts how mental health is always a check at a primary care now. Not because I don’t think it’s important. It is. And I’m glad those not in treatment are asked. But for those of us IN treatment. Fuck. After my primary arm chair therapized me for an hour contradicting what my psychologist said, I just started lying.
“your 3 month rotation in psych back in med school really paying dividends now, here in internal medicine, eh?”
OK but where I live there is no treatment, unless you’re rich
You must be in the US! Isn’t it great?!
Freedumb!!!
Name checks out
doctors are so far up their own asses on stuff like this it blows me away. And then they wonder why people aren’t open with them
Ok, so let’s say someone is clinically depressed and says “oh everyone is depressed” and the doctor shrugs, says “sure” and moves on. That’s not good.
Saying “no” may seem tone deaf, but it’s the way to keep the conversation open to get the person to share a bit more nuance than “everything sucks for everyone”. Sure chances are that it’s nothing, but they want to at least try to get out nuance.
I can assure you maybe 1% of doctors actually care about your mental health. The rest are only asking because they have to write something down on some electronic form.
If someone isn’t worried about the state of things, they’re mentally disconnected from the world around them, and/or have wealth to not worry about it.
If you don’t have feelings of depression or anxiety you’re not paying attention.
Existence itself is already pure horror.
I mean sounds like a good deal
or a sociopath
All of the above.
Or you’re super well off and also don’t give a shift about everyone else
Well off people have this too, it’s just that they have the resources to deal with it more appropriately. Let’s not dehumanize people and instead focus on the real issue, which is available care and treatment for everyone who needs it
Or living a bubble (that hasn’t burst yet)
…stop, just stop, wait for it and just stop…
no depression or anxiety? in this day and age? how
You know the saying: ignorance is bliss. There’s a lot of perfectly content people out there, barely more conscious than a house plant.
Ever heard the phrase "Worrying is like sitting in a rocking chair; it gives you something to do but gets you nowhere.”?
Yea I often lament moments when I feel depressed and anxious but I think without that I wouldn’t also be able to experience the beautiful emotions I feel when I listen to music or watch a truly great movie.
I don’t get anxiety. The fuck you’re scared of? You just wake up and be scared? Of what?
I just don’t get it.
I get it that you’re scared when driving a car, because everyone sucks at driving except me.
But how could one be anxious all the time? Could one please explain like I‘m mentally handicapped?
It’s a low level scared. Like being a sentry in watch through the night. You’re used to it. It’s not like the alarms are blaring and you don’t know where the problem is, but there is always that nagging feeling that something is going to happen to break the safety any second.
You go to work. The boss makes sure you feel like you are barely scraping by on your performance. You are coming in early to make sure you clock in at the exact second requested. God forbid a traffic jam causes you to be a minute late. You give your best all day at work and go home a zombie at night, but hey you kept your job and health insurance another day. Sure hope the car doesn’t break. You can’t afford a repair bill right now. Speaking of bills, you just heard that your rent will be increasing in a few months. It’s basically extortion at this point, but you can’t afford anywhere else either. Where will you get extra money in a few months? Oh well. That’s a problem for a few months from now. Maybe you can be an Uber driver or something. Well, not with your worn down car. Maybe instacart deliveries.
It’s basically like that. Everyone is on the edge wondering what mild breeze will be the one that pushes them over.
there is always that nagging feeling that something is going to happen to break the safety any second.
This is what is alien to me. My parents live like that as well and my take is just “I’ve lived through so many shitty things I wasn’t prepared for” I live carefree (could be naive or dumb) but I do have backup plans going as deep as having written guides on how to hunt and prepare game with household items.
And that job situation… I never gave it my all to begin with. I have so many hobbies of which only one is expensive which I look forward to after work that I just don’t want to give it my all and never did.
You can’t change if something happens, when it happens or how it happens, and I don’t know how anyone could waste time on something they can’t change.
Are you joking around or do you want a serious answer?
Actually yes. This might be classified as a boomer mindset or something like that. But how can anyone be scared all the time? I get depression, but anxiety? Alien.
Imagine any time you’ve felt a worry or fear of something, but imagine it’s being said by another person. They will not shut up. You have to listen to them. You know they’re wrong, logically, but they’re very convincing and keep going on. I mean, they’re not wrong. While unlikely, the car next to you COULD suddenly swerve and hit you. It’s not impossible. They’re getting louder. They will not shut up. They get louder again. They will still not shut up. They drown out every sound. You can’t hear anything else but how this terrible bad thing is going to happen.
If you don’t then you’re either not paying attention or something is wrong with you. The correct response to the state of the world is depression and anxiety
The correct response is anger. Depression and anxiety are the socially acceptable responses left when we’re conditioned to avoid anger at every turn.
One of the more depressing bits or research related to this. When estimating, “normal” people are excessively optimistic (aka rose tinted glasses). Depressed people were a lot more accurate in their estimates.
It turns out we need those blinkers to not tear ourselves to pieces over the state of things.
The assholes and monsters in power depends on those blinders to get away with their shit. The fact that the Orange Jackass got elected again is all the proof you need of that.
something is wrong with you.
Well yeah it’s pretty obvious in this case. “Doctors” are generally rich and extremely privileged. They’re outside the cares of regular servants.
Eh… It kind of depends on if they paid for medical school or their parents paid for medical school.
Most doctors don’t really start making a decent living until they’re in their mid 30s, and most of that goes to paying back loans. Medicine does not pay what it used to, and residencies are still basically a form of slavery.
I agree the work culture in residencies needs to change. I still find it hard to sympathize with the med school debt. Like many homeowners were paying off their debt for quite a while and came out way ahead. I expect the same of doctors.
Not saying they don’t work very hard and are very stressed, but they are wealthy when you define wealth over the course of life (and their ability to spread that wealth across time with credit).
still find it hard to sympathize with the med school debt. Like many homeowners were paying off their debt for quite a while and came out way ahead.
It’s yet to play out really. The drastic change in rate of reward vs debt is relatively new, and the debt to pay ratio is getting worse and worse, at least outside of specialties. There are older physicians who are still practicing that are making bank, but that doesn’t really guarantee the younger physicians are going to be in the same place when they get that age.
The management and finance sectors of healthcare are now taking the lion’s share of profit, and less and less physicians are owning their own practices.
I’m not saying they aren’t going to be financially comfortable, but it wouldn’t surprise me if most newer physicians end up just being upper middle class instead of “rich or wealthy”.
That’s fair, I hadn’t really adjusted for the recent COL problems. But I’m also thinking of specialities over family physicians, which seem to have already been screwed even years ago.
Yeah, it’s getting hard to find people willing to stay in family medicine. Specialists just end up earning so much more that it’s almost financially irresponsible to not do a fellowship if you can.
I will say that one of the good things about medicine no longer being super lucrative is that it’s no longer really attractive to people who are interested in the field just for the money. It’s a lot easier and more profitable to just get an MBA, or go into finance if you just want to make money.
Though that fact has created some of the worst people in the world imo… There’s a subset of physicians who end up deciding they hate patient care and end up going back to school for their MBA to become hospital administrators.
I don’t fall for black pill propaganda.
What does that even mean?
https://incels.wiki/w/Blackpill
basically “there’s no hope and I’m not willing to work on change, so we should just all kill ourselves already”
I don’t think that’s what I said though. Pretty big leap to make. idk
I don’t necessarily view it as you saying people should kill themselves. Maybe black pill isn’t as generic of a term as I thought it was and people only heavily associate with incel stuff.
The correct response to the state of the world is depression and anxiety
To me this just reeks of the “there is no hope” type of rhetoric. Things are awful, I’m not saying they’re super cool, and I don’t have false impressions of things getting better soon, but giving up is what they want.
Could be others are better at dealing with stuff
Dont break their illusion.
Being depressed and being anxious are not the same thing as the medical conditions known colloquially as “depression” and “anxiety”.
Equivocating the two is part of the reason mental health treatment is stigmatized, and is what causes dangerously-dismissive statements like “he can’t have depression, he has a good life”.
This is true, though most people asked that in a casual doctor’s appointment aren’t actually equipped to delve into that nuance.
Of course, that “no” is the way to extend the conversation to dig a bit deeper. The last thing someone suffering with the conditions needs is for someone to optimistically assume “normal” and brush a potential sign of trouble under the rug as ‘normal’. Maybe after a bit more digging it’s clear it’s just reasonable sadness or nervousness versus something deeper, like a seeming inability to feel pleasure or happiness.
Because they can afford the good drugs. 🤌🏼
rude.
2021, still mid covid
US citizen. Stand-up Commendiene in LA.
The elections were spinning up.
Meanwhile her doctor has a completely stable job making enough money to live comfortably with little worry about their livelihood which was right at that moment, worst case, too in-demand.
A doctor sees a lot of patients each day, so she can have a pretty clear picture about the mental health in the population. This statement isn’t necessarily about the doctor herself.
