What’s the problem? The rich have private planes.
This is because public transportation is socialism and we can’t have tax dollars going to that pretext for communism. Capitalism is far superior which is why we are instead spending over $150 billion on deporting immigrants, which will help promote a free and open capitalist market.
as much as I’d like to call this a win for socialism, I don’t think socialism is actually necessary for good transit. Japan is very capitalist and has private rail networks which are comparable in quality and extent to China’s.
the “Socialism” is in quotes as were aren’t really talking about actual socialism. Its now a boogeyman dogwhistle used by rich people to steal public property and convert it into private capital.
Oh trains! Now do pollution, or infrastructure, or empty cities…
A year ago I would have said Concentration Camps, but we both have those now.
You should try to find better criticism.
China has an ambitious urbanization plan, so they’re building the cities before there are people actually living there to get ahead of demand. It’s not like China has a shortage of people to live in these cities and they have central planning, they can just move production into these developments and people will move there for work. In fact, it’s happening right now. They don’t just build empty cities that just sit empty forever.
It’s true that China’s co2 per capita has gone up sharply, however it’s still about 30% lower than the yanks. China is also dwarfing other countries with the amounts of renewable energy currently under construction https://globalenergymonitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/solar_wind_in_construction_treemap_for_online-1.png
actually China’s CO2 hasn’t gone up in the past 12 months: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-clean-energy-just-put-chinas-co2-emissions-into-reverse-for-first-time/
it’s likely that china has reached its CO2 emission peak, and now they’re beginning to fall.
This is a good point, however the me meme is comparing to 1996. I think there’s some way to go until it drops back that far.
America has had a concentration camp since 2001
A year ago I would have said Concentration Camps, but we both have those now.
Jesus Christ. American liberals are champions at historical revisionism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underoccupied_developments_in_China
empty cities
Not so empty anymore, and calling them empty was bullshit.
Turns out when you decide to build a new city, of course it would be empty at first, then people will eventually move in. But we can’t do that because we need to preserve the artificial scarcity of housing so they can be used as an investment.
And now wait for five years and see if the Chinese one is still there.
It’s been 16 years and counting.
This one is from 2024 Let that sink in Home not alone, just unfinished
One swallow does not make it summer. Shall we continue this path to see which one runs out first of resources?
Sorry, what do developers abandoning large housing projects have to do with longevity of train infrastructure?
Americans: “Nice infrastructure. Would be a shame if we had to come over there and liberate it.”
I am as American as Pancetta. It is just the glorification of China that is rubbing me the wrong way.
Their buildings are collapsing. Yes, it is built fast, cheap and looks nice. And then it fails.
And the Chinese peope themselves. They suffer.
when you’re used to propaganda that says china is awful, seeing people say “china is pretty okay actually” looks like glorification.
No one is saying china is amazing, they’re saying china is not actively stabbing themselves in the stomach. China is doing the blitheringly obvious things a country like that should be doing, things that most other countries can’t be arsed to do because the people in power benefit from the status quo of things being shit.
They’re not perfect, things go over budget and things get built shittily by bad companies, just like what happens in every other country on earth.
the glorification of China
The Chinese government has definitely run ahead of the pack on domestic investment. But you could play the same game with Spain or Japan or Turkiye. The numbers simply would not have been as impressive.
Their buildings are collapsing.
This is a meme from 2008. You won’t find any more crumbling buildings in China than you’d find in the UK or Korea.
And the Chinese peope themselves. They suffer.
They’ll never know the joys of bumper to bumper traffic
Explain the sinking just finished metro. The ghost towns. The buildings collapsing. The bridges decaying because of concrete rot. There are so many current projects going bad because of the use of bad materials and dodgy practices. Skipping a geo research before building etc.
The Chinese are surpressed by the CCP. More than 90% of the drinking water is not fit for consumption. Aside from the AI cleaned up videos and pictures, there isn’t much of a clear sky with the smog.
And where are the birds?
… Also have you seen China. They too have traffic jams.
No country is a wonderland. And if someone is really really really trying to convince me they are that magnificent, and better than everyone else. I. Do. Not. Trust. Them.
Actions say more than words. And the actions have spoken.
Source: it came to me in a dream.
Source. Straight out of mainland China. Not all does get stopped by the Firewall.
So still no source
It seems pretty improbable to me that this infrastructure will be replaced in China in just five years.
Didn’t mean replaced. I meant collapse. Rotted away. Tofu dreg.
Well I don’t really have any reason to doubt the quality of the rail system. It’s one thing to go over-budget on transit (which they apparently did); it’s quite another to go over-budget and build the whole system to a poor standard where it won’t even last.
I hope that you are right but I doubt it.
US Train travel has actually gotten worse since 1996.
Came to say this. If it had literally remained unchanged they’d still be doing pretty good.
Yeah, the only reason we still have tracks most places is for freight.
Weird to compare a brutal dictatorship which violates human rights on the regular vs a democracy which violates human rights a little less.
a brutal dictatorship which violates human rights on the regular
Don’t you think you’re a little harsh on the US?
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Is this some sort of US problem that I’m too not-US to understand?
Public transportation in USA sucks, and people from USA often use we on social media platforms, assuming they are the majority :P
It’s because US companies dominate the internet, plus English is the de facto language of discussion. I’m not sure how to deal with this since we probably are the majority.
You’re third, after China and India. Now tell me how those don’t count ;)
Your moral and intellectual superior was not talking about literal population, but that wasn’t the point. I was saying that US citizens most likely predominate US sites that are written in US English.
That was number of online users, not total population. And 50% of internet companies are Chinese, only 6% are American. I’m sure you’ll twist that fact to suit you too :)
Number of online users has nothing to do with what your superior was talking about. This is like saying most of the world speaks mandarin or something. Maybe you should learn how to think before being an obnoxious prick to your masters.
They don’t speak English, so they’re just not present in these forums. Way to needlessly start ab argument tho
India has a billion english speakers. But they do tend to their own sites/fb
Hyperloop any day now!
Yabbut somebody think of the car companies!!!
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While continuing to produce the worst cars imaginable
yeah, anti public transit has several motivations, the most American is racism. if we have robust public transit, they can’t be “whites only” and you can’t force the not-whites to sit in the back. so right there. Then you have white land owning hegemony. Why do the busses only go downtown and not to the shopping center half way to the suburbs? because they don’t want the filthy poors mucking up their white fort, if you let busses go up to the suburbs then THEY can get there and do all the things they get blamed for!! Lastly, profit motive. mass transit means people can choose to have a car or not. the powers that be are making a lot of money off cars and mass transit will upset the apple cart.
You know, I’ve been thinking about this a lot. And your comment reminds me of it. The aesthetics of evil. Racist segregation is an obvious evil. So if you tell black people to stand at the back of the bus because they’re not allowed to mix with the whites, that’s rather obvious and a horrific picture to have. But, if you handicap them, make sure they can only live in the cheapest communities and then limit the mobility of them. Same result. But because you didn’t see it, and the enforced segregation is rather subtle… Well, looks better, doesn’t it? So people are more likely to accept it. And if you say things like “The city has marked this black community unfit for investment.” then it sounds already like a conspiracy theory. Making you the weirdo for speaking out. Horrid, but an elegant and efficient system for censorship, isn’t it?
And to be absolutely clear: I reject racial segregation and censorship, obviously.
i think it’s not only racism though. surely, there’s also a lot of kicking-downwards on the poor. the poor shouldn’t get a nice life, so they’re motivated to work harder and be successful, so since public transport helps everyone, including the poors, we don’t want that.
(not my words, just a common sentiment i’ve heard)
Yes, but.
It’s China. I guarantee you that loads of people got fucked over one way or the other for this improvement. The Chinese government usually doesn’t care much for the rights and lives of the individuals
You say that, but medical debt? Homelessness? Ice concentration camps for brown people? Highest incarceration rates, social credit (credit score), pedophile leaders…
Europeans, feel free to complain about China. Americans have no right to complain about China.
Not to be a tankie, but China taking over the US government would be an improvement
I AM European.
Having said that, the US is a shit show and the Empire pretty much needs to be rebuilt from scrap at this point but it’s still better than China.
If you disagree I would suggest you go to China and start posting lots of tiananmen square videos from the 90’s and then tell me which place is better.
yhea, that’s not nearly as bad as paying taxes to a pedophile to finance a death camp for brown people.
Please think about that when you’re in a nice Chinese re-education camp
You just gotta love people like you who can’t fathom simple ideas like “both are really really bad”
Hate to say it, but unironically, they would be better off under communist China.
The bar is so fucking low.
Plenty of people got fucked over for America’s interstate system. You just don’t care about them because they’re poor minorities
One of the reasons it was built was to demolish black neighborhoods.
And the West does? Hmm, you learn something new every day.
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Or the US rail system that used exploited labor to build it out.
Yeah, never mind. You know what I mean, of course, but you got your head so far up Pooh’s ass that you can taste his lunch
I don’t care for the US, let it fucking burn, it deserves to die fast at this point. However, at least you can still have some open expression there (for as long as that is lasting under the Cheeto)
But the likes of you pretending that China has it all covered and is doing great and totally doesn’t fuck entire populations over are just the worst.
I’m guessing correctky that you’re of the types that think that tiananmen square was just a big happy dance party?
At least I recognize both empires for the evil shit they are
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Are you suggesting that’s why the US hasn’t improved trains? Is there something about train improvements specifically that you think is harmful?
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Wut
You read that and were like “who cares about human lives and rights, why doesn’t he want trains?”
Yeah, love trains, and as far as I’m concerned the US can replace all its highways with trains
But not at the expense of a couple of humans per kilometers because the government doesn’t give a shit, or worse, you’re an Uyghur
Now do aircraft carriers!
Setting that cash on fire would be more practical use of tax payer money
Aircraft carriers don’t let me travel to my destinations
Your fault that you weren’t born as an aircraft!
America: if ain’t broke don’t fix it Every other country: yah it’s time, what are our new requirements?
Then there’s “if it ain’t broke… how can we break it to extract a few extra bucks from it?”
And then turn a blind eye to all the broken stuff because “we have been living with it so it’s not broken”
I mean this is sorta one of the things an autocracy does well. You might get substandard work and a lot of graft but when the order comes down no one gets to complain when they run a train line through your house.
actually, they do get to complain
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/gallery/chinas-extraordinary-nail-houses-show-5727566
i mean from what i read there is only one country with more ppl die in traffic which is india https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Länder_nach_Verkehrstoten but good they have a few trains for 1 billion ppl. sure thats going to help. LOL.
Congratulations, you figured out that China is a large country! It would be ridiculous to think that a country with 1.4 billion people would have less people dieing in traffic than a country with a smaller population.
If you just go by absolute numbers, a large country will have more of absolutely everything than a small country.
Now go back to your link and sort by “Je 100.000 Einwohner” and see how that changes the list.
But you understand that “je Einwohner” means shit with that density of cars? cant have a car crash when you ride a donkey. per car would make much more sense but that’s the least the regime would care about which is why say 50k ppl died. i guess from how much their culture sucks it is 500k per year. :-)
If only that metric was included in the link above. Well, luckily it is. And guess what: When sorting by “je 100 000 motorisierte Fahrzeuge” (“per 100 000 motorized vehicles”), China ranks even much better.
Sorting by per inhabitants puts China as the 68th worst country, so 67 countries are worse. Sorting by per motorized vehicels puts China as 115th worst, so 114 countries are worse.
When looking at “per motorized vehicles” China is on par with Lettland.
If only there was a way to follow the link and look at actual numbers before spouting made-up misinformation.
this misinformation you are talking about it what i am talking about! yeah. finally. ofcourse the numbers are MUCH higher. coercion or killing of others is legit for motorists and the governments that need the industry.
i am sure china is always and will always be among the worst of the worst. one of the oldest countries and still tourture,regime government and imbecile citizens.
You really have trouble understanding numbers, right?
LOL.
If it was only about competence, I think throwing dice might yield better results than what many politicians are doing.
that you and nUmbErS? that is called being disconnected with the world. maybe 4chan convinced you to love pervy chinese regime but “AFK” is where those cars actually drive. should check it out some time.
You are what appens if someone is too dumb to understand anything but extremes. Being able to understand nuance requires at least the mental level of a 10yo.
It is an quite extraordinary feat to be so dumb that you think a country has to be either terrible at everything or great at everything and anyone who says a country is not terrible at everything must be totally in love with everything that happens in that country.
Literally kindergarden level of argumentation.
Hey now, that’s a misrepresentation of both the US and China.
China had way nicer locomotives in 96. It wasn’t 1896.
And in the US, that guy would have either been replaced by a machine, or replaced by someone younger who won’t be expecting the seniority and pay raises that being there for over 20 years usually gets you.
Replaced by machines that can’t transport humans or even freight for that matter
now I want to watch an entire playlist of Adam Something videos about dumbass tech bros trying to invent the train over and over again
