This got drag thinking about North Korea. They’re probably like Americans when it comes to knowing what their country does.
Even as an American I don’t understand why tourism hasn’t dropped more than it has. I know it’s down but I’m amazed people are still coming at all.
But, it’s true that the mainstream media isn’t really reporting on this, Trump’s ‘flood the zone’ strategy works exceedingly well.
I don’t understand why tourism hasn’t dropped more than it has. I
Probably because something so big as a voyage to the US is often planned for years before which may make it too difficult or expensive to cancel. A year from now, things might look a lot different.
I know a Belgian guy working in DC, he says people are bracing for the start of the school year, the expectation being that many will have made plans to leave over the summer when it’s most convenient.
As a Canadian, I went to LA this summer because tickets were cheap and trade wars weren’t begun when I bought them. But the cost of life over there is so expensive it trumps any savings on the tickets.
Not going back until you guys fix this.
Going to US for tourism purpose is often very expensive for a lot of people, even european need to fly quite far away to reach there, so more often than not people would gamble on the chance of getting in without issue instead of cancel the plan. If they’re white then it’s likely less issue.
You say that, but I’ve seen my fair share of news articles about chalky Brits being sent back home; usually for stuff like offensive content found on their phones (the one that comes to mind, was someone being rejected entry because he had the fat Vance meme saved in his images automatically by a WhatsApp chat).
I suppose Americans wouldn’t even be aware that foreigners are liable to these checks prior to entry, or that governments like Germany and the UK have put up travel advisories warning against visiting. Crazy to think about given it’s such common knowledge the world over… Some NK level of public deception.
That guy was Norwegian, and Homeland Security said he was detained and sent home because he admitted to drug use on his entry forms, not because of any memes.
Ah you’re right, he wasn’t British; he was Norwegian, so even more likely to be white. Is it accents rather than skin colour that set the racism off?
The claims that this didn’t happen, is simply the accused saying “actually no”. It’s their word against his, no evidence has been provided to prove that what the DHS say is accurate (the current regime still won’t release the Epstein files, so I doubt they’d release any evidence about something so trivial in comparison) and quite frankly, the maga regime hasn’t been honest about a single thing thus far, so why would they start now?
The supposed admission you refer to is due to them finding a picture of a wooden pipe in his photos on his phone, not because he admitted to drug use on a form. Which makes the whole “white tourists are getting deported for the content of their phones” still ring true.
I’m amazed people are still coming at all.
expats
Americans are dumbasses.
Source: I live in the USA
The people that don’t know consume right-wing media exclusively or just don’t watch the news in general. It’s the reason we are in this situation.
I get all my news from Facebook
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To be fair, it would be difficult to be on Lemmy and not be aware of this stuff, it’s the vast majority of people who have no exposure to this kind of stuff that are the problem.
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I can’t tell if you’re joking. Assuming not, that’s great, Lemmy working as intended
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I literally read just about every single thing posted to Lemmy, at least anything Midwest.Social is federated with, and I havent seen a single link posted about foreign tourists being detained since those two German girls got detained in Hawai’i for no reason several months ago
This is basically common knowledge. It’s in dozens of mainstream international media outlets and has been all over social media.
My guess is that you consume a narrow selection of news media. So, think broader!
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I am a US citizen living abroad. Even I’m afraid to go back home to see my family.
My father in law passed away back in the states and my wife was told not to come back because it’s not safe. Normality has fully ended.
Similar situation. I crossed the border last week with no issue. A work colleague got stopped and spent hours being questioned (also a US citizen). No idea what the odds are, nor what the flags are.
Weirdly, this is not always the case.
We are past racism, and fully towards totalitarianism.
I didn’t even cross the border. I just got within 30 miles of it as part of a job and hit a security checkpoint.
I’m old enough to remember the iron curtain. That’s exactly what it was like. If you lived or stayed close to the border, you knew to expect being stopped and checked.
I guess that’s what they meant by “great again”.
People who watch fox news don’t know anything. Those of us who read the news from various sources are aware of what’s happening. Sadly, we’re a very small minority. What’s happening here is scary as hell, especially when you see so many people just acting like everything is normal, either because they actually think that or they just don’t know what else to do. I hope democracy will survive this, but the architects of its demise have been largely unimpeded so far. If I wasn’t American, there’s no fucking way I would come here with the fulvous fascist in power. Fuck trump. Fuck fascism.
Or get labelled as “dangerous criminals”, because of the quota of ICE.
I grew up learning that the communist secret police was bad, because they had to fill out quotas of arrests for crimes, so they just tortured people until they confessed. Often they were executed. Even one of my great-grandfather was sent to a gulag after he was at the wrong place during the 1956 revolution of Hungary, while the other was almost arrested for not wanting to shoot protestors with a machine gun.
No it gets reported and we think it sucks.
I voted against all this bullshit. It didn’t help.
We do not specifically hate the US. We fear for our safety and our families with MAGA, Trump, ICE and sadly now, the people we’re supposed to go to for help, the police. .I’ve been visiting the US every 3-4 years since 1994 when ‘fly drive’ holidays were affordable for people aged 21. Havent been since Trump was rising in popularity for election and we were having a chat about it in a restaurant in Orlando. We had not realised just how quickly strangers could get hostile so quickly. Currently, my social media and messages would likely be sufficient to have me disappeared. I am maybe typically of Europeans for my open view of Trump.
I know it’s a total trope, but it isn’t all Americans. Plenty of us are horrified by what’s happening too…
Literally just had to explain to my wife that her friends may be OK visiting as they are white but that it’s not a great idea to be travelling to the US.
Regrettably I feel it’s the minority in alot of countries that have these moral sensibilities
AFAIK it’s not a skin color thing. Everyone may get asked to unlock their phones and provide access to their social media. If they don’t like what they see, you get seperated from your children, have to go back or are deported to El Salvador.
You are correct that its not entirely a skin color thing, that all that stuff can and does hapoen to anyone, of any nationality/appearance…
But at the same time, you are way, way more likely to have a really fucking bad outcome the further your skin tone is away from eggshell off white.
I see stories of southern Italians / Siicillians getting held for weeks, Canadians of Hispanic heritage getting sent to some kind of internment camp… but, white/euro descent Canadians with some minor misdemeanors in the US 10 years ago getting basically just turned away at the border, then eventually they get some kind of visa/residence permit re enabled after some paperwork bs.
Skin color is absolutely a good general indicator of how bad your outcome is likely to be.
The … particularly infuriating thing, to me at least, is… these Nazi ICE fucks can’t tell the difference between an indigenous, native American, and a hispanic person, all they see is brown skin, and I am also seeing reports of people of that kind of descent being lumped into roundups and raids.
They’ve literally been here for thousands, tens, hundreds of thousands of years, but nope, America still hates the fuck out of the Sioux, Choctaw, Commanche, etc etc.
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Well, give it a bit more time and the US dollar will be quite cheap compared to your local currency.
seems like the people coming here have booked thier vacation/spots in advanced, on non-refundable trips. after DECember we are going to see the touristy spots are going to be devestated. LVegas is already seeing the effects, although they have been dying for a couple years already.
We’re very welcoming to sexual predators. Seems like the US is the Mecca for pedophiles and child traffickers lately.
… which is very odd to watch from an european perspective because the US used to be the epicenter of the moral panic of the 20th century
birthplace of panic, gay panic, satanic panic, now transpanic, and immigrant panic. plus also the birthplace of nazi ideas based on american segregation methods and internment.
This is how state Russian media works. Never cover the truth, like a war with Ukraine. It’s a “special military operation”.
American’s will never fail to blame foreigners for all their problems. It’s zero surprise America is in this state when both sides of it’s political system are xenophobic nationalists who believe in the modern version of the Judeo-Bolshivik conspiracy theory.
Ok but what does US gov have to gain from just detaining random foreign civilians? I am geniuenly confused why this is happening.
Fascists want complete control, and it sends a message not to come here. They only want ‘their kind’, meaning white racist conservatives. Detaining is a power play. Just a reminder, this is the trump government, not the citizens. The majority of people are welcoming, only about 25% of Americans are complete and utter trash.
There hasn’t been a US government in my life time that wasn’t unspeakably racist and evil, so it’s kind of hard to believe the majority are welcoming.
You say “only” but one in every four is a pretty significant amount of people who support jailing you just for being brown
Yeah, that’s a quarter of the population my dude. That’s not a good look. Why would anyone want to go to a place where 1 in every 4 people hate you?
What has been particularly telling for me as an Aussie is the sheer number of radio ads I’ve heard in the past few months trying to get people to travel to the US, or offering competitions where the prize is a US holiday (which, if I was the type to actually phone and enter radio station competitions, would be a deterrant for me!). It’s clear that US tourism has taken a nose-dive and plenty of us non-Americans don’t want to visit any more (it’s a bit disappointing as there are a few things I would like to have seen, but wouldn’t risk going there now).
Here’s an idea: enter those competitions, win the prize, and then request to turn it into cash. It is win-win: ICE loses potential bounties, and Australians get money.
Funny how many “Going to Canada/USA is easy” type of ads I have seen. No, I don’t see why I need to go to Canada either. Travel is a huge pain in the ass even without interment camps.
Going is easy. It’s getting to come back that’s the problem.
canada has internment camps too?
Well, their treatment of natives is pretty horrendous still, but that’s no different than Australia and NZ.
Have you been to Canada?
Yes. Are you seriously trying to downplay the mistreatment of natives in any of these places?
I’m unfamiliar with Australia and NZ, but fully agree that historically Canada has engaged in a massive genocide. But in the context of the thread about American interment camps I think it’s a bit disingenuous. While far from perfect, Canada has done a lot in the truth and reconciliation department.
Most of the mistreatment these days stems from resource development projects infringing on unceded territories.
I live in an indigenous community, and have lived in many others throughout my life. I have noticed a massive improvement in my elder millennial life.
While I think some systemic racism still exists towards indigenous folks, I can’t think of anywhere I’ve been with more racial awareness. I certainly noticed much more racist behavior while traveling in Europe recently.
But in the context of the thread about American interment camps I think it’s a bit disingenuous.
Agreed, I didn’t mean to imply that but my wording could have been better.
I have to put up with the shitty KIIS (106.5) repetitive trash at work all day. Hearing Gordie hammer on about going to LA just drives me nuts.
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Ouch! I am glad I generally get to choose when the radio is on or not (most of the time it’s when I have to run an errand and so have it on in the car and can pick which channel to listen to).
Headphones and cranking my jams/podcast to eleven.
Maybe also, occasionally accidentally unplug/knock over whatever is broadcasting that trash.
