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    “All right, I’ve been thinking, when life gives you lemons, don’t make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don’t want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life’s manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I’m the man whose gonna burn your house down - with the lemons!”

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      What even is “natural”? Aren’t humans part of nature? If a wolf kills all white rabbits and rabbits become black thats natural selection, but if a human chooses which animals/plants get to reproduce it isn’t? I say its still natural, as is climate change and any other thing human made. (Which doesn’t mean it is good and we should continue doing it)

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      It’s not even selection, though.

      We grafted those citruses into existence.

      They’re delicious Frankenstein style abominations unto nature.

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      It is different if it is a passive or active process though. The initial question is, in how far lemons benefit from this evolved trait. The benefits might be very different between passive or active evolution here. If it were passive, lemon plants might benefit by avoiding some disadvantageous animal species feeding on them. As it is active though, the benefit is that they are grown more by humans. The feedback loop between evolution and trait selection is very different if it is active or passive I’d say.

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    My understanding is lemons are a hybrid that arose without human intervention. Their persistence is because of humans intervention.

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      We’re all so fucking sick of our lemons! Yeah they got so sour, please take them away. No it ain’t too much to be wishing for better, cause I’d sooner dry right up than make lemonade from this.

      Source: Lemonade - Fox Stevenson

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    In a more general way, other creatures don’t experience taste the same way we do.

    Bird poop is really nutritious to seeds. It makes sense for those plants to be eaten by birds (with the seed passing through the digestive tract untouched), but avoid other creatures.

    Enter capcasin. Mammals find it intolerable (except for one subset of a goofy bipedal species), but birds love that shit.

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      Also birds fly, meaning they tend to disperse the seeds further

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      Enter capcasin. Mammals find it intolerable (except for one subset of a goofy bipedal species), but birds love that shit.

      I know someone with a dog that loves jalapenos. So its not just us.

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        A friend of mine has a dog who likes to chew on large landscaping rocks. The vet said to put hot sauce on the ones in the yard. Dog was like “OMG, you SEASONED them for ME???” cromch cromch cromch

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      Tree Shrews also seem to enjoy it. Though they have a genetic mutation that makes them less sensitive to capcasin.